Yhwach vs Kaguya Otsutsuki

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Posted by Gilateen (4898 posts) 10 months, 17 days ago

Poll: Yhwach vs Kaguya Otsutsuki (154 votes)

Yhwach 45%
Kaguya 47%
Stalemate 8%

•Chakra=Reiahsu

•Battle takes Place At the Shinobi war battlefield

•Win by death or K.O

Which Final villain will take it?

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#51 Posted by TheEmperor95 (2009 posts) - - Show Bio
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#52 Posted by ourmanuel (12971 posts) - - Show Bio

It’s funny how no one selected stalemate even though both are immortal(unless Yhwach can absorb her)

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#53 Edited by thelordofwisdom (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: Being immortal is nothing new in Naruto and that's why sealing exists. It doesn't kill, just seals them away.

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#54 Posted by AlexTheBoss (19060 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: Kaguya is immortal so I don't think that would work.

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#55 Posted by KalebMcShaw (102 posts) - - Show Bio

IDK why people have a hard time believing yhwach is >=planet level when he was going to destroy both worlds (soul society was confirmed to be a planet in kubo's one-shot manga), we even have other sources (askin) confirming yhwachs goal : "NakkLeVaar: Aren’t you curious to see... / ...what His Majesty is going to create... // ...once he’s destroyed three entire worlds?" . Same way kaguya's final attack was going to destroy the world, I don't discredit that even though the attack didn't go through. We have yamamoto who is far inferior to SK yhwach stating his bankai could destroy all of soul society if he loses control. There is a feat in the move "memories of nobody" ( which is considered psuedo cannon as it is referenced directly in the manga, and one of it's plot points is used in the manga), where a bunch of stray souls had the power to move the human world and SS to eventually cause them to collide and be destroyed, the soul king is far superior to this as it controls the entire system of souls, and when the soul king died it caused planet wide earth quakes (confirmed in the novels) for both the human world and SS, this stuff is trivial as even yhwachs dead body holds enough power to be the soul king. But no yhwach is only city level or w.e lol

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#56 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: Pretty sure Yhwach would have devoured Aizen who was immortal had he not been ended by plot.

Was on the verge of devouring Ichigo only for Uryu's plot arrow to pierce him.

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#57 Edited by thelordofwisdom (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: "Pretty sure"

Well. You opinions are not facts. As far as we know, he can't.

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#58 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: Despite him being in the process of devouring Soul society??

Really?

What. Would you want a what if he did succeed and it showed him achieve his goal all the way through to prove that he could?

That's the same I could say for Kaguya with her ball then.

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#59 Posted by AlexTheBoss (19060 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Yhwach was able to do that since he was much stronger than Aizen. Kaugya is stronger than Yhwach so him doing that is unlikely.

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#60 Edited by thelordofwisdom (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Soul society and immortal is not the same thing. The first one could get destroyed through damage, the second can't.

That's the same I could say for Kaguya with her ball then.

Her ball is scaled of the other truth seeking balls, including Toneri's who could split the Moon in half by injecting his chakra into a small Truth-Seeking Ball. Kaguya's chakra level is way above Toneri, like crazy above and her Expansive Truth Seeking Ball is gigantic in size. So no, you can't really say the same.

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#61 Edited by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: Not really Because Yhwach's objective was to destroy 3 worlds and make one.

If he wasn't this much of a threat hardly anyone would have took him serious but everyone was bumrushing him like it was the end of the world.

People don't over react especially since everyone in Soul society knows what the Soul king did and stood for including Yhwach.

Does that mean I think he can planet bust?

No but he can life wipe given enough time and we saw the start up process of it.

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#62 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: first the moon is hollow so that doesn't mean crap.

2nd Aizen took damage despite being immortal and had Yhwach had no means to deal with Aizen due to being immortal he would have expressed this.

Instead he just asks if he would stand in his way.

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#63 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: Now you tell me.

If someone was truly immortal and he had no way of dealing with them would he fight them?

Hell no Yhwach has been shown to be exceptionally clever at exploiting and reading the enemy.

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#64 Edited by thelordofwisdom (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: "first the moon is hollow so that doesn't mean crap" I'll just ignore this reply. You completely ignored what I tried to tell.

