Zeref vs Lucifero

zeref has the fairy heart

win by any means

fight takes place at an empty field

aizen vs lucifero

madara vs lucifero

ichigo vs lucifero

naruto vs lucifero

sasuke vs lucifero

now this, lol so many lucifero threads

Mismatch. Zeref walks over the verse.

Timestop + death magic = solo.

@pr03 said:

lucifero is the most popular character on the vine rn lol

@limitbreaker1 said:

indeed

this is the 7th thread with him

Zeref is too haxxed tbh

Zeref stomps

TS GG

@vex_haid: Lol,Black Clover farming L's

Lucifero has no way to put Zeref down while the latter has various means to win, despite the speed gap

Lol at him soloing the verse, he gets BFR'D, also can't he just knock him out for him to get rid fairy heart like natsu did, also zeref also has no way of killing him or any devil for that matter so I don't see how he will solo the verse.

So I'm just gonna give it to lucifero for that reason

Well Zeref stops time, rendering everyone immobile. Even if gets BFR'ed somewhere, he can still come back.

Zeref doesn't even need fairy heart to win, he solos without it

Like devils have any way of killing him either. And Zeref's death magic is arcane stage, almost every magic Zeref showed is arcane stage.

bfr against zeref...

@pr03:

"Well Zeref stops time, rendering everyone immobile. Even if gets BFR'ed somewhere, he can still come back."

Coming back from a different dimensions?

"Zeref doesn't even need fairy heart to win, he solos without it"

That's not even true, lucifero has higher AP, faster and could just repeatedly keep killing until he gets bored of him

"Like devils have any way of killing him either. And Zeref's death magic is arcane stage, almost every magic Zeref showed is arcane stage."

How is his magic arcane stage I don't Remember that anywhere

The guy is small Countrylevel while FH Zeref scales to Etherion hence Continentlevel

Assuming you are talking about Dorothy, he can kill her timestop + death magic inside her dimension and goes out.

And besides Dorothy, there isn't any dimensional BFR.

Yami's abilities is useless here, even if his dimensional slash ignores durability, Zeref can regenerate infinitely.

You haven't answered this? What they can do in time-stop?

Lucifero has higher AP than Zeref's death magic, which even kills immortals? Didn't see it coming. Keeps killing, until Zeref finally stops time. He has time-stop feats even before fairy heart possession.

Magic that defies standard convention is arcane stage.

When even someone like Grey can be arcane stage via mere transformation magic or Secre with sealing magic or witch queen with blood magic,then why can't Zeref be arcane stage when he got "death magic, the magic to kill immortals themselves" be arcane stage?

Even Yami is arcane stage, why? Because dark magic is arcane stage. Zeref is a master in black arts.

He just spams death magic, and its enough to solo. No even need for timestop.

@pr03:

"Assuming you are talking about Dorothy, he can kill her timestop + death magic inside her dimension and goes out.

And besides Dorothy, there isn't any dimensional BFR.

Yami's abilities is useless here, even if his dimensional slash ignores durability, Zeref can regenerate infinitely."

Not really she could just summon a bunch of julius's and yami's

Zenon can also BFR via subspace

Well at that point he would have lost Fairy heart because as I said before and it down both manga and anime all you need to do is either knock him out or simply kill him to lose his Fairy heart so it wouldn't really matter if he was immortal his death magic is slow because even Elfman could outrun it so it's not even impressive

Also regenerates slowly so it's instant or as fast as dante of something

"You haven't answered this? What they can do in time-stop?"

They blitzes and he loses Fairy heart

"Magic that defies standard convention is arcane stage."

True

"When even someone like Grey can be arcane stage via mere transformation magic or Secre with sealing magic or witch queen with blood magic,then why can't Zeref be arcane stage when he got "death magic, the magic to kill immortals themselves" be arcane stage?"

Ok first off being arcane stage isn't a guarantee to kill a devil second of all in lucifero case arcane stage isn't going to be enough you would need saint stage to accomplish even hurting, also there immortality isn't as impressive as the devils immortality so it's not gonna work

"Even Yami is arcane stage, why? Because dark magic is arcane stage. Zeref is a master in black arts."

You know that dark magic and black arts are different right and you do know that dark magic doesn't even have any properties similar to black arts so why even compare the two?

"He just spams death magic, and its enough to solo. No even need for timestop."

