Part 1 versions for all
Zabuza has his sword
Haku can use Ice Mirrors
No Samehada
Takes place at The Great Naruto Bridge
In Character
Morals off
Fight to the death
Part 1 versions for all
Zabuza has his sword
Haku can use Ice Mirrors
No Samehada
Takes place at The Great Naruto Bridge
In Character
Morals off
Fight to the death
Kisame stomps. If KN0 Naruto can break Haku's mirrors then Kisame should no issue doing so. Zabuza loses too, the only he was able to fight Kakashi as well as he did was because Kakashi had to also protect four other people, not to mention he was rusty iirc.
Kisame loses, he has zero Part 1 feats essentially and completely none without Samehada.
^^^^^^What this guy said. Kisame loses without Samehada.
Anyone early Shippuden Kakashi level and above solos.
Kisame low-mid difficulty due to not having Samehada.
@bdelloidgrain2@alextheboss How does Kisame win this if we go by his Part 1 feats alone lol?
@limitlesssigil: It says part 1 version, not part one feats. I doubt Kissame got much stronger over the time skip.
Kisame wins even with out his sword he is still physically superior 2 either of them on top of having boat loads more chakara then anybody here
@alextheboss said:
@limitlesssigil: It says part 1 version, not part one feats. I doubt Kissame got much stronger over the time skip.
What's the point of even stating the version if we're allowed to use all of his feats?
Zabuza was considered the strongest of the swordsmen of the original swordsmen not the new age swordsmen with kisame. Kisame without Samehada and fused form was arguably stronger than the swordsmen indivually for beating Fugiki, the original owner of Samehada and original member of the 7 swordsmen.
So kisame should take this. Haku is far outclassed in power and speed by Kisame. Zabuza saying haku was stronger than himself is PIS and makes no sense. How could Haku be on par with Zabuza, when haku was nearly stalemated by Inexperienced Sharingan 1 Tomoe Sasuke, and Zabuza was almost equal to Sharingan 3 Tomoe Kakashi.
@limitlesssigil: The better question is why use part 1 if part 1 Kissame has piratically now feats in the first place? You could argue he got a bit stronger, but with no stated power up he should be of similar strength as before. He was still portrayed to be above Kakashi who was above Zabuza, and add it the fact he has Samehada and can fuse with his sword he should definitely win, even if he is a bit weaker than he was in part 2.
@alextheboss said:
@limitlesssigil: The better question is why use part 1 if part 1 Kissame has piratically now feats in the first place?
I dunno, I didn't make the thread.
You could argue he got a bit stronger, but with no stated power up he should be of similar strength as before. He was still portrayed to be above Kakashi who was above Zabuza
Kakashi and Zabuza were essentially even at the time, Zabuza would have won had Naruto and Sasuke not been there.
, and add it the fact he has Samehada and can fuse with his sword
Under the assumption that he's limited to part 1 feats, he can't do this. Not to mention, the OP has removed Samehada in this thread.
he should definitely win, even if he is a bit weaker than he was in part 2.
Assuming he is only allowed his part 1 feats, there's no way he wins. All we have from him is that he's probably stronger than Kakashi, unable to defeat a base Jiraiya alongside Itachi (At this point) and all of this is assumed while he has access to Samehada, which he doesn't in this battle.
@limitlesssigil: Without Samehada I can see him having trouble, but even in part one he had the advantage over Asuma, was hit by a direct hit by Guy with no damage, and him and Itachi were up against four Zabuza level opponents, and those four were scared, meaning Itachi and Kisame should at least be worth around two of them, as if they weren't they could have just beat them then and there.
@alextheboss said:
@limitlesssigil: Without Samehada I can see him having trouble, but even in part one he had the advantage over Asuma, was hit by a direct hit by Guy with no damage, and him and Itachi were up against four Zabuza level opponents, and those four were scared, meaning Itachi and Kisame should at least be worth around two of them, as if they weren't they could have just beat them then and there.
Ehh, saying Asuma and Kurenai are equal to Guy and Kakashi is a stretch.
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