Yoda vs. Galen Marek(Starkiller 2)
If you have played Star Wars The Force Unleashed 1 and 2. Then you will know who this is. I wanna know if you think the orginal Starkiller could defeat Yoda and I wanna know if you think the clone from the second one could defeat Yoda too. Starkiller 2 the clone I think is more powerful then the orginal one.
He has already defeated many of the most powerful force users. I have not seen him fight Yoda or heard of it yet.
Galen Marek also knows must fighting styles of Jedis and Siths alike giving him a advantage of experience even though he is young.
Yoda obviously I don't need to explain much. Everybody knows how experienced he is with the force and lightsaber.
i played TFU 1, and i just remember galen made vader look silly, and then he wrecked sidious (he was only killed because his jedi buddy distracted/lowered his guard). the games made force users look like gods, so yoda's feats from the films don't really match up.
with that said, i know people are going to say yoda is a million years old and has all this experience...but in the end he still pretty much lost his duel with sidious in ep. 3. i'm leaning toward galen for now.
Galen murders yoda in the most devastating way possible,Yoda was beat by sidious,and Galen beat sidious fairly easy.
I think that Yoda would have more experience with the Lightsaber, Galen never seen anybody fight like Yoda with a lightsaber. The way Yoda hops around with the Lightsaber I think Galen would have a tough time keeping up. Causing him to lose track and fail at defeating Yoda.
Then on the other hand Galen has the Lighting power giving him a better advantage cuz at the end of TFU if you pick the lightside at the end of the game. He overpowers Vader by connecting telephone structures together and using the force lighting bolt to weaken him giving him time to attack.
I would love to see more feats of Yoda in comic books or the Clone Wars series cartoon. Nobody said that it was based on just the Yoda from the movie.
dooku was able to defend himself against yoda's fighting style, same with sidious. galen would be able to do the same.I think that Yoda would have more experience with the Lightsaber, Galen never seen anybody fight like Yoda with a lightsaber. The way Yoda hops around with the Lightsaber I think Galen would have a tough time keeping up. Causing him to lose track and fail at defeating Yoda.
Then on the other hand Galen has the Lighting power giving him a better advantage cuz at the end of TFU if you pick the lightside at the end of the game. He overpowers Vader by connecting telephone structures together and using the force lighting bolt to weaken him giving him time to attack.
I would love to see more feats of Yoda in comic books or the Clone Wars series cartoon. Nobody said that it was based on just the Yoda from the movie.
in TFU 1 galen didn't even need lightning to wreck vader, its just another tool he could use in this fight against yoda.
@The Hooded Hero said:dooku was able to defend himself against yoda's fighting style, same with sidious. galen would be able to do the same. in TFU 1 galen didn't even need lightning to wreck vader, its just another tool he could use in this fight against yoda.I think that Yoda would have more experience with the Lightsaber, Galen never seen anybody fight like Yoda with a lightsaber. The way Yoda hops around with the Lightsaber I think Galen would have a tough time keeping up. Causing him to lose track and fail at defeating Yoda.
Then on the other hand Galen has the Lighting power giving him a better advantage cuz at the end of TFU if you pick the lightside at the end of the game. He overpowers Vader by connecting telephone structures together and using the force lighting bolt to weaken him giving him time to attack.
I would love to see more feats of Yoda in comic books or the Clone Wars series cartoon. Nobody said that it was based on just the Yoda from the movie.
This maybe true, but Yoda has the ability to collect the lighting like he did in episode 2 wasn't it against count dooku. Didnt he even toss it back at him in a ball form?
@JediXMan: im curious, how does the book take presedence over the game? there's no indication in the game that shows that palpatine let starkiller win.Other than the fact that Starkiller outright says it's a trick. And that the Dark Side ending shows him effortlessly tossing Starkiller aside.
I didn't say that the book overruled the game. But they're on the same level; equals.
