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#1 Posted by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

Sternritter army

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Rules

  • Chakra=Reiatsu

  • No knowledge

  • One week of preparation

  • The fight starts in Las Noches

Which team wins?

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#2 Posted by ovy7 (1928 posts) - - Show Bio

So Chakra=Reiatsu and 1 week of prep?

Yhwach and co. takes this. The Almighty negates the no knowladge thing (Yhwach can just look into the future), and because of chakra=reiatsu, they can simply stole their enemy powers (especially Yhwach).

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#3 Posted by ovy7 (1928 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, Gear, well definitely need your Oprah gifs here, I'm very certain of this.

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#4 Posted by Chimeroid (9175 posts) - - Show Bio

Too much NLF in the Bleach team.

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#5 Edited by KingogKings777 (1595 posts) - - Show Bio

RIP Otsutuki

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#6 Posted by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

@ovy7 said:

Also, Gear, well definitely need your Oprah gifs here, I'm very certain of this.

Who is Oprah? I've never heard of him.

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#7 Posted by ovy7 (1928 posts) - - Show Bio

@gear4god said:
@ovy7 said:

Also, Gear, well definitely need your Oprah gifs here, I'm very certain of this.

Who is Oprah? I've never heard of him.

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#9 Edited by iUseMyCajonas (4123 posts) - - Show Bio

This is pretty dumb lol. All of these characters have extremely distinct abilities that have insane levels of depth and variety, it’s quite literally impossible to debate this withouth writing a 10 page essay.

I’ll go with Bleach since their hax is way better. But honestly this fight is silly to me.

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#10 Posted by Jko1 (2437 posts) - - Show Bio

Sternritters win. Too much hax.

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#11 Posted by Jko1 (2437 posts) - - Show Bio

Also inb4 500 post flame war

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#12 Posted by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

This is pretty dumb lol. All of these characters have extremely distinct abilities that have insane levels of depth and variety, it’s quite literally impossible to debate this withouth writing a 10 page essay.

I’ll go with Bleach since their hax is way better. But honestly this fight is silly to me.

You'd better start writing ;)

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#13 Posted by BrownZeus (864 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas: Your argument make sense. I do not like 10 page essays so I will stay away from this one.

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#14 Posted by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

@brownzeus: I wrote a 15-page dissertation about hippocampal neurogenesis. Wanna see it?

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#15 Posted by iUseMyCajonas (4123 posts) - - Show Bio

@gear4god: Maybe, but the instant someone types out the word stomp? I’m out.

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#18 Posted by kasya_carey (5316 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas: stomp :) lol jk too much hax what can the clan do again (unknown members)

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#19 Posted by katanalauncher (3497 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya solos, hax doesn't matter in face of overwhelming firepower advantage, this is especially true in Bleach verse.

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#20 Posted by olajoe1 (406 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya planet busts.

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#22 Edited by deactivated-5b17f1b84ea5f (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

Shaz Domino solos because i said so.

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#23 Edited by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

@brownzeus: The first 2 pages:

ABSTRACT

It has long been assumed that depression is caused solely by an imbalance of neurotransmitter levels in the brain. The pervading treatment has been influenced by the monoamine theory, which suggests that insufficient levels of serotonin and norepinephrine are the sole cause of depression. Treatment by antidepressants seeks to modulate the level of neurotransmitters in the synapse. It is now suggested that depression is strongly correlated with a shrinkage in the hippocampus. Evidence suggests that the brains of individuals who undergo remission through have hippocampal regrowth. Current research focuses on developing drugs which promote neurogenesis. This article investigates the effect of stress-induced depression on hippocampal volume. It also investigates mice who lack p21Cip1. Such mice had increased neural growth in the hippocampus. It is suggested that antidepressants promote hippocampal neurogenesis by inhibition on p21.

BACKGROUND

Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) is a chronic mental illness, which is identified by more than two weeks of persistent low mood (American Psychiatric Association 2013). MDD may coincide with a lowered self-esteem, anhedonia, lethargy and, in severe cases, physical pain, (NIMH 2016). While neurobiological, genetic, environmental and psychological correlates exist, the underlying cause remains unknown. Due to this, it has been argued that current treatments are based on an incomplete science of the brain and mind.

