Yhwach vs World Breaker Hulk

i don't remember saying that at all. or are you talking about @b_r023?

poisoning the well fallacy. Address the points not the arguers unrelated arguments from a different thread. You're actually fodder for this

@diydeath: It's actually pretty funny that he has to use jokes and thing he made up as proof as to why an argument i gave you is wrong.

@hypebeastcsb15: Yeah, don't worry about him, he's a troll.

Eventually he'll get banned.

Yhwach is really hax and hulk is similar to escanor, a straight tank. People are so butthurt about certain characters they refuse to think logically. Yhwach is over 1000 years old, his battle experience and tactical planning is top tier. He can see nigh infinite futures and possibilities and change it via the almighty even reviving himself if needed. He has multi dimensional AOE and while he may not have a feat of one shotting planets Frieza style he was in the process of destroying 3 dimensions 2 being unknown the exact size and another containing earth that is identical to our earth, and was going to turn all those into 1 big dimension he would rule over and he would have succeeded if not for a hax that was foreshadowed 100+ chapters ago to possibly be able to rival his almighty.

Two ways yhwach can win

BFR

Sankta Altar

How many goddamn times do I have to tell you that Hulk's power is related to his Gamma. You can't turn Hulk back to Banner if you don't take the gamma out of him. So STOP WITH THIS BULLSHIT ALREADY.

Do you seriously know anything about hulk?

@hypebeastcsb15: yeah, I'm talking about the other guy. Not you.

ok cool. good luck with that troll

Stalemate at best in Hulk's favor. Yhwach can SA him, also the op hasnt specified if this version of Yhwach has Yamamoto's Bankai (assuming he has Almighty, he has the Bankai too). Thats another way to end Hulk's sufferings of ragdolling Yhwach forever.

What is there to prove? Hulk's drain resistance feats? Another user already did so, like I mentioned in the previous post. I mean, I could copy-paste his comment here if you want, but don't think it's necessary.

Here's Hulk shrugging off Rogue's power steal attempts

Rogue has stolen the powers of Wolverine, Legion, Magneto, etc, none of whom are energy based

Anything beyond this isn't obligatory on my part. Claiming Yhwach can drain Hulk requires energy draining feats from Yhwach's side. Burden of proof isn't on me

@thetruthiii: well the whole point WAS to do your part. Plus isn't that immortal hulk?

Don't understand what you're trying to say. I did my part, and I've provided ample explanation as to how. Hulk has resisted draining from Zzaxx, Randau (who drained a Herald of Galactus), Armageddon, Elder Spikes (which I think drained stars) and even enemies using magic. I didn't think his level of energy resistance was even up for debate here.

It was Immortal Hulk, but Hulk's power is exponentially related to his anger, which is at peak levels in WBH form. Hence why World Breaker is his most powerful incarnation. It's not like he evolves and gains a completely different power set or resistances.

This thread is going around in circles, and honestly I'm getting bored. Agree to disagree with you and @diydeath

@thetruthiii: That's actually a good argument you made there.

Showing resistance to power stealing and not energy stealing is what was needed.

My only concern here is which version of Hulk is that? Does normal Hulk or WBH (they have to be from the same universe, so if they're both 616 that's what I'm looking for) have any power drain resist feats?

I don't think we should agree to disagree here because you could be right, I'm not just wanking Yhwach, I'm being objective and if that means I was wrong, that's okay.

Worst case scenario we still have Yhwach BFRing Hulk, not sure if you want to debate that (Almighty+BFR via portal).

Immortal Hulk is 616 Hulk, with no exterior amps or tacked on resistances IIRC (at least not during the Rogue feat). He just came back stronger than his previous base form after Hawkeye killed him. WBH should be superior in every way, which was a reached consensus in the Immortal vs World Breaker thread awhile back.

Glad to see you're open minded. Sorry if I come off a bit sarcastic and douchey, it's just how I debate sometimes. I never intended to debate against BFR, my point was just Yhwach can't depower nor hurt the Hulk

@thetruthiii: Then that settles that, WBH can resist Sanct Altar.

Imo that only leaves 2 options.

1) BFR

Or

2) Yama's bankai

@thetruthiii: Didn't Rogue steal all of the Avengers powers in Uncanny Avengers including Hulk?

She didn't steal it, they all gave her the power willingly to stop Exitar.

Gallery

This is what happened when she tried to steal Hulks power against his will

Gallery

Lelelel @ hulks energy manipulation even being in question. High tiers and heralds have failed to drain him on over several occasions; intentional spite.

You should read better considering that isn't what was being questioned.

Everyone is having a very hard, and wanked conversation on Yhwach defeats Hulk in a one on one, but no one has notice that Yhwach already won by BFR. ?

@diydeath: BFR is valid. What is Yama bankai going to do? Hulk has already tanked temperatures hotter than the core of the sun While in weaker incarnations.

He was taken Johnny Storms supernova to the face like nothing.

I really want to know what yama bankai is supposed to do here?

@thetruthiii: @hypebeastcsb15:

As truth said, IM hulk is post core breach Savage hulk. That hasn't changed. Not that it matter, Green scar already have over the top energy absorption/stolen feats from a character thst literally drained a watcher, surfer and Odin force thor.