@ShiZZmAhh said:sidious got overpowered...this is almost the same exact scenario with him and mace windu in ep. 3. as for the darkside ending, i found this on the starwars wiki.@JediXMan: im curious, how does the book take presedence over the game? there's no indication in the game that shows that palpatine let starkiller win.Other than the fact that Starkiller outright says it's a trick. And that the Dark Side ending shows him effortlessly tossing Starkiller aside. I didn't say that the book overruled the game. But they're on the same level; equals.
"In side-choosing games such as the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic series and Dark Forces saga where the player has the choice between light side and dark side, as of yet, the light side ending has been verified as canonical by Lucasfilm in all games.
It is not known however if it does impose additional restrictions on the secondary story and the outcome of any individual alignment-defining sidequest or choice in the game since they are not strictly set. For example the protagonist of KOTOR canonically followed the light and helped the Galactic Republic destroy the Star Forge but that doesn't mean that he didn't kill Bendak Starkiller or that he didn't join the GenoHaradan (both dark-aligned options in the game).
However, Wookieepedia articles assume that the player picks the light side choice for all scenarios; therefore, even the secondary choices and events pertaining to the dark side or triggered by relevant choices, are considered non-canon."
TFU1 Starkiller loses to Yoda. TFU1 Starkiller's Force Lightning was rather weak. Sure it could affect multiple people, but it took quite a while to accomplish anything with it. Lightsaber throw would be deflected by Yoda rather easily, and Force Push can be nullified with some novice-level Force shields. Also Starkiller's lightsaber skills were rather poor ans Yoda would ace him. Starkiller won every (or at least most) battles with his Force Powers that someone like Yoda would simply chuckle at.
TFU2 Starkiller Clone (who may still be the original Starkiller) was more powerful. Some of his powers could actually kill on contact. I would still suggest that the Clone would lose to Yoda, but would put up a better fight.
How do you explain the fact that Starkiller said it was a trick? And I know perfectly well that the light ending is canon, thank you. I am just stating it.
The novel showed the fight as being nothing more than Palpatine falling like an old man after taking a few hits with a few rocks. The books are C canon, the games are C canon. Look at it this way:
The game is C-Canon, worth 10 points.
Novel is C-Canon, worth 10 points.
Graphic novel is C-Canon, worth 10 points.
All on the same level. None of them overrule the others. It's just that some clarify it more so. You'll notice that the novel is referenced on Wookieepedia in the Starkiller article, as well.
Also, how did the fight end again? Starkiller taking Palpatine's lightning and causing an explosion. Room was damaged from the explosion, Starkiller was killed, and Palpatine didn't have a scratch on his wrinkled skin.
Also, gameplay footage is non-canon (don't confuse this with cinematic cut-scenes, which are canon). So the entire fight he had in the game is non-canon, which includes being attacked by the guards during the fight. Therefore, all we have to go by as far as how the fight went would be in the novel or GN. So... yeah.
Both the book and the comic indicated very clearly that Palpatine faked weakness. In fact, there was not even a fight between the two. Sidious never drew a lightsaber. He just allowed Starkiller to hurl objects at him and then goaded Starkiller into attacking him. When he decided not to, the Emperor bursted Lightning at Kota, which Starkiller stepped into the path of. Then Starkiller was killed by the Lightning, releasing a Dark side Burst which never even hurt Palpatine. He did not beat Palpatine at all.@JediXMan: im curious, how does the book take presedence over the game? there's no indication in the game that shows that palpatine let starkiller win.
@ShiZZmAhh said:
Starkiller's Lightning is weak. Maris Brood, Kota, PROXY, and others managed to withstand it without any mentionable harm. Yoda can use Deflection or Absorption against it very easily.in TFU 1 galen didn't even need lightning to wreck vader, its just another tool he could use in this fight against yoda.