THE CURRENT MODEL AND LIMITATIONS

Until recently, the pervading idea in neuropsychopharmacology is that mood is regulated solely by neurotransmitter levels. This was evidenced by the reduction of tryptophan (a serotonin precursor) being strongly correlated with depression (Ruhé et al., 2007). Treatment is based on this theory, with antidepressants designed to modulate neurotransmitter levels in the brain (Wasserman, 2011). Now, further evidence shows that this model is simplistic and unexhaustive; diminished serotonin levels does not always cause depression in healthy individuals, suggesting neurotransmitter depletion is not a necessary condition for MDD. Moreover, Fourneier (2010) shows that antidepressants appear to work only on those with severe depression, suggesting that there are other contributing factors.

Indeed, many have viewed this biomedical approach to the science of the mind as myopic reductionism. Neuroscience has been focusing too much on the molecular basis of psychology, without considering the effect that these microunits have on larger cell systems, networks (the connectome), and brain centres. Moreover, it has not considered the role environmental and psychological factors contribute to brain chemistry and wiring. For example, evidence suggests that early childhood trauma is linked to adulthood depression since this is a period when brains are mostly plastic, and behavioural

niches are formed. Overcoming such ingrained experience is difficult to overcome. This biopsychosocial model attempts to integrate biology, psychology and sociology (environmental factors) to better understand (mental) health.

THE HIPPOCAMPUS AND DEPRESSION

The hippocampus is a brain organ located in the inner-brain or limbic system. It is responsible for consolidation of long-term memory, emotion and mood regulation, and spatial navigation (Eisch & Petrik 2012). In depressed individuals, the hippocampus is significantly smaller than average (Sapolsky 2001). A meta-analysis from 9000 participants (1728 with MDD and 7199 controls) revealed that depressed patients have between a 1.24% and 5.11% decrease in hippocampal volume compared to their healthy counterparts (Schmaal et al. 2015). It is suggested that environmental and psychological/emotional stress reduces neural proliferation in this brain region, dendritic proliferation between neurons is reduced, and pre-existing neurons die (Czeh et al. 2001).

Fortunately, this ablation is countered by antidepressants- treatment by the antidepressant tianeptine reduced dendrite retraction in rats (Sapolsky 2001). Moreover, humans who undergo therapies (medical or psychological) are shown to have remission of neural atrophy. This has created a new theory, named the neurogenic hypothesis of depression, which theorises that depression is caused by an impediment to neural growth.

ROLE OF p21Cip1 IN DEPRESSION

p21 (a cyclin-dependent kinase inhibitor) prevents the cycle of cell progression and production (Pechnick & Chesnokova 2009). It is found in young neurons and neoblasts in the hippocampal sub-granular zone. In mice, administration of tricyclic antidepressants prevents transcription of p21 and promotes neurogenesis. It is deduced that p21 inhibits neurogenesis in humans and that antidepressants promote neural growth by decreasing the expression of p21.

DISCUSSION

There have been few maladies as incapacitating as MDD. With no exact biological and psychological precursor known, treatment is problematic. The causal factors of MDD include; biological, genetic, neurological, sociological, cognitive, environmental and psychological bases. It is too simplistic to postulate a single aetiology, as many factors interrelate. The studies indicate that new research is needed on the role of antidepressants on the hippocampus. While neurogenesis is positively affected by tricyclics and tryptophan, these results cannot be inferred to SNRIs and SSRIs. Drug development should now focus on promoting neuron proliferation. Also, results from laboratory animals cannot be generalized to humans. Medical trials shall be commenced once drugs have been tested on animals with close morphological and chemical resemblance, and evolutionary relationship to humans.

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#24 Posted by AlexTheBoss (15770 posts) - - Show Bio

Ootsutsuki clan is probably too powerful.

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#25 Posted by ovy7 (1928 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm gonna post here a summary of the SternRitters abilities. Credit to Reddit user IMadeThisOn6-28-2015, as I've got those from his Yhwach RT.

