Round one: saberfight
Round two: force
Round three: all out
Bonus round: Ki Adi is added to Jedi Team. It is also an all out round.
*All of these characters are ROTS version.
Yoda and Windu vs Sidious and Dooku
Yet a Sidious, who just blasted Yoda back, got clean ragdolled across the room, and was unable to react.
That wasn't ragdolling, lol. It was a simple Force push. Those happen all the time in combat, regardless of the strength of the combatants.
No, Yoda did react in the novel and clean deflected the lightning, it could not be clearer.
He deflects the first bolt, but fails to react to the second. He also fails to react to Sidious' final bolt, which resulted in his defeat.
"So easily slain, Obi-Wan is not."
"Neither are you, apparently; but that is about to change." The shadow took another step, and another.
A lightsaber appeared, green as sunlight in a forest. "The test of that, today will be."
"Even a fraction of the dark side is more power than your Jedi arrogance can conceive; living in the light, you have never seen the depth of the darkness."
The shadow spread arms that made its sleeves into black wings.
"Until now."
Lightning speared from outstretched hands, and the battle was on.
In the Senate Arena, lightning forked from the hands of a Sith, and bent away from the gesture of a Jedi to shock Redrobes into unconsciousness.
Then there were only the two of them.
Their clash transcended the personal; when new lightning blazed, it was not Palpatine burning Yoda with his hate, it was the Lord of all Sith scorching the Master of all Jedi into a smoldering huddle of clothing and green flesh.
[...]
The shadow released its power for an instant, long enough only to whirl away through the air and alight upon one of the delegation pods as it flew past, and the creature leapt to follow—
Half a second too slow.
The shadow unleashed its lightning while the creature was still in the air, and the little green freak took its full power. The shock blasted him backward to crash against the podium, and he fell.
He also fails to react in the comic book:
Twice in the junior novel:
“Your arrogance blinds you, Master Yoda,” Darth Sidious hissed. “Now you will experience the full power of the dark side.” He raised his arms, and the Force pulsed as blue lightning blasted Yoda across the room.
[...]
As he reached Palpatine’s pod, the Sith Lord hit him with another blast of blue lightning that knocked Yoda’s lightsaber out of his hand.
Twice in the movie:
And twice in the script:
The Dark Lord raises his arms, and LIGHTNING BOLTS shoot out, surrounding YODA.
YODA is picked up and thrown across the room, hitting the wall and sliding down in a crumpled heap. DARTH SIDIOUS chuckles.
[...]
YODA leaps after him, but PALPATINE quickly turns and aims the full force of his energy bolts at the tiny green Jedi, catching him in mid-air and throwing him back hard against the Podium.
That's nine times across all five depictions of the fight. Now, lets count the times Yoda has been able to react:
1.
Lightning speared from outstretched hands, and the battle was on.
In the Senate Arena, lightning forked from the hands of a Sith, and bent away from the gesture of a Jedi to shock Redrobes into unconsciousness.
–Revenge of the Sith
2.
Force lightning spat from the Emperor’s gray fingers, surrounding Yoda in a blue nimbus. But Yoda had faced Force lightning before. To deflect the first bolts, he had to stop his intended strike at the Emperor. Once his initial surprise was over, he reached out to the living Force. The lightning bent, arcing back toward the Emperor.
–Revenge of the Sith junior novel
3.
YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber but recovers with a BLAST OF ENERGY from his hands that surrounds YODA. YODA is deflecting the Sith Lord's lightning bolts.
–Revenge of the Sith script
That's three times he has succeeded in reacting, as opposed to the nine times when he has failed. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which is more consistent.
It did not take any time at all, since the 2 Jedi were outright blitzed, and Sidious was immediately upon him, and Fisto( who couldn't do more than deflect one or two strikes).
That just proves it did take time, lol. A Jedi of Windu's renown should've been able to save his comrades if he had been in Sidious' speed class. You also completely ignored my point about Sidious outfencing Windu, so I might as well accept your concession now.
It makes sense, because Windu was not only matching, but edging Palpatine in sabers.
False. When Windu's amp had not fully taken effect yet, Sidious bested him, but did not take the killing blow.
When he was fully in Vaapad, he could only be Sidious' equal at best.
Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being. Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways. He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and power into his inmost center—
And let it fountain out again. He reflected the fury upon its source as a lightsaber redirects a blaster bolt.
