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Posted by Gilateen (4375 posts) 8 months, 25 days ago

Poll: Yhwach vs Kaguya Otsutsuki (135 votes)

Yhwach 44%
Kaguya 47%
Stalemate 8%

•Chakra=Reiahsu

•Battle takes Place At the Shinobi war battlefield

•Win by death or K.O

Which Final villain will take it?

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#152 Posted by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio
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#153 Posted by Streak619 (8029 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Yhwach supposed to hurt Kaguya at all much less kill her?

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#154 Edited by ourmanuel (12308 posts) - - Show Bio

@streak619: how is the future changing clairvoyant supposed to hurt the dummy princess??? You sure it’s not the other way round?

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#155 Posted by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@streak619: By attacking her with country level attacks over and over again till she is weared down or he jacks her power nullifies it slaps her silly then absorbs her while she is incapacitated.

While she literally can't put him down or in a Genjutsu because he's a spirit and almighty.

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#156 Edited by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: being a spirit has nothing to do with it, she can still put him in a Genjutsu

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#157 Posted by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: IT is explicitly stated to not work on the dead.

Which is what Yhwach is.

And to my knowledge that's the only Genjutsu she has at her disposal.

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#158 Edited by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Yhwach got no seals and can’t kill her.

Nullifie won’t do jack

Absorbing her won’t matter either, he has no way to kill her

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#159 Edited by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Absorbing her will do jack because he's devouring her existence and he's shown that he can absorb immortals in the form of Gerard and the left hand.

Alongside the soul king and his process of Aizen.

Yhwach has been shown to steal and nullify powers so not sure what you're on.

He does it to his Sternritters Shinigami and Ichigo including Soul king.

Consider Yama beat Yhwach in the past and they explicitly stated he was sealed for a countless years

Yes they have seals ergo Yhwach can seal her if need be.

Btw debating in your own thread with a set mind on who will already win is not allowed.

Personally I don't care if you like Naruto verse over Bleach there is somethings in Bleach that Naruto can't beat this is one of them.

And I don't even like Bleach that much smh.

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#160 Edited by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: There both my favorite and to me, you love Bleach

Don’t care if you like bleach verse over naruto cause there are a lot of things in naruto that bleach can’t beat

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#161 Edited by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: I could name several people who would annihilate Bleach and Yhwach.

Just.

Naruto verse isn't one of them.

DBZ/DBS or GT can. A certain magical index stomps its face in so hard its not funny.

Hakumen from Blazblue could solo the verse at 50% of his power.

Sol Badguy from Guilty gear solos the verse with a fraction of his power.

The list legit can keep going on but I'm sorry that no one in Naruto can nullify Almighty or permakill Yhwach.

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#162 Edited by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: I’m sorry that no one in bleach can Kill kaguya or madara.

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#163 Posted by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Besides the utter hax that bleach has over Naruto now???

Jugram could kill Madara with the balance any damage or misfortune done to him is sent back to the one who attacked this is regardless of how hard the attack hits.

Gremmy: imagines Madara as cookie dough and then he becomes cookie dough.

^^ Lmao that's the Sternreitters not even Yhwach that's two of them that could kill Madara.

Barragan Ages Madara or Kaguya for that matter into dust.

Now if you want.

I could get in direct detail why the verses and chars I named would Solo Bleach with ease if you want.

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#164 Edited by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: I really don’t care what details you have for the verse, I already know

Madara stomps barragan

Everyone knows kaguya beats barragan easily

Gremmy can imagine all he wants, that’s not gonna stop him from getting one-shored by limbo.

Even if jugram sends his attacks back at him, it won’t do anything to madara

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#165 Edited by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Except Madara or Kaguya not able to touch Barragan or get near him at all..??

Jugram who Explicitly reverses your attack back on you.

Ya know like Truth seeking balls or super destructive attacks, maybe you should start providing proof Madara could survive several of his own attacks.

Gremmy imagines Madara or Kaguya is something and they become it because he has the power of imagination and they don't have feats to resist Reality warping on this scale.

Gotei 13 would stomp Madara and KO Kaguya.

Literally this isn't even Yhwach I'm talking about.

Its like everyone thinks Bleach has stayed at the same hax and power lvl it was at when the anime ended lmao.

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#166 Edited by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Smh what’s the Gotei 13 gonna do to madara in six Paths? Nothing

Six paths madara is Soo OP even kishimoto couldn’t kill him off.

Kaguya beats them by Dimension Bust or Planet bust.

No bleach character is surviving a bijuudama, if Kenpachi can beat Gremmy, So can Madara.