A - The Anti-Thesis:

A - The Anti-Thesis is Uryū's Schrift and it is one of the most powerful abilities in Bleach despite being so simple. The ability allows Uryū to switch anything that has already happened among two selected targets. Such as switching the damage done to himself with Haschwalth, thus leaving Haschwalth with his injuries and Uryū with Haschwalth's injuries.

B - The Balance:

B - The Balance is Haschwalth's Schrift that allows him to manipulate the fortune and misfortune that occurs within his sphere of influence, and he says himself; the manipulation in order to maintain the balance of fortune in the world. Furthermore, he can redirect all misfortune that befalls him onto his Freund Schild. On top of this, any misfortune that befalls the Freund Schild can be reapplied elsewhere.

C - The Compulsory:

C - The Compulsory is Pernida's Schrift enables it to send out its nerves and latch onto opponents' nerves, forcibly manipulating them and only ending its control of the opponent if the afflicted areas are torn off.

D - The Death Dealing:

D - The Death Dealing is Askin's Schrift which grants him the precise control over any and all'Lethal Doses' within his range. He alters the dosage of any substance he ingests or tanks, manipulating the 'poison' and either granting himself complete immunity within a single minute or lowering an opponent's resistance to kill or incap them. Thanks to this ability, Askin is actually intuited to be the most unkillable person amongst the Quincy via reflexive immunity-raising, being selected by Yhwach specifically for his inability to die, and himself cursing his inability to die easily.

E - The Explode:

E - The Explode is Bambietta's Schrift which gives her the ability to turn anything at all that she fires her Reishi into, into a bomb.She has what is essentially an unlimited supply of bombs, therefore, turns whatever she strikes with her bullets of Reishi into her own personal armory.

F - The Fear:

F - The Fear is Äs Nödt's Schrift which allows him to instill fear in others through his Heilig Pfeil, which are shaped like thorns. It searches through the memories of the subject to find any trace of fear they may have ever had in their life to act upon it, so even if they currently have no fear, if their past does they will be affected. From there, everything the target does from then on will be hindered by their own thoughts and fear of actions. It's potent enough to kill targets just out of fear.The fear is applied to it's target by contact thus wounding the opponent is not needed and it's capable of bypassing objects to reach it's target.

G - The Glutton:

G - The Glutton is Liltotto's Schrift which allows her to extend her jaw to be able to bite and consume her targets. While seeming very simple, the ability is pretty powerful and allows Liltotto to even absorb the Reiryoku, abilities and powers of her consumed targets. Along with the power absorption, she gains instinctive knowledge on how to use the powers from subjects she has consumed (Can't Fear Your Own World, Chapter 3).

H - The Heat:

H - The Heat is Bazz-B's Schrift that allows him to manipulate/create fire and in a way heat from Reishi, fire powerful enough to cancel out even Yamamoto's Shikai flames. The ability has many usages and while Bazz-B can expel/control the flames from his person or from around him his favorite usage are the Burner Fingers. Bazz-B's Burner Fingers are utilizing his Schrift with his fingers for a variety of attacks, the more fingers he uses, the more destructive it gets.

I - The Iron:

I - The Iron is Cang Du's Schrift that amps his durability. It works by covering his body, or portions of his body, in a much more durable material that is pretty damn tough. To such a point that he could no-sell Haschwalth's strike when Haschwalth had previously broken Fullbring-Bankai Ichigo's Zanpakutō rather easily.

J - The Jail:

J - The Jail is Quilge's Schrift that enables him to create a prison of Reishi that is inescapable to anyone at all except for Quincy. It is implied heavily that such a prison will hold whomever it targets until death occurs. Further, it also is capable of outright sealing off dimensional travel, closing the dimension, used by Garganta to travel between worlds, on both sides. To use it, Quilge launches a blast of Reishiwhich creates a large cage that is impervious to any and all harm and escape attempts, surviving the full brunt of Ichigo's fury with ease.

K - Unknown Schrift

L - The Love:

L - The Love is PePe's Schrift that allows him to control those he hits with his "Love Kiss" by making them fall so madly in love with him that they will obey every command he gives them.

M - The Miracle:

M - The Miracle is Gerard's innate power to turn any and all damage, lethal included, into size and strength. Sounds simple, but ridiculously powerful.

