Yhwach vs Kaguya Otsutsuki

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Posted by Gilateen (5072 posts) 11 months, 17 days ago

Poll: Yhwach vs Kaguya Otsutsuki (158 votes)

Yhwach 44%
Kaguya 48%
Stalemate 8%

•Chakra=Reiahsu

•Battle takes Place At the Shinobi war battlefield

•Win by death or K.O

Which Final villain will take it?

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#201 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: Read all your responses in Aizen's voice in my head.

It was glorious.

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#202 Posted by ourmanuel (13720 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein:

glad you enjoyed it, I made a few minor edits

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#205 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

So like after going back and reading the Kaguya fight I realized she said the fact Sasuke had Amaterasu was bad.

This points to its a threat to her.

Amaterasu's flames burn as hot as the sun.

^ That's utterly weak sauce to Yama's Bankai.

Who was putting out Flames as hot as the core of the sun 15,000,000 degrees.

Was also stated anything cut with his Bankai would be slashed then utterly burnt out of existence.

Said Bankai was also stated to be capable of destroying Soul society if left unchecked for too long.

Yhwach has this at his disposal.

If she was frightful of flames as hot as the sun she's going to be scared shitless of flames as hot as the core of the sun.

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#206 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: yet at the same time, she shrugged off the amaterasu no sweat in the lava dimension.

I don't remember why she said that nor the context behind it (Since Sasuke only used Amaterasu twice in their fight) but feats>statements. So Amaterasu was never a problem.

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#207 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: Then Kaguya is an idiot because she out right said that his Amaterasu was bad news for her.

She wouldn't have said that if it wasn't bad news unless She is an idiot.

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#208 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: Actually you're wrong she didn't shrug it off she had to absorb it.

It hits her and then she has to absorb it.

This points to it being a threat to her.

Amaterasu is weak sauce to Yama's Bankai.

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#209 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: it clearly did no damage to her before she absorbed it. And the fact that she did just absorb it shows that it isn't a problem for her.

Again, may i ask when she said that? I haven't read the manga in the while so i don't remember this statement. If she said that after sasuke broke the ice he And Naruto was frozen in, then she is clearly referring to how Amaterasu renders her ice useless.

So when exactly did she say this, so I can see the context

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#210 Edited by thelordofwisdom (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: "then she is clearly referring to how Amaterasu renders her ice useless".

Bingo. She was thinking about stopping the attack by freezing them, then realised it would be pointless due to amaterasu. That's how I've interpreted it the entire time. Pretty clear to me.

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#211 Posted by JOVIOLMA (7978 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya blitz and vaps every single Bleach character in a h2h and while bloodlusted with utterly ease.

Kaguya's Charged Chakra Punch >>> Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o Durability >>>> Everyone's durability in Bleachverse

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#212 Edited by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez said:@codevein: it clearly did no damage to her before she absorbed it. And the fact that she did just absorb it shows that it isn't a problem for her.

Again, may i ask when she said that? I haven't read the manga in the while so i don't remember this statement. If she said that after sasuke broke the ice he And Naruto was frozen in, then she is clearly referring to how Amaterasu renders her ice useless.

So when exactly did she say this, so I can see the context

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She's not just referring to the ice dimension its clear she was caught off guard because in the next panel as she says it, we see Sasuke's eye bleeding which is a tell tell sign of Amaterasu which points to her saying its bad news.

She outright remarks That's bad!!

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#213 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

Kaguya blitz and vaps every single Bleach character in a h2h and while bloodlusted with utterly ease.

Kaguya's Charged Chakra Punch >>> Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o Durability >>>> Everyone's durability in Bleachverse

You realize by scaling the top tiers have Country lvl striking defense and enough defense to stand in the core of the sun unfazed right?

Also lol at Kaguya blitzing the Almighty.

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#214 Posted by ourmanuel (13720 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

Kaguya blitz and vaps every single Bleach character in a h2h and while bloodlusted with utterly ease.

Kaguya's Charged Chakra Punch >>> Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o Durability >>>> Everyone's durability in Bleachverse

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#215 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

Kaguya blitz and vaps every single Bleach character in a h2h and while bloodlusted with utterly ease.