Madara>>>>>>>Kenpachi

If Aizen can beat the Gotei 13 while he was in Base so can madara.

Madara doesn’t need six paths to Beat Gotei 13(FKT)

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#167 Posted by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Before I forget Royd Loyd copy Madara's or Kaguya's power and appearance and stalemate so lmao.

No.

Kaguya or Madara have zero chances of running through bleach.

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#168 Edited by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Yama could turn any Madara form to ash.

Shunshui's Bankai would end any Madara.

Aizen could beat Gotei 13 because they already saw KS lmao.

Kenpachi beat Gremmy due to plot only reason Gremmy didn't just imagine him as a bug or anything of the like was because of PIS

Kaguya wouldn't get her featless planet bust or dimension burst off before getting screwed by all the hax Gotei is packing.

Literally Kaguya planet busting is the most DBZ ass response I have heard from a non dbz verse.

Gremmy makes the Bijudama go to space like he did to Kenpachi lmao.

Jugram uses the Balance to reverse back in his face.

Barragan ages it out of existence literally Barragan only died because of his own power being turned against him in the form of a vizard.

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#169 Edited by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Madara or Kaguya can solo bleach verse.

Unless Kubo make a Bleach:Next generation anime then I’ll think about it, there you happy now, Geez

Rosy Loyd copy’s their appearance......🤣🤣🤣🤣

If Yamamoto defeated him then madara can defeat him. Madara>>>>>>Yamamoto

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#170 Posted by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Yama beat a Royd loyd who copied a restricted Yhwach's power and still had to use his Bankai against him 😂😂😂😂😂

FYI he copies the current lvl of power of the opponent.

Kaguya is screwed.

Madara in whatever form he has stopped at Royd Loyd would copy and stalemate him.

Literally only reason he wasn't as Strong as Yhwach is because he copied Previous Yhwach lmao.

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#171 Edited by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: > Says Madara or Kaguya could solo bleach.

>Never explains how they get by All the overwhelming hax that will push there shit in.

> Jugram, Gremmy, Royd Loyd, Gotei 13, Barragan legit have no answer for any of them.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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#172 Posted by KingogKings777 (2312 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein said:

Kaguya could literally Dimension dump Yhwach where ever she wants and he would just dimension jump back.

The eternal game of tag

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#173 Edited by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: they have no answer to TSB or bijuudama, so yes, Madara beats the Gotei 13, Royd, Gremmy, Jugram, And Barragan.

So deal with it

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#174 Posted by KingogKings777 (2312 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein said:

@gilateen: Yama could turn any Madara form to ash.

Shunshui's Bankai would end any Madara.

Aizen could beat Gotei 13 because they already saw KS lmao.

Kenpachi beat Gremmy due to plot only reason Gremmy didn't just imagine him as a bug or anything of the like was because of PIS

Kaguya wouldn't get her featless planet bust or dimension burst off before getting screwed by all the hax Gotei is packing.

Literally Kaguya planet busting is the most DBZ ass response I have heard from a non dbz verse.

Gremmy makes the Bijudama go to space like he did to Kenpachi lmao.

Jugram uses the Balance to reverse back in his face.

Barragan ages it out of existence literally Barragan only died because of his own power being turned against him in the form of a vizard.

The weird part of that is that he went the other way since he wanted to imagine himself as strong as Kenpachi which is lol

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#175 Posted by KingogKings777 (2312 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen said:

Unless Kubo make a Bleach:Next generation anime

Don't jinx this man I need it.

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#176 Edited by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: TSBs get sent into space by Gremmy or Jugram sends them back at them killing or wounding them.

Barragan AGES Energy.

Say it with me now AGES Energy this includes attacks.

Royd loyd copies their powers and memories thus using their own attacks on them lmao.

Shunsui bankai's and uses all of his Dans on Madara. Kaguya is an issue for just him and she would beat him but all Gotei 13 will slap her.

Ichibei of squad 0 makes them both powerless and gives them new names XD

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#177 Edited by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingogkings777: Gremmy really was an idiot due to plot.

But I guess Kubo couldn't have him just end Kenpachi because then the next chapters would all have went to shit.

Instead Gremmy kills himself due to his imagination. XD

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#178 Posted by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: I’ll say it again

Kaguya Slaps The Gotei 13

Barragan isn’t aging a Bijuudama

Ichibei loses to Juubito

ROYD loses again like with Yamamoto, Copies or not.

Shunsui’s Bankai isn’t killing Madara. You should know by now that Absorbing the divine tree means immortality.