@ShiZZmAhh said:
You have no idea what you're talking about. Tyranus and Sidious actually have notable feats against experienced fighters. Starkiller, not so much. He was on the losing end of all of his duels. Against Kota, he was losing until Kota hesitated when he received a vision that caused him to hesitate. When this happened, Starkiller beat him. Against Paratus, Starkiller was being dominated until he leaped away to create distance between them. Kazdan decided to control the mannequins of the Jedi Council, which he believed to be real. Starkiller cut these down, and as he did so, Paratus started crying because he thought the "Jedi" were murdered by Starkiller. At that point, Starkiller assaulted him telekinetically and killed him. Against Shaak, he was losing practically since the start and only began to fare well once they fought near the mouth of the sarlacc. At the end, Shaak basically threw herself at his lightsaber in an attempt to land three slashes on him (reminiscent of Hulk flying into Sentry's fists). Against Maris Brood, Starkiller was losing again until he switched to a lightsaber form that Maris was unfamiliar with to confuse her. Against Vader, he did as well as he did because he already knew Vader's style so thoroughly, which by itself is illogical because Vader should understand Starkiller's style similarly. In FU2, Starkiller managed to defeat Vader again.dooku was able to defend himself against yoda's fighting style, same with sidious. galen would be able to do the same.
None of this matches up to Yoda. Yoda is a far superior duelist to Starkiller, is too fast for him to even notice, is a much better telekinetic, and overall just has greater power.
@The Hooded Hero said:
Fighting fast enough to create afterimages/to be unseen by other Force sensitives; telekinetically lifting and moving Luke's X-Wing effortlessly, moving two droid carrier vessels, moving an immense missile numerous miles from him, smashing through durable surfaces, etc.; using Deflection/Absorption against Force Lightning; using Battle Meditation to influence the tide of battles; knowing Force Light; etc.We need more feats of Yoda.
Yoda wins fairly easily.
Against Maris Brood, Starkiller was losing again until he switched to a lightsaber form that Maris was unfamiliar with to confuse her.
None of this matches up to Yoda. Yoda is a far superior duelist to Starkiller, is too fast for him to even notice, is a much better telekinetic, and overall just has greater power.
I think actually his victory against Maris Brood shouldn't be discounted. If he switched to a style that she didn't understand, that gives him the edge because he could still adapt and change.
That being said, Yoda is a badass and would beat either of them.
I liked original Starkiller better.
I think actually his victory against Maris Brood shouldn't be discounted. If he switched to a style that she didn't understand, that gives him the edge because he could still adapt and change.Not saying the tactic itself is wrong or fails to show resourcefulness, but in utilization of forms both understood and were trained in, she had the edge. That was the point. He could only win by employing a style she had no knowledge of.
Yoda takes this. Why? He has a proven track record of success while this Starkiller guy did a few flashy moves and get his 15 minutes of fame. Yoda is a gamer, his feats are actually amazing considering his age of 900 years old. Let's see Starkiller do flips like that when he's 900. Yoda is the strongest Jedi, no doubt about it.
Yoda is the strongest Jedi, no doubt about it.Not really. There are Jedi with superior feats to Yoda, but he is definitely in the top 10.
@Baltoro said:Like who? And are they superior to PRIME Yoda? Because we can only speculate how strong this guy was in his prime...we've only seem him stomp opponents as a geriatric. Powerscaling should give it to Yoda in almost all cases if we revert him to prime conditions.Yoda is the strongest Jedi, no doubt about it.Not really. There are Jedi with superior feats to Yoda, but he is definitely in the top 10.