Kaguya's Charged Chakra Punch >>> Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o Durability >>>> Everyone's durability in Bleachverse

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#216 Posted by JOVIOLMA (7978 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein said:

You realize by scaling the top tiers have Country lvl striking defense

When they destroyed a country or anything of that sort on panel ? Actually when was even stated that they were able to destroy one or have Country Level physicals to being with ? Even if I accept that fan-fic that you are reading, fodders like Toneri can easily slice the Moon in half and the impact of the sword alone produced a huge mess when hit the ground which was cause of Blunt force, and he still fodder to KCSM Naruto who in his strongest mode was getting his 4ss kicked by Kaguya.

And by feats she one shots anyone in Bleach

Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack (八十神空撃, Yasogami Kūgeki):

"A Kekkei Mōra/Taijutsu used by Kaguya, made possible by her mastery of Chakra. She loads Chakra into her palm, and then unleashes it as a barrage of countless fists. The fist attacks can also be used defensively, and when coupled with Kaguya's perfect Dōjutsu, it has the potential to become the strongest offensive ability. The Hyūga Clan uses a similar vacuum palm attack, Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm, but there is a wide gulf in power between the two."

https://imgur.com/a/X3yIK4A

https://imgur.com/a/FuRImZY

Kaguya while suppressed was stated to be far above the Juubi, and Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara + Dual Rinnegan + Rinnesharingan + God Tree

https://imgur.com/a/3tso3tM

https://imgur.com/a/43PW70X

And this same Madara while only possessing 1 Rinnegan and Pre God Tree and Rinnesharingan was stated by Minato to be stronger than Complete Juubito.

https://imgur.com/a/O3kUbRy

Juubito without full control of the Juubi easily managed to destroy with his Chakra arms Hashirama's Gracious Dety Gates which although possess Senjutsu didn't manage to restrict his chakra arms AP

https://imgur.com/a/lCVeFeH

https://imgur.com/a/3lzJz2g

https://imgur.com/a/aI4jX1D

The same Gates that were restricting the Ten-Tails and tanking this:

https://imgur.com/a/WVTBU4V

https://imgur.com/a/itF4YIC

A smaller and weaker one was doing this:

https://imgur.com/a/rFNRUGy

He later destroyed the same Barrier that survived this stronger Bijuudama with his Chakra arms

https://imgur.com/a/VtrA3Ik

His same Chakra arms when he was with full control over the Juubi were easily destroyed by KCM Minato and KCSM Senjutsu Father and Son Rasengan but his TSBs managed to stop the attack.

https://imgur.com/a/s4zZppn

https://imgur.com/a/ecBIKVC

https://imgur.com/a/faUtCvr

She effortless overpowered Sasuke's PS Slash and disintegrated the later with a casual Charged Chakra punch.

This same Susano'o casual attack such as Chakra arrows managed to easily destroy 3 TSBs

https://imgur.com/a/t3BZDzp

This same Susano'o is far above Naruto's KCM avatar Pre-Hagoromo's Chakra, the later managed to resist a Multi-Mountain Laser

https://imgur.com/a/dUmYA5H

https://imgur.com/a/o1F2jIP

https://imgur.com/a/uXiZYqJ

And Naruto's Kurama cloak also managed to protect the Alliance Shinobi and himself from the Juubi's Tenpechii which generated energy enough to create tornado and lightnings that were wrecking mountains and a good amount of the battlefield

https://imgur.com/a/T3k6LxE

https://imgur.com/a/FVebCVX

https://imgur.com/a/yUVIjQE

Tbh, this same Susano'o easily resisted a explosion Between Six Paths Kurama's Avatar's Bijuudama and his Susano'o Chidori

https://imgur.com/a/r1tJBiY

https://imgur.com/a/YDEfp6G

The energy released should be massive, Bijuudamas can easily vaporize Mountains

https://imgur.com/a/f6aPiQt

Naruto's Kurama Avatar's Bijuudama in KCM alone was comparable to at least 5 Bijuudamas considering this feat

https://imgur.com/a/YDfCu2k

https://imgur.com/a/rKPAt2F

https://imgur.com/a/pTE1m78

https://imgur.com/a/5Ogmwhy

And Sasuke's Chidori Blade alone cut Juubi Jinchuuriki + God Tree Madara in half, this is the same Madara that was barely cut by Naruto's Lava Rasenshuriken and this same Rasenshuriken cut the Shinju Tree in half, so the energy released in their Chidori and Bijuudama clash should be massive

https://imgur.com/a/jjNKJeX

https://imgur.com/a/KQcG7AG

https://imgur.com/a/Af8ivhl

https://imgur.com/a/6uaP9SW

https://imgur.com/a/hBPkHGr

https://imgur.com/a/iJNlf09

and enough defense to stand in the core of the sun unfazed right?