Will you just get over it, Geez?

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#179 Posted by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingogkings777: you stay out of this unless you thinking The same think @CodeVein is thinking

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#180 Posted by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Gives Madara immortality with God tree after absorbing. This most certainly doesn't point to you being afraid he will die.

Doesn't counter any of my points.

Just says Bijudama will blow every thing away lmao.

You're terrible at debating.

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#181 Posted by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein:

Afraid to admit I’m right.

So what if I’m a terrible debater

You must really hate naruto.

Both series are my favorite but you Just love wanking bleach.

Learn how to think right buddy

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#182 Posted by KingogKings777 (2312 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen said:

@kingogkings777: you stay out of this unless you thinking The same think @CodeVein is thinking

That our great lord and savoir chicken lille(or just lille) can solo all of naruto?

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#183 Posted by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: >Says I'm a wanker for pointing out everyone in Bleach's power how it exactly works without putting any assumptions or wank on it.

> Gets told I'm wanking Bleach when no Naruto character can steamroll it.

> Says I wank Bleach when I don't care for it much and outright named several people and Verses that will kill it.

I'm dying I actually am dying of laughter.

Afraid to admit you're right. Are you a kid?

Backup why you are right.

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#185 Edited by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: I am a kid so what’s your point?

I find it very funny that you Fake not liking bleach and wank it when deep inside you do love bleach and say they win without thinking. I find it very amusing

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#187 Edited by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Learn to debate.

And stop telling people they are wanking when they tell you exactly what the people you're arguing about can do and how they can counter said attacks.

Btw I can name plenty of Naruto chars that would stomp people too.

Hardly hate Naruto.

Itachi is my favorite Char.

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#190 Posted by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: he is.

Especially was badass how he broke out of reanimation before teaching Naruto about how to deal with Planetary devastation.

Sealing Nagato then later using Izanami against Kabuto was lit.

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#191 Posted by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: So because I know all about Bleach and have watched both Naruto and Bleach and read both Mangas I hate Naruto and wank bleach even though all the information I have got is from the source material?

(Granted I read Naruto before I read Bleach and Bleach is more fresh in my mind but I still remember pretty much all of Naruto)

I also have thinked and used my brain hence I brought up opposition to why Kaguya or Madara can't solo Bleach while you go Bijudama blows through shit that can BFR it or send it right back at their faces or age it into dust.

Smh...

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#192 Posted by Gilateen (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Bijuudama will go through aging whether you like or not.

I don’t care what you say Kaguya and madara solos bleach.

End of discussion

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#193 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18610 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen said:

@kingogkings777: Lillie gets stomped by Kakashi

You mean DMS right? Because any other version of Kakashi is fodder to Lillie.

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@streak619: how is the future changing clairvoyant supposed to hurt the dummy princess??? You sure it’s not the other way round?

I'm quite certain my question stands yes.

@codevein said:

@streak619: By attacking her with country level attacks over and over again

Kaguya tanked 9 country level energy attacks with a few scratches. Yhwach is going to have to throw thousands to do any real damage. Add to the fact that she is a chakra being with regen equal to or superior to that of Madara who has no problems regening half his body. How is Yhwach going to end the fighg

till she is weared down

Worn*. Something that won't happen with her regen.

or he jacks her power

What?

nullifies it

How does this work?

slaps her silly

The slap would have to be high multi mountain+.

then absorbs her while she is incapacitated.

How does this ability work?

While she literally can't put him down

What are his durability, speed, and hax resistances?

or in a Genjutsu because he's a spirit

Edo tenseis are not to be compared with spirits.

and almighty.

What?

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#196 Posted by CodeVein (1356 posts) - - Show Bio

@streak619: Edo tensei's are Dead.

Spirits are dead.

^

Her Genjutsu won't work.

You realize a country is far bigger than a mountain right?

Btw I'm talking striking so he will very much slap her silly.

How does he nullify or Take powers?

Via the use of his A. The almighty.

Hax resistances?

Almighty shows him everything she will do or he shifts the timeline to where she won't ever touch him unless he wants her to.

Durability should be casually country level.

Far faster than lightning.

Almighty also makes him faster and he can overwrite his deaths with it.

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@streak619: Edo tensei's are Dead.

Spirits are dead.

^

Association fallacy.

You realize a country is far bigger than a mountain right?

You realise she tanked 9 country busters right?

Btw I'm talking striking so he will very much slap her silly.

What's his striking strength? And you do realise she has regen right?

Via the use of his A. The almighty.