I can keep going but you all get the picture. Him resisting rogue is nothing to him.

this is what WBH does to him -

WBH FTW

Isn't WBH like... completely superior in every physical stat above what the HST can handle combined? According to https://www.quora.com/How-powerful-is-world-breaker-Hulk Hulk is supposed to be High Herald Level. is Yhwach in that league or have I gotten something wrong?

I wouldn't use Loeb Force Rulk as a feat. It's a blatant case of PIS and a massive, massive outlier for Rulk as well.

Also, Rulk never drained Watcher or OF Thor, he just punched them out (which is still incredibly stupid writing). He drained Surfer (which is also incredibly stupid writing), but it's worth noting this was an inexperienced Surfer pre-Annihilation upgrade

@thetruthiii: It is not an outlier as in the story, he was written to be that strong. You can say it was a specify version of him that was that strong.

It was Odin force thor. And yes, him draining surfer can be considered stupid but you have to remember that was a OP version of him. Because in the same sorry, after Hulk beat him, he couldn't beat thor again.

So you can say he was amped in that instance.

@geeman2: these guys actually think Yhwach can hurt him let that sink in.

The entire STORY was an outlier. None of Rulk's feats in Loeb's run should ever be taken seriously. So you can't say he beat Uatu and Surfer and Dormammu but could not beat Hulk, then apply that as a legitimate Hulk feat, because Loeb didn't have a clue as to what he was doing. Rulk is not on that level. Neither is Hulk. That was my point

I am aware it was OF Thor. I even stated it in my post. Rulk didn't drain him though, just beat him with his own hammer in a panel that contradicts like 40 years worth of Thor comics and every single piece of lore regarding the Odin Force. Loeb was an idiot.

He wasn't amped in any way. Characters can beat people they've been defeated by without receiving any amps. Thor lost to Rulk the first time, then came back literally 3 or 4 pages later and knocked the shit out of him. I'm pretty sure it happened in the very same issue. Rulk also killed Hulk in Loeb's same run, but he didn't get amped either.

Reading comprehension is severely lacking on comicvine.

@geeman2:

Yhwach is actually planet level if we count him trying to wipe out/merge 3 dimensions.

Yhwach CAN revive himself from death, this is a fact. He’s not using conventional regen.

Yes, WBH shouldn’t have a legit way to put him down for good unless Yhwach runs out of reiatsu(which is either unlikely or will take way too long)

And considering what yamamoto did with his bankai, imagine what Yhwach can do when he’s leagues above him too.

Now I’m not saying Yhwach wins, and I never did. But I’m still not going to follow this whole CV logic that goes “stronger character wins cuz he’s strong”.

Just goes to show how dumb people are when nobody really made an argument for yhwach physically matching hulk idk why this keeps getting brought up.... READING IS FUNDAMENTAL

Yhwatch can use lilles ability and hit him with all pierceing light and go intangible. He definitely use all the sterns power because hes the one who gave them the power in the first place.

@godren: You should check your own comprehension skills rather than fault me broski. Draining hulk is more or less how you revert him back to banner unless you have even higher TP capabilities you aren't reverting him easily.

So please go back to wanking your favorite character as otherwise having a conversation with you is a disgusting endeavor.

Fr. Trust the average viner to imply that this fight will be some CQC H2H slugfest?

@ourmanuel: seriously. Like I’ve previously stated yhwach is a over 1000 years old and a top tier tactian, he can see possible futures like grains of sand so a nigh infinite amount of futures. He isn’t a dumbass and hulk has nothing going for him besides physical stats. Hulk has practically no way to kill him unless yhwach runs out of energy but yhwach will just BFR hulk to a dimension like Hueco Mundo before that happens.

Sounds like a garbage tier debater and salty WBH fanboy without an actual argument or anything to add to the discussion . You can't even debunk any of the points made in this thread, aside from my obvious joke about Yhwach's power being infinite. Pathetic

Well that feat would actually make Yhwach multi-planetary, but other than that you've made some good points.

Lol typical toxic clown.

I mean there are actually a plethora of ways Yhwach can deal with a brick like hulk. First off, Yhwach is faster than hulk and has the almighty, so I doubt Hulk would even be able to get close to him. Now Yhwach can just go down the list of ways he can get rid of hulk. He can just BFR him and end the fight rather quickly. But if Yhwach has all of the sternritters abilities, then he can use Grammy's "the visionary" to either turn his bones to cookies or BFR him into outer-space like Gremmy tried with kenpachi. He could use the "Yourself" ability to copy WBH powers and stats, and then use his superior combat skill , speed, and the almighty to beat hulk to a pulp. I have other ways Yhwach could beat the hulk if this wasn't enough for you.

Hulks not winning this at all lol

Wait did geeman post a vs wiki thread as a debunk?

lmfao if he only knew how vs wiki actually worked.

Ask them to who wins against building level reality warper and solar system level hulk the brick. :)

@godren: might as well have gotten a link from jokes battle.

@ourmanuel: The joke about it is I actually knows Matthew Schroeder, and he's a troll who has admitted to never even have read the series lmao.