Heat resistance, sure, what's your point ?

Also lol at Kaguya blitzing the Almighty.

Unless you have any impressive or relevant speed feat for Yhwach your ''lol' doesn't really means anything to me though, but okay.

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#217 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

Kaguya blitz and vaps every single Bleach character in a h2h and while bloodlusted with utterly ease.

Kaguya's Charged Chakra Punch >>> Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o Durability >>>> Everyone's durability in Bleachverse

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#218 Edited by JOVIOLMA (7978 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: Aren't you the guy that said that Shikai Kenpachi can beat Sasuke's Bijuu Susano'o ? Not sure if you are in position to judge if one's commentary is laughable cuz to be honest the idea of Kaguya beating everyone in the verse in a gauntlet style while Bloodlusted is a opinion that many good and reasonable debaters even the ones that debate for Bleach have.

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#219 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: she says, and I quote:

"To the Ice dimension... No... Indra's transmigrant has Amaterasu... That's bad!"

When you take the entire quote into context, It's clear that she's talking about the ice dimension. Otherwise, she would have mentioned the Amaterasu the first time she saw it. She is going over her options and acknowledging why they won't work, noticing how her options are limited and she is at a disadvantage. she isn't claiming that the amaterasu would hurt or kill her.

And Sasuke's rinnegan doesn't bleed from amaterasu. We can see this when he used amaterasu in the lava world, and his eyes aren't bleeding.

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#220 Edited by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: Except every time someone invokes Amaterasu their eyes bleed.

So you're blantly ignoring what we see all throughout the series.

No she clearly is saying its bad news evidenced with panic hence the !!

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#221 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: she says, and I quote:

"To the Ice dimension... No... Indra's transmigrant has Amaterasu... That's bad!"

When you take the entire quote into context, It's clear that she's talking about the ice dimension. Otherwise, she would have mentioned the Amaterasu the first time she saw it. She is going over her options and acknowledging why they won't work, noticing how her options are limited and she is at a disadvantage. she isn't claiming that the amaterasu would hurt or kill her.

And Sasuke's rinnegan doesn't bleed from amaterasu. We can see this when he used amaterasu in the lava world, and his eyes aren't bleeding.

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The series disagrees.

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#222 Posted by Bionar (975 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: its easy to comprehend guy, she was talking about the ice dimension.. Amaterastu couldnt kill juubito why would it kill her?

Besides she can only be sealed and cant be killed hence the need for the seals on their palms..

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#223 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

@ourmanuel: Aren't you the guy that said that Shikai Kenpachi can beat Sasuke's Bijuu Susano'o ? Not sure if you are in position to judge if one's commentary is laughable cuz to be honest the idea of Kaguya beating everyone in the verse in a gauntlet style while Bloodlusted is a opinion that many good and reasonable debaters even the ones that debate for Bleach have.

Kenpachi's Shikai physically sliced through a country busting meteor.

Show Sasuke's Susanoo withstand a physical blow that powerful.

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#224 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@bionar: Just because it wouldn't kill her doesn't mean it wouldn't harm her.

Her act of saying what she says in the scan and the act of her immediately absorbing it to not invoke damage after being hit by it all points to it being a threat to her.

Otherwise she wouldn't need to absorb it.

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#225 Posted by ourmanuel (13720 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

@ourmanuel: Aren't you the guy that said that Shikai Kenpachi can beat Sasuke's Bijuu Susano'o ?

Yes, I am, and I stand by the statement that kenpachi can beat sasuke in that form. On the other hand, aren’t you the same one who said that hashirama is faster than SE Ulquiorra?

Funny how out of context Ad-Hominem attacks work huh.