2nd Aizen took damage despite being immortal and had Yhwach had no means to deal with Aizen due to being immortal he would have expressed this. Instead he just asks if he would stand in his way.

So, you've got no way to proof that Yhwach can absorb immortal beings. Well, he ain't defeating Kaguya then.

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#65 Posted by ourmanuel (12971 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: it’s debatable if kaguya is really stronger than Yhwach.

Even then, he absorbed the soul king’s powers didn’t he and the soul king was more powerful than him by a monumental margin.

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#66 Posted by TheEmperor95 (2009 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: absorbing has never worked that way in fiction. Obito and madara absorbed the ten tails despite being weaker, black zetsu did the same to madara despite being weaker, buu absorbed gohan despite being weaker, yhwach absorbed the soul king despite being weaker.

You don't need to be stronger than your opponent to absorb

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#68 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: So then Kaguya has no way to deal with Yhwach who will eventually wear her down and KO her and then do something with her.

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#69 Edited by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

This is of course us ignoring the Bankai powers he has stolen aswell.

Which he outright told Yama that he was going to ressurect his Shinigami like he pulled on Royd loyd.

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#70 Posted by thelordofwisdom (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: Pretty sure Aizen is still alive. So he couldn't absorb him in the end. Explain this.

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#71 Posted by thelordofwisdom (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: "So then Kaguya has no way to deal with Yhwach who will eventually wear her down and KO her and then do something with her".

As I've already told you, Naruto characters have ways of getting rid of immortal characters. Kaguya wins against Yhwach. It's a fact.

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#72 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: Aizen was alive because Uryu shoots the damn plot arrow right as Ichigo and Aizen are being Absorbed.

This disables his power long enough for Ichigo to kill him.

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#73 Posted by diydeath (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

I still see no explaination as to how Kaguya bypasses The Almighty from nullifying her powers.

Or how she can counter Yhwqch from future killing her Truth Seeking Balls (expanding or otherwise).

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#74 Edited by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: By sealing him which only worked on past Yhwach before the Blood wars arc?

Because Almighty will and is going to shift the timeline so its in his favor.

Her IT won't work according to its Info those dead it won't work on

Yhwach is a spirit.

Won't seal him because he will see all her moves and techniques from a mile away and plan accordingly.

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#75 Edited by thelordofwisdom (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: How could we conclude that Yhwach could absorb immortal characters if he never fully did that? Did he absorb any other immortal character that we know of?

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#76 Posted by TheEmperor95 (2009 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: what exactly prevent immortals from getting absorbed? The tailed beast prove that immortals can be absorbed

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#77 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: by the absolute utter fact he was now a higher level existence from absorbing the soul king with it set in his mind he would destroy 3 worlds and make 1.

By him not giving a crap that Aizen was his opponent and knowing he was immortal. He legit knew Aizen was immortal he observed the whole fake Katakura town incident.

He legit doesn't care meaning he either had a way to deal with Aizen despite being immortal or.

He would have absorbed him like it was showing him doing before Uryu appears.

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#78 Posted by AlexTheBoss (19060 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: it’s debatable if kaguya is really stronger than Yhwach.

Even then, he absorbed the soul king’s powers didn’t he and the soul king was more powerful than him by a monumental margin.

Well the soul king was just kind of there and couldn't fight back.

@alextheboss: absorbing has never worked that way in fiction. Obito and madara absorbed the ten tails despite being weaker, black zetsu did the same to madara despite being weaker, buu absorbed gohan despite being weaker, yhwach absorbed the soul king despite being weaker.

You don't need to be stronger than your opponent to absorb

Depends on how they go about absorbing the thing. Also the 10 tails is meant to be absorbed into a host, and Uchiha are good at controlling tailed beasts.

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#79 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: By that same Logic Yhwach is good at Absorbing powers and Bankai.

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@theemperor95: Who in Bleach can absorb immortal beings again? Show the chapter where it happens. I can show you Naruto characters absorbing immortal beings.

@codevein: So you're relying on your wishes and not facts. How is this a debate? I'm telling you feats and scaling, and you're throwing assumptions at me.

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#81 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: Yhwach can as that's what he was doing to Aizen and Ichigo before a plot arrow stopped him, alongside him destroying the soul society.