Death magic isn't doing anything and he loses Fairy heart before doing timestop

@paxa said:

Lmao

but the verse is getting lowball at the same time rn

cant believe that people say that saitama beats madara, but madara beats lucifero but lucifero beats julius but julius beats saitama

@paxa:

"The guy is small Countrylevel while FH Zeref scales to Etherion hence Continentlevel"

Ok you got me that was a nice joke, small country level really? Even without the continental statement, the ancient demon who is country level, is fodder to people that are people that are fodder while he scales above people that he thinks are fodder, he would have been atleast continental

Anyways the continental statement is about how salamander can burn up to 1000ri

https://ibb.co/HqY0jKV

https://ibb.co/dr0w6jn

If you wanna know much is 1000ri is

1000ri = 4000km

4000km = 16000000sq km

The continent of antarctica is 14200000sq km

Making salamander continental + being able to burn the ocean would be continental+ to multi continental and the captains scale to this because they were able to tank the blast themselves and Lucifero scales above the dark triad, Supreme devils, light triad, demonized loropechika and morris who scale above the captains making him multi continental+ to high end multi continental+

Small country level is laughable downplay even without this statement

@lichgod3: Zeref cannot be put away with bfr.

After he attained FH, he gained complete control over time-space. We see acno tearing his way out of a dimension due to gaining powers from the time rift, the same time rift zeref got his powers from as well.

since when did lucifero had bfr?

Well he just reverses time and comes back.

He doesn't need fairy heart to time-stop, now what?

Zeref's magic is superior to Yami's.

And besides, even if both aren't same, Zeref's death magic is said to kill even immortals.

None can blitz when he can just put surround himself with death magic like below here-

If they get close to him hoping to blitz, they just die.

@pr03:

"Well he just reverses time and comes back."

He would already have lost FH so it wouldn't matter

"He doesn't need fairy heart to time-stop, now what?"

I don't remember him having time manipulation without FH

"Zeref's magic is superior to Yami's."

In what way?

"And besides, even if both aren't same, Zeref's death magic is said to kill even immortals."

Immortals that can only come back from full body destruction and not actual EE

"None can blitz when he can just put surround himself with death magic like below here-"

Lucifero will be unaffected by it

"If they get close to him hoping to blitz, they just die."

Again lucifero wouldn't be affected by it and no devil would be either

@el_directo_:

"After he attained FH, he gained complete control over time-space. We see acno tearing his way out of a dimension due to gaining powers from the time rift, the same time rift zeref got his powers from as well."

He got control over time AND space not time-space or space-time those are two complete different things, zeref got his powers from fairy heart, I don't remember zeref getting his powers from SBT.

@lichgod3: @lichgod3: Acno attained spacial powers after he consumed the rift. He then later went to break out of a dimension with his barehands, zeref had access to the rift powers for centuries.

He's got spatial abilities. His statement to natsu further cements that claim.

Bfr will not work on him.

Fairy heart is a completely different thing from the time lapse.

@el_directo_:

"Acno attained spacial powers after he consumed the rift. He then later went to break out of a dimension with his barehands, zeref had access to the rift powers for centuries."

Ik that acno gained the ability to SBT after absorbing it, can you show me a scan suggesting that zeref had access to it for centuries

"He's got spatial abilities. His statement to natsu further cements that claim."

Scan?

"Bfr will not work on him."

I need to see the scans first before I respond to this

"Fairy heart is a completely different thing from the time lapse."

Ik

Again, he doesn't need fairy heart to time-stop-

He wouldn't lose FH no matter what. That was just a plot armor given to Natsu.

Before that, are you forgetting Zeref was killed and his whole body vaporized, but he reversed time and came back alive. This didn't knock FH out of him, then why would a punch from Natsu? The plot armor given to Natsu is obvious.

And again, without fairy heart, time-stop is possible.

Lucifer has already folded space, why would he have problems with time? that time stop won't do anything to it. death magic doesn't work on a devil, they don't have life energy, which is what takes away that magic.

Zeref stomps, lucifero only advantage is speed

I like how you pull terms out of your ass

Bzw,your reading comparison is beyond shit.It didnt say it would burn the ocean.And the "it fries 1000 Ri" has 0 timeframe given.Not a single of this staments gives your BC verse a upgrade.