Not sure if you are in position to judge if one's commentary is laughable

Another ad hominem attack.

cuz to be honest the idea of Kaguya beating everyone in the verse in a gauntlet style while Bloodlusted is a opinion that many good and reasonable debaters even the ones that debate for Bleach have.

That’s an opinion held by you and you alone. As you can see from the polls, it’s pretty much 50/50 that kaguya wins. off the top of my head, I can name 2 other people who could win her in a bloodlusted fight and 2 others who have a very high chance of winning her.

Maybe actually give real reasons, backed up by feats, for why she can win the immortal, insta-teleporting prophet, rather than making ad hominem attacks and baseless opinions of other Bleach debaters.

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#226 Edited by Bionar (975 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Amaterastu can erase Yhwach out of existence based on it works.. If that were the case.. He would shed it off.. Except it was on his face then he'd be in trouble..

Anyway.. Kaguya cant be killed by Amaterastu. Dont deceive yourself.

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#227 Posted by ourmanuel (13720 posts) - - Show Bio
@bionar said:

@codevein: Amaterastu can erase Yhwach out of existence based on it works..

couldn’t erase Karin, samurai or madara’s armour In time.

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#228 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@bionar: Yama's Bankai that has far superior flames than Amaterasu couldn't even tickle Yhwach before Yhwach bisected him.

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#229 Posted by JOVIOLMA (7978 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein said:

Kenpachi's Shikai physically sliced through a country busting meteor.

The meteor never busted a country

There is no statement from Seretei as far I'm concerned that claims that is big as a Country

There is no feat from Kenny or Statement claiming that he can destroy or have Country level physicals, moot point is moot.

Show Sasuke's Susanoo withstand a physical blow that powerful.

I would like to see him destroying a Country as well, unlike Sasuke that could casually withstand his own Eletrical Arrows and 3 Bijuudamas's explosions that were destroying Kurama's Avatares that were far superior to KCSM Naruto in the Last that tanked a Moon slicer beam at his face without a scratch he also managed to match blows with Kurama's Avatares

Result ? His Susano'o wasn't even scratched

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This same chakra arms can briefly match Kaguya's Chakra arms

https://imgur.com/a/X3yIK4A

https://imgur.com/a/FuRImZY

Kaguya while suppressed was stated to be far above the Juubi, and Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara + Dual Rinnegan + Rinnesharingan + God Tree

https://imgur.com/a/3tso3tM

https://imgur.com/a/43PW70X

And this same Madara while only possessing 1 Rinnegan and Pre God Tree and Rinnesharingan was stated by Minato to be stronger than Complete Juubito.

https://imgur.com/a/O3kUbRy

Juubito without full control of the Juubi easily managed to destroy with his Chakra arms Hashirama's Gracious Dety Gates which although possess Senjutsu didn't manage to restrict his chakra arms AP

https://imgur.com/a/lCVeFeH

https://imgur.com/a/3lzJz2g

https://imgur.com/a/aI4jX1D

The same Gates that were restricting the Ten-Tails and tanking this:

https://imgur.com/a/WVTBU4V

https://imgur.com/a/itF4YIC

A smaller and weaker one was doing this:

https://imgur.com/a/rFNRUGy

He later destroyed the same Barrier that survived this stronger Bijuudama with his Chakra arms

https://imgur.com/a/VtrA3Ik

His same Chakra arms when he was with full control over the Juubi were easily destroyed by KCM Minato and KCSM Senjutsu Father and Son Rasengan but his TSBs managed to stop the attack.

https://imgur.com/a/s4zZppn

https://imgur.com/a/ecBIKVC

https://imgur.com/a/faUtCvr

While this, Sauce's Casual Susano'o arrows destroyed 3 of these things

https://imgur.com/a/t3BZDzp

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#230 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: yes, the Sharingan bleeds when it uses the Amaterasu, but Sasuke's left eye is a rinnegan now, and the rinnegan hasn't bled in response to the amaterasu.

In that scan, the amaterasu isn't activated in response to his bleeding eye. So it must be bleeding for another reason. It's not like the amaterasu is the sole reason behind sasuke's eye bleeding.