Also you're the one who listed your opinion as fact, reccommend you tone down that.

Because she legit has no way to kill Yhwach and prevent him from returning let alone sealing him Because he will already see what she is doing by a very large margin it would be like watching a puppet dance.

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#82 Posted by Gilateen (4898 posts) - - Show Bio

The poll is in Kaguya’s favor

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#83 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Polls are hardly of importance.

Anyone could make an alt and hit whoever they want to win or make a ridiculous amount of Alts and tilt the outcome.

This is hardly taken seriously due to that.

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#84 Edited by thelordofwisdom (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: I just read the chapter again and can't see what's happening to Aizen in there. He just got caught and that's all we know. Why are you assuming things?

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#85 Posted by Gilateen (4898 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: everyone knows that yhwach has no way of killing kaguya

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#86 Edited by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: read further and then you see that Ichigo starts to get devoured by the blackness that is encompassing Yhwach same with Soul society.

Aizen was in the same position they both were had Uryu not shown up he would have destroyed Ichigo Aizen and the soul society.

Hell Uryu is sweating balls that Ichigo wasn't going to make it in time and that they were all screwed.

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#87 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Takes her power nullifies it then beats her like a stepchild then chooses whatever the hell he wants to do with her either absorb her or go seal her.

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@codevein: "rear further and then you see that Ichigo starts to get devoured by the blackness that is encompassing Yhwach same with Soul society Aizen was in the same position they both were had Uryu not shown up he would have destroyed Ichigo Aizen and the soul society".

We know that Yhwach can absorb mortal beings. Ichigo is mortal and we cannot compare him to Aizen, who's immortal. You can't therefore say the same about the two of them in the same context.

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#90 Edited by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: We can to Because he absorbed a higher being than mortal in the soul king.

So yes we can.

Yhwach engaged Aizen in battle knowing he was immortal knowing Aizen couldn't beat him and that he had ways of getting rid of Aizen.

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#91 Posted by TheEmperor95 (2009 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: yhwach seeing as how he absorbed the soul king a being that existed for a million years before said incident

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#92 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Then Kaguya isn't planet level either.

But too Bad he is a Life wiper.

A life wiper that Kaguya can't put down or deal with.

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#93 Posted by ourmanuel (12971 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: lol

Then again kaguya isn’t exactly high in the intelligence area seeing as zetsu had to be directing her in her fight and even told her to not use up all her chakra. Against the almighty, she might as well be defenseless. Madara is honestly a better matchup imo since he actually knows what he’s doing.

Also, Aizen wasn’t “just kinda there and couldn’t fight back”. Same with ichigo too and his reiatsu at that point was comparable to yhwach’s. Yet he was still able to absorb both of them at the same time.

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#94 Edited by Gilateen (4898 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Six paths characters are capable Of Planet Busting and yhwach has Nothing to kill her

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#95 Posted by thelordofwisdom (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Is the Soul King immortal. Does it say it anywhere?

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#96 Posted by diydeath (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelordofwisdom: There are several types of immortality. The SK had to be immortal in 2 ways.

1) He was cut into pieces then sealed yet still was alive, as were his limbs that had been cut off.

2) The SK had been around for at least a few thousand years.

So yes, the SK is a type of immortal, perhaps even 2 types of immortal.

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#97 Posted by TheEmperor95 (2009 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: lol you're saying statements from naruto make 6 paths characters planet busters but statements from bleach don't make yhwach a planet buster? That's literal bias

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#98 Posted by Gilateen (4898 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: so your expecting me to say yhwach is planet level?

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#99 Edited by thelordofwisdom (251 posts) - - Show Bio

@diydeath: Is he this kind of immortal? 1) He was cut into pieces then sealed yet still was alive, as were his limbs that had been cut off. Could you provide the chapter where it's stated? Can his body parts regenerate no matter the damage?

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#100 Posted by CodeVein (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Six paths chars just because they have a move called planetary devastation doesn't mean they can planet bust smh.

Not like it would matter Because they would never get it off because Ywhach would just shift the timeline.

This isn't like he's fighting DBZ where he is massively outclassed he very much can fight and beat Kaguya relatively easy.