Yrul (Black Clover) vs Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece)

Speed Equalized

Yrul has access to the five headed dragon and Bogeyman

Who takes it?

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Yrul is probably immortal, the Dragon is immortal, and Luffy has no counter for Boogyman.

I love how Tabata uses the same magic attribute but with such vast difference.

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No idea who Yrul is.

Toonforce hax is still OP as hell. Will say luffy for now. :p

@kajin_style: Yrul is one of Lucius's paladins, he doesn't have many feats to go off of yet, we don't even know what devil he is a host for yet. Although boogeyman can manifest a person's greatest fear into reality.

So hypothetically, if luffys greatest fear is Akainu, Akainu is manifested into reality.

This fight is kind of 1 sided, not only does luffy have to fight his greatest fear, a 5 headed dragon that is seemingly unkillable by conventional means but also a devil host which likely has a supreme rank devil.

Luffy has no "greatest" fear.

Again toonforce powers is a hefty hack. Then there's the Ryuu haki that allows him to do internal damage.

Toon Force and Haki can't stop immortality.

@kajin_style: yeah like luffy didn't run away from Magellan in fear, like luffy didn't ball his eyes out when his brother had a hole punched through him right in his face, like luffy didn't panic when the pacifista and kuma started BFRing his crew.

We don't even know Yrul's devil power yet, and even with speed equalized, luffy is at a big disadvantage.

1. Magellan wasn't a fear, he was willing to give up his arms if it meant rescuing Ace.
2. Watching someone die infront of you is not a "fear" it is trauma.
3. Jimbei help Luffy overcome the grief and remind himself what else he had to life for.
4. Rayleigh helped Luffy master his haki, giving him the tools to protect his Nakama so what happened to Ace won't happen to him.
5. He rather die first than lose his friends as proven by his fight with Kaido -- literally died.
6. Thanks to conqueror's haki there is no more fear of those things as he has the power to save them or die trying.
7. So any pre-time skip fears are ill-relevant now.

Hence.. no fear.

Immortality doesn't mean infinity stamina, endless regeneration, or limitless power. It just means they won't die. They can still get their ass beat.

@kajin_style: Boogeyman brings out your deepest darkest fear even ones you have no idea of. Ichika clearly on panel even forgot what her fear was but she was reminded of it alas!!

@kajin_style: ok, post timeskip, Luffy ran away from Katakuri when his haki ran out. IN FEAR OF LOSING HIS LIFE. Luffy even went as far as to take Brulle as a hostage in WCI. So he could safely retreat because Katakuri wouldnt attack luffy when he had his sister. Don't act like he is this hardened badass that has no fear.

Are we even reading the same manga? Luffy never took Brulee as a hostage against Katakuri.... Luffy took her because she's the only one who can travel between mirrors and allow him to hide temporarily for the time he regains his haki

@multivelda: that is abducting her out of fear, my bad. Luffy took Brulle because running/hiding in the mirror world, out of fear for his life, wasn't working.

So luffy bravely ran away and abducted Katakuri's sister to ensure a safe retreat.

An act of cowardice even if you want to argue it was a "tactical retreat".

And luffy giving up his arms to Magellan is still fear, luffy just acted bravely in the face of his own fear of knowing what would happen. He still feared Magellan, just like everyone else.

@kajin_style: I guarantee you a Paladin has more stamina than G5.

@captain_inverse: Luffy wasn't afraid it was strategy. He knew he had no chance without his haki so he retreated to recharge. The only opponent who "scared" Luffy was garp and he still punched him out when the situation called for it

Feats for the black clover guy?

@edgelord91: that's precisely what I meant by a tactical retreat. Luffy FEARED dieing/capture/losing, so he abducted Brulle to escape. It's as simple as that. Katakuri had him scampering away before he found Brulee and kidnapped her to escape.

Luffy was still scared while trying to escape so his haki could recharge.

What would you say was his emotion was during impel down when confronted by Magellan after knowing what he was capable of?

Either way, we can go the Garp route, in which case boogeyman manifests into Garp.

So it's a paladin, Garp, and a immortal 5 headed dragon (the casually mountain busts) vs. Luffy

@captain_inverse: Luffy explicitly doesn't fear death or dying. Remember logue town?

That was strategy. He left because he ran out of stamina and needed to recharge. He explicitly told brulee he was going back once his haki returned

Luffy doesn't need to fear Death.

Asta's fear was being too weak to save people so he has to fight a version of himself.

Luffy does Fear losing his crew so he would be in a similar boat as Asta.

@edgelord91: good point.

@wk_decaff: so how did asta best him?