Not only that, but Kaguya has already seen the amaterasu twice before this scan and showed no worry. And we see her talking about her entire situation instead of just the amaterasu. She isn't saying the amaterasu is bad, because that makes no sense. She is saying the situation is bad. Because if she doesn't do anything, she will be sealed.

Even after sasuke used the amaterasu against her, he tells Naruto that he doubted the plan would have even worked.

Overall, it makes no sense for her to be worried about the amaterasu. And if she was worried, then it's an outlier.

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#231 Posted by ourmanuel (13720 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/seireitei-size-1979347/#js-message-5

Read post #15

And since when are bijuudamas country level.

And how does any of that help kaguya against Yhwach.

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#232 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: Literally posted a scan that says otherwise that Sasuke's Rinne bleeds.

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#233 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: the manga shows that he doesn't bleed until after he already casted the jutsu, in response to using up too much chakra.

https://www9.mangafreak.net/Read1_Naruto_697

And in gaiden, he uses amaterasu with his eye not bleeding.

https://www9.mangafreak.net/Read1_Naruto_Gaiden_The_Seventh_Hokage_9

That's two examples over your one example.

And Sasuke didn't even use amaterasu when Kaguya was talking about it. So your point is still nonexistent.

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#234 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: when it comes to the rinnegan, that is.

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#235 Posted by JOVIOLMA (7978 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, I am, and I stand by the statement that kenpachi can beat sasuke in that form.

Good to know, so I'm okay with you thinking that my commentary is funny, I will take that as a complement then.

On the other hand, aren’t you the same one who said that hashirama is faster than SE Ulquiorra?

Yes, cuz by feats posted so far on that thread he is sorry if you guys don't like the fact hat a Human that use wooden is faster than a shinigami that use Energy attacks.

Funny how out of context Ad-Hominem attacks work huh.

Yep, aren't you also the guy that said that Leo should stop arguing with Keychain and me cuz we believed that Blind Madara was faster than Raikage and BM Naruto ?

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https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/hashirama-and-tobirama-vs-ulquiorra-and-yammy-1978295/?page=3

Another ad hominem attack.

My internet is slow asf so I will say that this is a scan

(Brent's meme)

That’s an opinion held by you and you alone.

AlextheBoss who is a excellent bleach debater also believes that Kaguya wins and he is the same guy that claimed that Yhwach can solo his own verse, so no, I'm not the only one that thinks she can beat everyone in the verse in h2h while bloodlusted.

As you can see from the polls, it’s pretty much 50/50 that kaguya wins.

As I can see from the polls, Kaguya is winning, so moot point is moot.

off the top of my head, I can name 2 other people who could win her in a bloodlusted fight and 2 others who have a very high chance of winning her.

Could care less, name someone is not really proof of anything so I'm okay, I'm also okay with who you think would win this fight or who can beat her, but tagging me to post a laugh gif when my comment was never towards to you and especially when by our discussions your knowledge about Narutoverse is pretty bad is not really relevant to me and is also ironic, even if you see my comment as a sh't one, I'm pretty sure that looks far more credible(since multiple people also thinks she can wins this) than Kenny beating Sasuke's Bijuu Susano'o, and, as you can see in my previously answers, I never said that she would solo the verse, I personally don't believe that there is anyone in the Narutoverse that can solo Bleachverse, but by knowledge so far, she can handily beat everyone in the verse in h2h in a gauntlet style.

Maybe actually give real reasons, backed up by feats

I already posted multiple feats to her, you should read..... Never mind last time we argue, you ignored half of scans and couldn't debunk nothing that I said with reasonable arguments, so nvm.

for why she can win the immorta

She is also Immortal, and she can blitz him and destroy him just like she did to Sauce's PS that by scale and consistent feats is far ore durable than anyone in Bleach, how he will counter the ETSB which can destroy an entire dimension to being with ?

, insta-teleporting prophet,

Irrelevant since teleportation doesn't grants one winning in a battle Sasuke also could teleport and couldn't land a hit on her, and by quantifiable scale, feats and numbers provided by the databooks and manga he is faster than Yhwach

rather than making ad hominem attacks and baseless opinions of other Bleach debaters.

When I made baseless opinions about Bleach debaters on this thread to being with ?