BC stuck at barely Small Countrylevel

@crislanister: show feats of a demons heart countering death magic

this NLF arcane magic shit is so dumb and is a terrible argument as well pls stop using it

Zeref in his Fairy heart version, is superior at the country level (Etherion, but it doesn't even come close to continental, Acnologia RoT was defeated with the magic of two continents and is far superior to Zeref ft.

Lucifero continues to have damage to concepts, good to remember

Space (metre^3) and time (sec) are both separate physical quantities.

Devils are alive, meaning they have life energy, simple.

And death magic isn't the only thing Zeref can use, fairy law one shots-

@deyyy: Askeram's death magic snatches the vital energy of the beings around him, the devils do not have vital energy, they are not technically alive, they just exist. We can know that because lichita stole vital energy from those who were close to him and when he touched Lucifero he was unable to take away his life/vital energy.

@pr03: And both (Space - time) interact together and can nullify each other, you need space for the speed to move and vice versa. btw, lucifero has already canceled a Bfr, ​​a technique that ignores Space and time by defeating Dorothy and her dream world, there is no reason for a time stop to defeat him, not to mention that Julius is no match for him.

shouldn't lucifer get ps from the devil twins? if so, it can affect the concept of death

What is this physics? All physical quantities interact with each other, doen't mean Lucifero is immune to each one.

Lucifero was at (let's say) 37 degree celcius and had a mass of (let's say) 80 kg but Dorothy was unable to move him. Like I said, all physical quantities interact and are in relation with each other.

But Dorothy's technique ignores temperature, mass, etc., doesn't it? Does it mean Lucifero can stand against infinite mass, or handle infinite temperatures or absolute 0? No.

Again, your physics is wrong. Space is in relation with all other physical quantities, its not just time.

@paxa:

"Bzw,your reading comparison is beyond shit.It didnt say it would burn the ocean.And the "it fries 1000 Ri" has 0 timeframe given.Not a single of this staments gives your BC verse a upgrade."

It litteraly says that it dry the ocean, and doesn't need a time frame what are you on about, going by your logic etherion isn't country level because it doesn't have a time frame this circular logic can be used against you don't try it.

"BC stuck at barely Small Countrylevel"

Even tho there are other country level statements your just in denial.

Zeref mid-high diffs

@pr03:

"Again, he doesn't need fairy heart to time-stop-"

That was base form and I don't remember using it in battle either

"He wouldn't lose FH no matter what. That was just a plot armor given to Natsu."

Thats not plot armor, if it was plot armor natsu would have gained another ability mid battle to beat zeref, but it never happened once he got knocked out he lost FH simple as that.

"Before that, are you forgetting Zeref was killed and his whole body vaporized, but he reversed time and came back alive. This didn't knock FH out of him, then why would a punch from Natsu? The plot armor given to Natsu is obvious."

Being vaporized and being destroyed by EE aren't the same, also I don't remember him being completely being erased

"And again, without fairy heart, time-stop is possible."

That he has never used mid battle

"The breath of the Flame Dragon fries 1000 Ri"

1) No time frame given

2) You kind of need an area here to quantify, which you can't with just a length given. Sure its breath fries 1000 Ri (about 4000 km) however for all we know it might be a very thin line a few meters wide stretching that far. Realize a continent is both 1000's of km long and wide, this statement gives us only one half.

"and one swing of it's claws dries an ocean"

This one's easy, we have no stated size for this "ocean" and no, we cannot assume it's size from irl oceans because the BC verse has a very different society and geography from ours.

Also Etherion has a time frame, it'd create an explosion that takes out a whole country in its blast radius.

FH Zeref solos the verse.

@shirso:

"1) No time frame given"

It generally doesn't need a timeframe

"2) You kind of need an area here to quantify, which you can't with just a length given. Sure its breath fries 1000 Ri (about 4000 km) however for all we know it might be a very thin line a few meters wide stretching that far. Realize a continent is both 1000's of km long and wide, this statement gives us only one half."

Square Km exist for that reason

"This one's easy, we have no stated size for this "ocean" and no, we cannot assume it's size from irl oceans because the BC verse has a very different society and geography from ours."

We can use the sizes from our earth as a reference.

"Also Etherion has a time frame, it'd create an explosion that takes out a whole country in its blast radius."

You didn't give me a time frame also I don't see it destroying a country can you give me the aftermath, because too me it looks multi mountain level.