There was a time when Mace Windu had feared the power of the dark; there was a time when he had feared the darkness in himself. But the Clone Wars had given him a gift of understanding: on a world called Haruun Kal, he had faced his darkness and had learned that the power of darkness is not to be feared. He had learned that it is fear that gives the darkness power. He was not afraid. The darkness had no power over him. But—
Neither did he have power over it.
Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow; they became a standing wave of battle that expanded into every cubic centimeter of the Chancellor's office. There was no scrap of carpet nor shred of chair that might not at any second disintegrate in flares of red or purple; lampstands became brief shields, sliced into segments that whirled through the air; couches became terrain to be climbed for advantage or overleapt in retreat. But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.
Impasse.
Windu only managed to disarm Sidious by using Anakin's fear to amp himself further. Whether or not Sidious threw the fight, this fact remains.
He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear. Easily, almost effortlessly, he turned the shadow's fear into a weapon: he angled the battle to bring them both out onto the window ledge. Out in the wind. Out with the lightning. Out on a rain-slicked ledge above a half-kilometer drop. Out where the shadow's fear made it hesitate. Out where the shadow's fear turned some of its Force-powered speed into a Force-powered grip on the slippery permacrete. Out where Mace could flick his blade in one precise arc and slash the shadow's lightsaber in half.
One piece flipped back in through the cut-open window. The other tumbled from opening fingers, bounced on the ledge, and fell through the rain toward the distant alleys below. Now the shadow was only Palpatine: old and shrunken, thinning hair bleached white by time and care, face lined with exhaustion.
"For all your power, you are no Jedi. All you are, my lord," Mace said evenly, staring past his blade, "is under arrest."
"Do you see, Anakin? Do you?" Palpatine's voice once again had the broken cadence of a frightened old man's. "Didn't I warn you of the Jedi and their treason?"
"Save your twisted words, my lord. There are no politicians here. The Sith will never regain control of the Republic. It's over. You've lost." Mace leveled his blade. "You lost for the same reason the Sith always lose: defeated by your own fear."
Palpatine lifted his head. His eyes smoked with hate. "Fool," he said. He lifted his arms, his robes of office spreading wide into raptor's wings, his hands hooking into talons.
"Fool!" His voice was a shout of thunder. "Do you think the fear you feel is mine?"
Lightning blasted the clouds above, and lightning blasted from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to comprehend what Palpatine was talking about; he had time only to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed toward him. Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him. And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source. Palpatine staggered, snarling, but the blistering energy that loured from his hands only intensified. He fed the power with his pain.
"Anakin!" Mace called. His voice sounded distant, blurred, as if it came from the bottom of a well. "Anakin, help me! This is your chance!"
He felt Anakin's leap from the office floor to the ledge, felt his approach behind—
And Palpatine was not afraid. Mace could feel it: he wasn't worried at all.
Windu originally thought it was Sidious' fear, but then realized he wasn't afraid at all, so logically, it was Anakin's. But since Anakin isn't here, it is impossible for Windu to gain any sort of advantage over Sidious even if his Vaapad amp came into play.
In the force, it was all he could do to stay alive( which is still extremely impressive). Not to mention, Vaapad is a lightsaber form. It allows the darkness of the user etc. to come out in the form of superior dueling and physicals. The force power a user exerts is not going to be defined by his lightsaber form, and the amp was specifically for Vaapad.
Your point?
Windu, I repeat is not complete fodder, as the blog would have you believe, he does have extremely impressive merits, even in the fight itself.
You ignored all of my points about why Windu will be one-shot. Until you, or someone else refutes them, they stand.
It however does not matter here, since Yoda will be fighting Sidious. Windu already will know this. He does not need his amp. His own power levels will suffice, since Yoda and Sidious, are too evenly matched( regardless of the extremely small advantage to Sidious), and a powerful force user who can actually contribute to the fight, will only seal this in the favor of the Jedi.
No, as I've said before, Sidious can solo this team with a Force Lightning Storm. Dooku can just watch and eat popcorn. Even if he helped the Jedi, it still would not make any difference.
Windu will be unable to react to the lightning and die. Yoda will tank the blast, but if he attempts to deflect it, he will eventualy be overpowered. His lightsaber does him no good here, and his Force powers are insufficient.
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