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#236 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerulez: that's cool and all but after comparing all the signs of Amaterasu and in the next panel after her freaking out his left eye is starting to bleed in the same manner as Amaterasu pointing to Amaterasu.

Which makes sense as she just freaked out about it in the other panel.

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#237 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: yet the other two times she sees it, she is not bothered or intimidated by the amaterasu. And the Amaterasu isn't the only thing she is talking about.

In the end, your claim contradicts and simply doesn't align with what actually happened. Even if she was referencing the amaterasu, it would be seen as an outlier because two other times she dealt with amaterasu didn't faze or worry her.

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#238 Posted by JOVIOLMA (7978 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/seireitei-size-1979347/#js-message-5

Read post #15

Cool, ovy7 is by far one of the best Bleach debaters on his forum, tbh, him and me don't have different opinions, I also believe that Seretei is Island Size to Small Country at maximum, so I don't have a disagreement with him.

And since when are bijuudamas country level.

I don't remember claiming that they are Country Level(at least not the normal Bijuudamas such as the normal bijuus) but the Juubi is a creature hyped to being able to one shot an entire Land, and these feats are accomplished pretty casually while he was incomplete, Kaguya is far stronger than the Juubi and the Juubi Jinchuuriki, in the end of the day by statements and feats displayed on Panel Kaguya still far stronger since she is far above Mr.Glass Cannon Toneri, Sasuke, Naruto, Juubi, Juudara, Juubito, Hagoromo and Hamura.

And how does any of that help kaguya against Yhwach.

She have multiple ways to win that IMO as well Yhwach, but since I don't remember too much TP resistance feats for Almighty since he was trolled by KS, IT GG.

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#239 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: yet the other two times she sees it, she is not bothered or intimidated by the amaterasu. And the Amaterasu isn't the only thing she is talking about.

In the end, your claim contradicts and simply doesn't align with what actually happened. Even if she was referencing the amaterasu, it would be seen as an outlier because two other times she dealt with amaterasu didn't faze or worry her.

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That's clearly Amaterasu.

She registers it as a threat if she didn't she wouldn't have opted to absorb it after immediately being hit by it.

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#240 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein:

1. Wasn't using the anime

2. Is the game and isn't entirely canonical.

3. Is the anime and Isn't what happened in the manga. Where he started bleeding after he already used it, instead of before.

After she absorbed it, she is shown with zero injury, and she shows no surprise or worry in response to it. Not to mention the fact that she can absorb it is another reason why she would not worry about it.

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#241 Posted by Bionar (975 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Yama bankai gets incinerated by Amaterastu..

Wht you saying

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#242 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein:

1. Wasn't using the anime

2. Is the game and isn't entirely canonical.

3. Is the anime and Isn't what happened in the manga. Where he started bleeding after he already used it, instead of before.

After she absorbed it, she is shown with zero injury, and she shows no surprise or worry in response to it. Not to mention the fact that she can absorb it is another reason why she would not worry about it.

Showed you first the scan of it in the manga then the game then the anime yet you keep insisting his eye doesn't bleed.

If it wasn't a threat why didn't she just stay on fire and bumrush them?

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#243 Posted by ourmanuel (13720 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

Yes, I am, and I stand by the statement that kenpachi can beat sasuke in that form.

Good to know, so I'm okay with you thinking that my commentary is funny, I will take that as a complement then.

I never said your comment was funny and it wasn’t

On the other hand, aren’t you the same one who said that hashirama is faster than SE Ulquiorra?

Yes, cuz by feats posted so far on that thread he is sorry if you guys don't like the fact hat a Human that use wooden is faster than a shinigami that use Energy attacks.

That sentence was a non sequitur and hashirama isn’t faster than ulquiorra FYI.

Funny how out of context Ad-Hominem attacks work huh.

Yep, aren't you also the guy that said that Leo should stop arguing with Keychain and me cuz we believed that Blind Madara was faster than Raikage and BM Naruto ?

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https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/hashirama-and-tobirama-vs-ulquiorra-and-yammy-1978295/?page=3

Except that that wasn’t out of context, since it was on the same topic and I was referring to you thinking that hash I was faster than ulquiorra.

Another ad hominem attack.

My internet is slow asf so I will say that this is a scan

(Brent's meme)

Nice

That’s an opinion held by you and you alone.