@edgelord91: Because Asta has anti magic.

That's your assumption. He wanted to get away to recover. Then jump back into the fight. If he feared his life, he wouldn't have re-engaged with Katakuri.

Present the evidence then.

That was pre-time skip. With the current version of Luffy who went against Kaido risking it all, including his crew and then winning, this fear can't exist.

On top of that he trusts his crew far more to handle things while he is busy with the big bad.

Why would Luffy no longer fear losing his crew?

The fear began after meeting Aokiji and he remarks on it against Blueno:

This could be seen as foreshadowing since later on Kuma and Kizaru happened. This made his fears all more real. During that incident he told his crew, they weren't strong enough to beat these guys. At that point of the story, Luffy had a solid understanding of strength and where him and his crew are, or at the very least where he is. Impel Down happens, Ace dies, trauma sets in. However before that trauma becomes more of a PTSD thing, Jimbei snaps him out of it. Soon after, Rayleigh talks Luffy into training so they don't get a repeat of the Kuma incident.

All that is the fear. The 2 year timeskip gave him time to heal from the pain of loss (Ace's death) and better himself to the point where he went back to his usual self and was more assured in his dreams and goals. Meeting up with his crew and sailing again he got see what they can do and know they will be fine.

Through Fishman island, Punk Hazard, Whole Cake Island and now Wano, that fear has not resurfaced not once. Not in the face of all that danger they faced it, there wasn't an ounce of it anywhere.

Even when they had a chance to reflect right before facing Kaido and were about to give Jimbei a toast... what does he think of? The coming battle? The challenges ahead? The lives at stake? naw.. A fuckin' party:

Even when he was about to lose to Kaido and die, what was his thoughts? Nothing, just I got to beat this guy or I am done:

Never once, was there the fear of losing his crew. Or the fear he bit off more than he can chew. Not even an ounce of concern or worry. He fully trusts his crew to handle things.

This begs the question what is fear and how do we recognize someone having fear. How has others overcome fear or become immune to fear. We see stories and tales about warriors doing just that. Batman is famously known for overcoming his own fears, for them to never resurface again. This is a nice topic for another post.

@kajin_style: Not a single scan here shows him with an immediate threat to his crew?

Your point is?

Do try to debate for once.

Luffy stomps as of recent BC chapter

@kajin_style: That you tried to prove a point by using irrelevant scans that didn't prove your point?

Luffy can't replicate what Asta does.

@wk_decaff: no I mean like literally how. Did he just neg the clone or did he have to mentally resolve his fear?

@edgelord91: Oh, he one-shot it if we take that literally that means Asta can now one-shot his unresolved self from a couple of chapters ago.

@wk_decaff: ASTA said he did it via resolve. If that's means mental fortitude Luffy negs it. If not then Luffy fights garp

@edgelord91: That's not what happened.

@wk_decaff: it's what it looked like to me since the other chick didn't fight her nightmare but I'm not a black clover reader so I could be wrong

@edgelord91: Asta's training leads to him resolving himself and no longer hesitating. This allowed him to one-shot his former self. The resolve didn't magically make his fear disappear it just allowed him to fight through it, which he did by one shotting with an attack.

Resolve didn't end the spell. Asta still had to destroy it, which is a feat for him because now he could one-shot himself from like a few hours before.

@wk_decaff: Plus don't forget Yrul's 5 headed dragon as well.(which is featless)

@mangacomics69: It's got enough feats to suggest Luffy can't kill it.

@wk_decaff: in that case it depends on what Luffy fears if anything

I made my points. Not my problem if you can't understand them.

As I stated he fears nothing, not even death.

If he feared his crew dying, he would display worry and tell them to be careful. He would not put them in harms way. He tell them to keep an eye on Ussop or Chopper. None of that happens. He fully trusts they are capable of keeping themselves alive and doing their part in whatever current arc they are in.

He knows that by becoming the Pirate King, he becomes the freest person in world and with that amount of freedom and recognition he is able to keep the people he about the most around him. He can repel the government and does what he wants.

This is why beating Kaido is such a big moment and further evidence there is no more fear, since there nothing tangible he knows of or his crew knows of that can be a threat to them. Not even the admirals, he fears.

He was quick to attack and fight Fujitora at Dressrosa, ready to throw down with an Admiral and that's long before Wano.

The fear is just not there.

@kajin_style: facts. So what else does this guy have

Your points had no correlation, lmao.

Trusting your crew =/= being ok with them dying or leaving or etc.

This is an entire plot point when Sanji left, Luffy literally said he couldn't go on without Sanji.