@Silver2467 said:This is operating under the assumption that Force sensitives lose power with age, which is simply not the case. Tyranus, Luke, Streen, the Dark Woman, Sidious, Obi-Wan, Gethzerion, and others were all just as, if not more powerful when they were older than when they were younger. The only point at which age becomes an obstacle in their ability to use the Force is when they reach a time when their age is far exceeded what it should be naturally or they are near death by age, such as the cases with Odan-Urr or Vima da Boda (and even they displayed the ability to draw on the Force, as Odan telekinetically hurled away Exar Kun, and Vima was able to teleport and render herself invisible). The fact is, the only feats we have for Yoda are when he was older, and when he was older, he was the most powerful Jedi of his time. You are assuming that at a younger age, he would be greater, without actual showings to substantiate this.@Baltoro said:Like who? And are they superior to PRIME Yoda? Because we can only speculate how strong this guy was in his prime...we've only seem him stomp opponents as a geriatric. Powerscaling should give it to Yoda in almost all cases if we revert him to prime conditions.Yoda is the strongest Jedi, no doubt about it.Not really. There are Jedi with superior feats to Yoda, but he is definitely in the top 10.
To answer your question, Luke, Kyp, Jacen, and Streen are examples of more powerful Jedi.
Based on the game Starkillers lightning was powerful enough to vapourise his opponents
With Force Fury this happened every time
I don't think the novel actually had Force Fury though
Yoda's skill with blocking lightning failed against Sidious in episode III though neither actually won
@Silver2467: *Mumbles* Still a good move.he never said it wasnt,it was impressive that he adapted and changed his fighting style in order to win,but it also shows that ,without said strategy,he wouldnt have won,meaning Maris is a better fighter.
Going with Yoda
At least, that's my analysis.
I've actually been willing to argue with Silver and JediXMan in the past about Starkiller's proficiency, but here most of it is kind of irrelevant. To me the situation basically boils down to this: the only opponent Starkiller has faced that was at all comparable to Yoda was Palpatine, and even in the games there is plenty of reason to believe he threw the fight. It makes sense with what happens (how does someone who just got his ass kicked suddenly walk around like he's fine and still have enough power to blow a hole in the friggin' Death Star, then still be standing afterwards like he isn't even winded?), but it also fits in pretty well with Palpatine's personality and basically his entire convoluted scheme that makes up the plot of the game. Everyone else Galen fights is so much weaker than Yoda in every area that there really isn't room for comparison between the two. The only reason Galen might last a while is because, IMO anyway, it is not in Yoda's nature to be "bloodlusted," so he might be fighting more defensively until he takes Galen's measure. So basically, the fight would last about as long as Yoda wants. A fight against, say, Mace Windu might actually be shorter, just because he seems like a more straightforward, no-nonsense fighter.
Then again, Yoda didn't show any qualms or remorse about killing clonetroopers left and right, and the only other fights I really know about are against Tyrannus and Palpatine, both of whom are strong enough to defend themselves against him, so I could be way off on his personality. That or he just doesn't care about clones.
i only linked that little snippet because you used the dark side ending to back up your argument, that is all.@ShiZZmAhh: How do you explain the fact that Starkiller said it was a trick? And I know perfectly well that the light ending is canon, thank you. I am just stating it. The novel showed the fight as being nothing more than Palpatine falling like an old man after taking a few hits with a few rocks. The books are C canon, the games are C canon. Look at it this way: The game is C-Canon, worth 10 points.Novel is C-Canon, worth 10 points.Graphic novel is C-Canon, worth 10 points. All on the same level. None of them overrule the others. It's just that some clarify it more so. You'll notice that the novel is referenced on Wookieepedia in the Starkiller article, as well. Also, how did the fight end again? Starkiller taking Palpatine's lightning and causing an explosion. Room was damaged from the explosion, Starkiller was killed, and Palpatine didn't have a scratch on his wrinkled skin. Also, gameplay footage is non-canon (don't confuse this with cinematic cut-scenes, which are canon). So the entire fight he had in the game is non-canon, which includes being attacked by the guards during the fight. Therefore, all we have to go by as far as how the fight went would be in the novel or GN. So... yeah.
i wasn't even aware there was a book or graphic novel until today. if both are saying that palpatine let him win, then i'll take your word for it.
@Silver2467
said:here's the problem, i'm going by the game, and i'm assuming you're going by the novel and graphic novel. there seem to be differences in the battles you're talking about.