AlextheBoss who is a excellent bleach debater also believes that Kaguya wins and he is the same guy that claimed that Yhwach can solo his own verse, so no, I'm not the only one that thinks she can beat everyone in the verse in h2h while bloodlusted.

At the top of page 4, Alex literally agreed with me that she won’t be able to kill him and that this’s could be a stalemate.

As you can see from the polls, it’s pretty much 50/50 that kaguya wins.

As I can see from the polls, Kaguya is winning, so moot point is moot.

Yes, that extra 1% must really mean that the majority of the bleach fanbase agrees with you.

off the top of my head, I can name 2 other people who could win her in a bloodlusted fight and 2 others who have a very high chance of winning her.

Could care less, name someone is not really proof of anything so I'm okay, I'm also okay with who you think would win this fight or who can beat her, but tagging me to post a laugh gif when my comment was never towards to you and especially when by our discussions your knowledge about Narutoverse is pretty bad is not really relevant to me and is also ironic, even if you see my comment as a sh't one, I'm pretty sure that looks far more credible(since multiple people also thinks she can wins this) than Kenny beating Sasuke's Bijuu Susano'o, and, as you can see in my previously answers, I never said that she would solo the verse, I personally don't believe that there is anyone in the Narutoverse that can solo Bleachverse, but by knowledge so far, she can handily beat everyone in the verse in h2h in a gauntlet style.

All that text with the personal jabs, yet you still end it with that crappy claim again.

Maybe actually give real reasons, backed up by feats

I already posted multiple feats to her, you should read..... Never mind last time we argue, you ignored half of scans and couldn't debunk nothing that I said with reasonable arguments, so nvm.

No, you posted a few feats of her chakra arms(which can’t tag Yhwach or kill him and definitely aren’t country buster or whatever you think) then you posted feats of other characters and tried to apply a crap ton of bs scaling. Just spamming scans doesn’t make you a good debater.

for why she can win the immorta

She is also Immortal, and she can blitz him and destroy him just like she did to Sauce's PS that by scale and consistent feats is far ore durable than anyone in Bleach, how he will counter the ETSB which can destroy an entire dimension to being with ?

Yet she had so much difficulty against opponents weaker and slower than him. Also, lol at her blitzing the guy that reacted to Mimihagi. And too bad Yhwach can’t truly die unless he gets hit with letz still arrows.

, insta-teleporting prophet,

Irrelevant since teleportation doesn't grants one winning in a battle Sasuke also could teleport and couldn't land a hit on her, and by quantifiable scale, feats and numbers provided by the databooks and manga he is faster than Yhwach

The first part of what you said doesn’t apply here since yhwach’s teleportation is better and mixed with his clairvoyance, pretty much makes him untouchable in fights like this. The other part about Yhwach being slower than sasuke is just false. Or maybe you’re one of those people who believe he’s relativistic.

rather than making ad hominem attacks and baseless opinions of other Bleach debaters.

When I made baseless opinions about Bleach debaters on this thread to being with ?

When you made the claim that most bleach supporters agree that she wins, despite what the polls say.

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#244 Posted by ourmanuel (13720 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:
@ourmanuel said:

@joviolma:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/seireitei-size-1979347/#js-message-5

Read post #15

Cool, ovy7 is by far one of the best Bleach debaters on his forum, tbh, him and me don't have different opinions, I also believe that Seretei is Island Size to Small Country at maximum, so I don't have a disagreement with him.

Then what was all that nonsense about seireitei not being country sized that you posted to try and lowball kenpachi.

And since when are bijuudamas country level.

I don't remember claiming that they are Country Level(at least not the normal Bijuudamas such as the normal bijuus) but the Juubi is a creature hyped to being able to one shot an entire Land, and these feats are accomplished pretty casually while he was incomplete, Kaguya is far stronger than the Juubi and the Juubi Jinchuuriki, in the end of the day by statements and feats displayed on Panel Kaguya still far stronger since she is far above Mr.Glass Cannon Toneri, Sasuke, Naruto, Juubi, Juudara, Juubito, Hagoromo and Hamura.

When was the juubi ever stated to be able to bust any land? And by feats, it’s still not been shown to be more that mountainrange+ to multi mountain range.