N - Unknown Schrift

O - Overkill:

O - The Overkill is Driscoll's Schrift which allows him to become more powerful the more he kills, whether it be friend or foe, even an animal.

P - The Power:

P - The Power is Meninas's Schrift which grants her increased strength, this strength making her one of the most powerful Bleach characters physically. The strength she puts out can be controlled as she can increase her own muscles to strengthen her blows beyond their normal output.

Q - The Question:

Q - The Question is Berenice's "Self-Doubt Inducement" Schrift in which Berenice can literally talk his opponent to question and doubt their abilities.

R - The Roar:

R - The Roar is Jerome's Schrift which allows him to emit powerful roars. These roars are enough to blast the heads of Shinigami and deafen Kenpachi Zaraki.

S - The Superstar:

S - The Superstar is Mask De Masculine's Schrift. It allows him to gain might from the cheers of a crowd, and alongside his partner James, he has an undying source of unending cheers that will continually empower him. Mask's physicals are amped, healing is boosted, and it enables him to achieve his most powerful form after hearing enough cheering.

T - The Thunderbolt:

T - The Thunderbolt is Candice's Schrift which allows her to generate, manipulate and project lightning. Despite seeming quite simple, her lightning packs a punch and she is quite creative with her lightning as displayed in how she utilizes it. Her lightning is natural as it comes from the sky.

U - The Underbelly:

U - The Underbelly is NaNaNa's Schrift and a rather powerful ability in the Bleachverse. With it, NaNaNa can see the Reiatsu and Reiatsu distribution of Spiritual Beings. He can see the flaws and holes in it, then forcibly open those holes, thus leak out Reiatsu from his targets. This is his Morphine Pattern that paralyzes his targets due to their lack of Reiatsu to even move and fight.

V - The Visionary:

V - The Visionary is Gremmy's Schrift which is simplistic to explain at base, but exceptionally broad and insanely powerful: anything he imagines turns into reality. A reality warper, Gremmy's power is the most potent showcased in the entirety of Bleach, and can create many varied effects.

W - The Wind:

W - The Wind is Nianzol's Schrift and is most easily explained as being able to physically bend away the space of any attack he perceives to be as coming from an opponent. This means that it is impossible to assault him directly, even with sneak attacks.

X - The X-Axis:

X - The X-Axis is Lille's Schrift which comes with 3 forms that further unlock his full power.

Y - The Yourself:

Y - The Yourself are the Schrift of Royd and Loyd which are basic in principle, exceptionally powerful in practice. They are the ability to mimic not just the appearance of others, but for Royd, to also attain their memories and knowledge whereas Loyd can fully mimic their entire arsenal of abilities, both physical or otherwise.

Z - The Zombie:

Z - The Zombie is Giselle's Schrift which enables her to turn anyone splashed with her blood into a corpse that obeys her every command. Further, she can heal others with her ability by manipulating dead bodies and reforming them, as well as healing via blood and turning 'fresh' corpses into more powerful, intelligent zombies. Mayuri Kurotsuchi provides a good run-down here on the limitations of her ability.

Σ - The Viability:

Σ - The Viability is Shaz's Schrift which grants him the ability to regenerate his body with nearby Reishi, thus granting him near immortality in the Bleachverse:

He can absorb Reishi from his surroundings and repair his own body. In other words, he has regeneration powers that surpass those of a Vollständig or Hollow.

Whenever Shaz lost parts of his body during fights, parts created by Gremmy’s imagination would regenerate as parts created by Reishi. In the end, all imagined parts were replaced by physical body, allowing him to escape Gremmy’s control.

The downside to this ability being that Shaz can not turn it off, he will always passively regenerate whether he wants to or not.

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#26 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like the Chakra=riatsu puts the Otsutsuki at the disadvantage.

However, time freeze allows Momoshiki and Urashiki to kill Ywhach because the almighty has to be consiously activated and he can't do that if he's frozen in time.

After that, otsutsuki overwhelms them with major stat advantage.

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#27 Posted by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

@ovy7:

Thank you for that! I wonder if someone can do the same for Naruto...

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#29 Edited by Kayc (575 posts) - - Show Bio

Otsutsuki lolstomps as hax is also on their side - Immortality, izanagi, energy absorption, dimensional destruction.

