Note: Consider Windu as amped as he was against Sidious.
Yoda vs. Mace Windu
Rank is absolutely irrelevant to ability; Vader takes orders from Tarkin, but I think everyone would agree that Tarkin would get his shit pushed in by Vader.
As for this fight; Yoda comfortably. Mace could hold out for a decent amount of time, but Yoda is more skilled (Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter), more powerful (The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia), and considerably faster (Yoda: Dark Rendezvous).
@erkan12: Still you must realise that Yoda technically mastered all forms while Mace just one. I think that their fight might be interesting but it would be really fast from 10-20 seconds and we know who would win.
I think that Yoda and Mace were made as nearly equals originally. No matter what novel says, people believe that Mace really beated Sidious on a fair fight and Yoda just got unlucky. And the way Mace is showed in ROTS movie I think he might be able to beat anyone in the Order.
@penderor: Mace is master of at least 2-3 forms, not just one.
Ugh..Yoda. Seriously this isn't a debate.
Juyo does not belong to a Sith. Kavar, Vrook and Zez-Kai Ell were all Jedi, but they were masters of Juyo and taught it to Meetra Surik.
Yoda stomps, and I like how Shatterpoint and Windu's one time amp are being brought up.
Yoda. Mace fight over Palpatine was pearly a mental game on Anakin more than a serious victory for Mace who also had three other masters to help him as distractions.
Is this fight old canon or new canon? Either way I'd go with Yoda but I am curious because my answer might change as new stuff gets released.
Why is that ?
Yoda. Come on now...
Mace is on a similar tier regarding raw lightsaber skill, but he is considerably less powerful than Yoda and Sidious.
I would give 1/10 for Windu and that victory comes only if he would be able to somehow release the Dark Side in the Yoda.
Look Erkan, I like you but you must admit that Master shouldnt beat Grandmaster.
For him to release the Dark Side in Yoda. Pftttt.
If theres one guy who Mace cant turn to the Dark Side, its Yoda.
Alright, I've found another quote, which is G-Canon and proves that Windu at the same level with Yoda and Sidious.
"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor."
Source : George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 204
Lucas has no control over Star Wars anymore so there is no g-canon classification. It's only Canon and Legends and since this thread was made before the canon shift C-Canon counts just as much as G-Canon does. Regardless of which canon, Yoda wins every time.
Alright, I've found another quote, which is G-Canon and proves that Windu at the same level with Yoda and Sidious.
"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor."
Source : George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 204
Lucas has no control over Star Wars anymore so there is no g-canon classification. It's only Canon and Legends and since this thread was made before the canon shift C-Canon counts just as much as G-Canon does. Regardless of which canon, Yoda wins every time.
Thank you.
The little green monkey.
So you like little guys ugh? Well I'm 5"6 just fyi.
@whirlwind_33: Ha! Im 5'9.
@penderor: is Mace Windu beating Sidious STILL going on? Come on, he was fighting Windu, Kit Fisto, and two other Jedi masters AT THE SAME TIME. He still managed to kill all three. You could also tell Sidious was holding back, because he wanted Anakin to come and see if he was loyal enough to defend Palpatine. Because without Anakin as an apprentice, Sidious couldn't do much, really
@faymousinus: You son a bi....lol.
It's cool though. My little guy, is about that size *wink wink*
@penderor: Because without Anakin as an apprentice, Sidious couldn't do much, really
I would say he could still do alot. It was more because he wanted the extra special ''Chosen one'' on his side.
I don't believe Mace was better or Palpatine let him win. Mace just found a lucky opening and exploited it
@faymousinus: Thats why i said just 1/10.
Nothing is impossible. In TCW there was a proof that there is Dark Side inside of Yoda.
@maninthemountain: Sidious was holding back at the start. Until Mace started to buff himself from the Dark Side inside the Sidious, then Sidious started losing.
Juyo does not belong to a Sith. Kavar, Vrook and Zez-Kai Ell were all Jedi, but they were masters of Juyo and taught it to Meetra Surik.
Yoda stomps, and I like how Shatterpoint and Windu's one time amp are being brought up.
The amp of being on his homeworld, or simply that the author gave him the shatterpoint force technique?
@eisenfauste: The one time amp he had against Sidious.
@shootingnova: Oh I thought you were talking about Shatterpoint the book and was like, don't think that was an amp.........
@eisenfauste: I would have italicized Shatterpoint, like I just did, if I was referring to the novel. I was obviously referring to the technique, given how I was wording it.
@shootingnova: No one here italicizes books when referring to them. You are the first I have seen, I didn't pick up on it right away sue me. You don't like that he got the technique without them explaining how right?
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