@ShiZZmAhh said:You have no idea what you're talking about. Tyranus and Sidious actually have notable feats against experienced fighters. Starkiller, not so much. He was on the losing end of all of his duels. Against Kota, he was losing until Kota hesitated when he received a vision that caused him to hesitate. When this happened, Starkiller beat him. Against Paratus, Starkiller was being dominated until he leaped away to create distance between them. Kazdan decided to control the mannequins of the Jedi Council, which he believed to be real. Starkiller cut these down, and as he did so, Paratus started crying because he thought the "Jedi" were murdered by Starkiller. At that point, Starkiller assaulted him telekinetically and killed him. Against Shaak, he was losing practically since the start and only began to fare well once they fought near the mouth of the sarlacc. At the end, Shaak basically threw herself at his lightsaber in an attempt to land three slashes on him (reminiscent of Hulk flying into Sentry's fists). Against Maris Brood, Starkiller was losing again until he switched to a lightsaber form that Maris was unfamiliar with to confuse her. Against Vader, he did as well as he did because he already knew Vader's style so thoroughly, which by itself is illogical because Vader should understand Starkiller's style similarly. In FU2, Starkiller managed to defeat Vader again.dooku was able to defend himself against yoda's fighting style, same with sidious. galen would be able to do the same.
None of this matches up to Yoda. Yoda is a far superior duelist to Starkiller, is too fast for him to even notice, is a much better telekinetic, and overall just has greater power.
^the fight is relatively even but starkiller eventually starts getting the upper hand. at the 5min mark starkiller then uses the force to rag doll kota all over the room. kota hesitates AFTER starkiller already has the upper hand.
^once again...starkiller has the upper hand and shaak ti runs away toward the creature. starkiller is basically fighting against her and the creature and he ends up overpowering her.
i really don't feel like linking the rest of the videos...
if the novel and the graphic novel depict a difference in the battles then i concede. but to tell me i don't know what i'm talking about is silly when i can link all the fights and (for the most partt) they don't depict the battles the way you describe them.
@Westlife: Starkiller is a terrible duelist. In EVERY fight he has in the novels, he comments on how his opponents overpower him in duels. Every. Time. He only ever won with the Force or just by the skin of his teeth.this is what i concede to. the game didn't stay true to what you're saying and in pretty much all his duels he was winning in some sort of over the top fashion.
I am telling you don't what you are talking about because this is self-evident. Game mechanics are N-Canon. That means how a fight plays out as the player controls the character is not canon. I could play the same game you are, and you might be good enough at the game that you stomp Shaak Ti without sustaining a hit, while I barely defeat her. You might engage her primarily only with a lightsaber, while I just spew Lightning left and right. You might use Force Repulse, while I use Force Push. So whose play-through is canon? Neither. Because if the game mechanics were canon, then there is no way to determine how the fights occurred and what the events leading to one side's defeat or the other's are. Everyone plays the same game and views the same general story; no one plays it through the game the same way and views the details of each showing, especially since different consoles have different gameplay and different game mechanics.but to tell me i don't know what i'm talking about is silly when i can link all the fights and they don't depict the battles the way you describe them.
So your videos mean nothing. They show how the battles transpired from one player's choices, not from actual canon.
@ShiZZmAhh said:Not to mention if it was canon, there should be no life bars and everyone should die with one saber hit.I am telling you don't what you are talking about because this is self-evident. Game mechanics are N-Canon. That means how a fight plays out as the player controls the character is not canon. I could play the same game you are, and you might be good enough at the game that you stomp Shaak Ti without sustaining a hit, while I barely defeat her. You might engage her primarily only with a lightsaber, while I just spew Lightning left and right. You might use Force Repulse, while I use Force Push. So whose play-through is canon? Neither. Because if the game mechanics were canon, then there is no way to determine how the fights occurred and what the events leading to one side's defeat or the other's are. Everyone plays the same game and views the same general story; no one plays it through the game the same way and views the details of each showing, especially since different consoles have different gameplay and different game mechanics. So your videos mean nothing. They show how the battles transpired from one player's choices, not from actual canon.but to tell me i don't know what i'm talking about is silly when i can link all the fights and they don't depict the battles the way you describe them.