The only hax that matter from the sternRitter's is X-Axis, Miracle and Almighty.

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#30 Posted by BrownZeus (864 posts) - - Show Bio

@kayc: Shrifts A(Ishida),B,C,D,E,F,J,M,U,V,W and Y are all factors in this battle as well in terms of pure combat.

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#31 Posted by deactivated-5c07a0327fd39 (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like the Chakra=riatsu puts the Otsutsuki at the disadvantage.

However, time freeze allows Momoshiki and Urashiki to kill Ywhach because the almighty has to be consiously activated and he can't do that if he's frozen in time.

After that, otsutsuki overwhelms them with major stat advantage.

Why? It allows for Genjutsu, energy absorption, soul-crush resistance etc.

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#32 Posted by theonlytruth (1458 posts) - - Show Bio

Otsutsuki clan wins this

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#34 Posted by uchihaghost (575 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey viners, i'm new here, but i've been lurking for some years. Anywho i think the otsutsuki clan win cuz;

- kaguya can just teleport to the sky and put everyone in IT

- Or they all charge Bijuu dama's and nuke the bleach characters away, despite the bleach verse having alot of hax most of them are pretty useless or wont get the chance to do anything against the otustsuki e.g bambietta wont get the chance to actually even touch these guys and many others

- Gerrard can be sealed inside a CT with yin yang seal by the sage

- Askin gets blasted by a Bijuu dama so as the other sternritters like pernida, lloyd/royd etc

- team bleach is not the only hax team, people are forgetting the rinnegan can revive the dead using rinne tensei, kaguya is immortal and can pretty much revive anyone thats dead with rinne tensei.

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#35 Posted by AntitheticalOpinion (227 posts) - - Show Bio

Im evil, so i want to bunp this. C;

Bleach team wins, Unlike the Sternritters vs Soul Society arc, the otsutsuki are out numbered vastly which allows the quincy team to focus and layer each others hax over them.

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#36 Posted by Godren (3378 posts) - - Show Bio

this is spite in favor of Yhwach existing,everyone know this on all battle boards.

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#37 Posted by ourmanuel (8267 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump for the flame war

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#38 Posted by B_r023 (5540 posts) - - Show Bio

Otsutsuki stomp with negative difficulty.

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#39 Edited by Supermanforever (7518 posts) - - Show Bio

@b_r023 said:

Otsutsuki stomp with negative difficulty.

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#40 Posted by Death_Trumpet (475 posts) - - Show Bio

Yhwach and Sterns are way to haxed. They take it.

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#41 Posted by GutrotSPume (158 posts) - - Show Bio

@b_r023 said:

Otsutsuki stomp with negative difficulty.

Mismatch.

There is the entire Otsutsuki Clan in the Naruto universe and they will be in Boruto. Probably EoS.

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#42 Posted by COOLGUY18 (838 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#43 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

Yhwach and Kaguya fighting alone would kill all the fodder Ootsutsuki Members.

The Sternritters hax makes Kinshiki and Momoshiki useless due to their lack of jutsu. Urashiki's feats are pretty bad tbh so he's a non-factor.

Hagaromo only has scaling and statements for him that put him either > Kaguya or = Madara, either way he goes down to hax spam.

Kaguya cannot put Yhwach down anyway so he brings her down once she runs out of Chakra.

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#44 Edited by Gilateen (2747 posts) - - Show Bio

Otsutsuki team, obviously

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#45 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

Yhwach and the Sternritters body.

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#46 Edited by Wanderez (714 posts) - - Show Bio

You most likely need either the SR army or Yhwach, both of them is blatant stomp.

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#47 Edited by ourmanuel (8267 posts) - - Show Bio

@katanalauncher said:

Kaguya solos, hax doesn't matter in face of overwhelming firepower advantage, this is especially true in Bleach verse.

*facepalm*

how can you even imagine something like this?

ot: sternritters stomp both verses.

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#49 Posted by Helloman (26744 posts) - - Show Bio

The Bleach team wins.

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#50 Posted by Gilateen (2747 posts) - - Show Bio

Still Otsutsuki, they have so much hax too

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