And how does any of that help kaguya against Yhwach.

She have multiple ways to win that IMO as well Yhwach, but since I don't remember too much TP resistance feats for Almighty since he was trolled by KS, IT GG.

Name one of her attacks that is fast and strong enough to kill yhwach. Yhwach fell under KS before he got the almighty and he still nullified it later in the fight against Aizen and ichigo. He’ll easily predict IT coming and either attack kaguya or nullify it like he’s done so many other times. Or he chops off her head from a distance.

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#245 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:
@ourmanuel said:

@joviolma:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/seireitei-size-1979347/#js-message-5

Read post #15

Cool, ovy7 is by far one of the best Bleach debaters on his forum, tbh, him and me don't have different opinions, I also believe that Seretei is Island Size to Small Country at maximum, so I don't have a disagreement with him.

And since when are bijuudamas country level.

I don't remember claiming that they are Country Level(at least not the normal Bijuudamas such as the normal bijuus) but the Juubi is a creature hyped to being able to one shot an entire Land, and these feats are accomplished pretty casually while he was incomplete, Kaguya is far stronger than the Juubi and the Juubi Jinchuuriki, in the end of the day by statementsand feats displayed on Panel Kaguya still far stronger since she is far above Mr.Glass Cannon Toneri, Sasuke, Naruto, Juubi, Juudara, Juubito, Hagoromo and Hamura.

And how does any of that help kaguya against Yhwach.

She have multiple ways to win that IMO as well Yhwach, but since I don't remember too much TP resistance feats for Almighty since he was trolled by KS, IT GG.

When taking hype and statements into account Yhwach curbs, Arguing with just feats and scaling Yhwach still beats her in the power department and the hax department.

He can simply crush her eyes through future and absorb her.

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#246 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: i never said his eye didn't bleed in the scan, I said it wasn't in response to the amaterasu, which it wasn't. The other examples are simply noncanonical.

The reason she chose to absorb it is the same reason wgy she didn't kill naruto and sasuke immediately. Because sge wants their chakra. She couldn't absorb the other jutsu as quickly, but the Amaterasu was a perfect opportunity to absorb extra chakra

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#247 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@bionar: here is how hot the Sun is.

10,000 Fahrenheit (

Here is how hot the core of the sun is.

15,000,000 degrees or Fahrenheit

You wot m8?

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#248 Posted by ourmanuel (13720 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest said:

When taking hype and statements into account Yhwach curbs, Arguing with just feats and scaling Yhwach still beats her in the power department and the hax department.

He can simply crush her eyes through future and absorb her.

@joviolma ^^ and here are the scans to prove it. When you can show how kaguya can avoid this, then you can tag me:

Gallery image 1Gallery image 2Gallery image 3Gallery image 4Gallery image 5

Replace the things he broke/cut with kaguya’s Face.

seeing as she’s unintelligent and needs her son to help her, I wonder how She’ll fare against this. Eventually Yhwach will cripple her and absorb her just like he did to reio, ichigo’s powers and ichigo and Aizen at the same time.

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#250 Posted by CodeVein (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@bionar:

@bionar said:

@codevein: Yama bankai gets incinerated by Amaterastu..

Wht you saying

@codevein said:

So like after going back and reading the Kaguya fight I realized she said the fact Sasuke had Amaterasu was bad.

This points to its a threat to her.

Amaterasu's flames burn as hot as the sun.

^ That's utterly weak sauce to Yama's Bankai.

Who was putting out Flames as hot as the core of the sun 15,000,000 degrees.

Was also stated anything cut with his Bankai would be slashed then utterly burnt out of existence.

Said Bankai was also stated to be capable of destroying Soul society if left unchecked for too long.

Yhwach has this at his disposal.

If she was frightful of flames as hot as the sun she's going to be scared shitless of flames as hot as the core of the sun.

@codevein said:

@bionar: here is how hot the Sun is.

10,000 Fahrenheit (

Here is how hot the core of the sun is.

15,000,000 degrees or Fahrenheit

You wot m8?

^

You expect weaker flames to burn flames that are stupidly beyond them out of existence?

What are you smoking can i get some?

Btw That's not wank or downplying Amaterasu it just burns not nearly hot as Yama's Bankai....