@JediXMan:
Since your name has Jedi, I'll probably end up taking your word for it. But I was arguing under the assumption, because I had read from an earlier arguer on the first page, that he switched saber styles on Maris Brood to one that she was unfamiliar with, and he beat her. So reading this, I assumed he beat her by using a different style, then used the force to deliver the finish. I've never gotten to read the novel, but I only assume from what I hear it over rules the game, due to reasons Silver2467 stated above(which I quoted, so you know what I'm referring to here). And being that I haven't read the novel, I assume that everything I hear about it's contents is true. But this is just to clear up any misconceptions about the true nature of my comment.
The Manslaughter Of Information Is Not A Lie.
@Andy Steven Summers: lol yeah. thats actually what made me want to buy the game.
I haven't read the novel in some time, and I am forgetting what happened during the Brood fight. Though I'd pretty sure Maris had the edge on him in that, as well. The Shaak Ti fight is the most vivid in my mind, and she was clearly the better duelist between the two. She actually owned him throughout the fight and almost killed him multiple times. Again - by the skin of his teeth, he won using the Force.
PS: Don't take my word because of the "Jedi" in my name. Ask around; it's known that Silver2467 and myself are the most knowledgeable on Star Wars.
I'm not sure, so don't quote me on it. But it seemed more like he was redirecting it than pulling it. I think I heard him say "This thing's coming down fast I gotta get outta here." Still an impressive feat, but aided by the fact that it was already falling. And I'm also not sure on this so don't quote me on it either, but he might be able to, since he's had years to hone his force and belief in himself or something. Just my speculation, though. If you want actual complete stuff, you'll have to ask JediXMan
Starkiller never pulled a Star Destroyer out of the sky. In the book, it's explicitly shown that it was coming down anyway. He redirected it. In the game, he specifically says "This thing is coming down; I gotta get outta here" and Kota says "you'll never make it in time." So no, Starkiller can't pull a Star Destroyer down.Does Yoda have a feat equal to pulling a star destroyer out of the sky?
And will this suffice? Skip to 3:25.
@lantian1 said:THAT'S WHAT I SAID! HAppy Face.Starkiller never pulled a Star Destroyer out of the sky. In the book, it's explicitly shown that it was coming down anyway. He redirected it. In the game, he specifically says "This thing is coming down; I gotta get outta here" and Kota says "you'll never make it in time." So no, Starkiller can't pull a Star Destroyer down.Does Yoda have a feat equal to pulling a star destroyer out of the sky?
And will this suffice? Skip to 3:25.
I applaud me too.
@lantian1: Plus I'm pretty sure Yoda is a Waaay better swordsman AND force wielder.
I just want to say that Palpatine let Starkiller win. The book shows this rather clearly (both the game and the book are C-Canon).Wait... The book ain't S Cannon?
@JediXMan said:Video game, graphic novel, and book are all C-Canon. They go together.I just want to say that Palpatine let Starkiller win. The book shows this rather clearly (both the game and the book are C-Canon).Wait... The book ain't S Cannon?
So according to the novel and graphic novel he doesn't pull the star destroyer down
The game specifically indicates he does pull the star destroyer down due to the minigame used in which you literally fight to yank the thing out of the sky
The book if i remember correctly had him take control of the star destroyer, containing the mass within his finger and overriding the engines, brining the star destroyer in at a steeper angle
At one point he pushed it wrongly and almost sent the star destroyer into a spin.
Nothing yoda did on that video even comes close to the weight of moving a star destroyer, over powering a star destroyers engines
Do you have any other examples?
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