I meant describe the ability, how it functions and whether there are any conditions

Almighty shows him everything she will do or he shifts the timeline to where she won't ever touch him unless he wants her to.

There wouldn't exist timeline where she can't touch him because she is faster and has dimendional hax, and precog

Durability should be casually country level.

Not good enough to beat a planet pulveriser.

Far faster than lightning.

How much faster?

Almighty also makes him faster and he can overwrite his deaths with it.

I see. So even if he dies he can come back after?

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#198 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

I doubt Ywhach has anything that will permanently damage Kaguya. He can try to absorb him, but as we've seen, one must do a major "Tug of war" with the Chakra user to take their power. So it isn't as simple as one would think.

Other than that, Kaguya is simply too tough for Ywhach.

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#199 Posted by LPercepts (558 posts) - - Show Bio

I doubt Ywhach has anything that will permanently damage Kaguya. He can try to absorb him, but as we've seen, one must do a major "Tug of war" with the Chakra user to take their power. So it isn't as simple as one would think.

Other than that, Kaguya is simply too tough for Ywhach.

This. I can't really think of anything Yhwach has that could measurably affect Kaguya.

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@ourmanuel said:

@streak619: how is the future changing clairvoyant supposed to hurt the dummy princess??? You sure it’s not the other way round?

I'm quite certain my question stands yes.

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@streak619: By attacking her with country level attacks over and over again

Kaguya tanked 9 country level energy attacks with a few scratches. Yhwach is going to have to throw thousands to do any real damage. Add to the fact that she is a chakra being with regen equal to or superior to that of Madara who has no problems regening half his body. How is Yhwach going to end the

“Please post proof that any of their attacks were country level. I think people forget what the term means”

till she is weared down

Worn*. Something that won't happen with her regen.

“Yet zetsu had to mention the fact that she should conserve her chakra”

or he jacks her power

What?

“Like he did to reio and ichigo. And was later in the process of doing to ichigo and Aizen”

nullifies it

How does this work?

“I dunno, ask ichibe and maybe Aizen.”

slaps her silly

The slap would have to be high multi mountain+.

“Or he chops off her arm or eyes”

then absorbs her while she is incapacitated.

How does this ability work?

Ask reio or ichigo or Aizen.

While she literally can't put him down

What are his durability, speed, and hax resistances?

He reacted to mimihagi, can teleport and can stop ichigo’s bankai-hollow cero-gatensho. Not to mention kaguya has no reasonable hax

or in a Genjutsu because he's a spirit

Edo tenseis are not to be compared with spirits.

Really? Well then he either predicts the attack And nullifies it, or he predicts the attack and attacks her either from the future or directly.

and almighty.

What?

You know, that ability that makes him a walking “ha-I-win” hax machine.

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@codevein said:

@streak619: Edo tensei's are Dead.

Spirits are dead.

^

Association fallacy.

“It can’t work on the undead in its verse yet you think it’ll work on a spirit from another verse. Interesting...”

You realize a country is far bigger than a mountain right?

You realise she tanked 9 country busters right?

“I have never seen a single reputable calc that puts any of their attacks at that.”

Btw I'm talking striking so he will very much slap her silly.

What's his striking strength? And you do realise she has regen right?

“I’m pretty sure his striking strength is appropriate seeing as naruto easily ripped off on of her arms just by trying and Sakura was able to knock her back down with her punch.”

Via the use of his A. The almighty.

I meant describe the ability, how it functions and whether there are any conditions

“The ability to see and alter the future. Many applications including teleportation, bypassing defenses and destroying things from the future”

Almighty shows him everything she will do or he shifts the timeline to where she won't ever touch him unless he wants her to.

There wouldn't exist timeline where she can't touch him because she is faster and has dimendional hax, and precog

“”She is faster” lol, you gonna prove that. Also he didn’t get tagged by mimihagi. Also he can teleport. Try again.”

Durability should be casually country level.

Not good enough to beat a planet pulveriser.

“Funny cuz the naruto community are always the ones screeching “FeATs NoT StAtEmEnTs”. In that case, Yhwach is triple dimension. And what does being a planet pulverized have to do with durability?”

Far faster than lightning.

How much faster?

”teleportation and keeping up with the likes of mimihagi and ichigo who’d been lightning since SS arc unless the data book was wrong”

Almighty also makes him faster and he can overwrite his deaths with it.

I see. So even if he dies he can come back after?

“Yes, yet The only time he died( without the arrow) had to include Aizen casting illusions on him. It’s not gonna work for the dummy princess.”

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