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#1 Posted by Unlimited1 (946 posts) - - Show Bio

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  • Current versions of both characters.
  • Both are blood lusted.
  • Location: Konoha
  • Starting distance: 15 meters.

Yami

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#3 Posted by Gilateen (3463 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke stomps

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#4 Posted by GXrevs06 (4407 posts) - - Show Bio

Yami blitzes

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#5 Posted by zxc6 (523 posts) - - Show Bio

Yami blitz and cut his head

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#6 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16952 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke one shots unless Yami gets tiers stronger in the manga.

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#7 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16952 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: @zxc6: Sasuke is faster than Yami, has pre cog as well, and can teleport. Yami isn’t blitzing.

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#8 Posted by AizenCT400 (43 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke wins via hax. BC characters aren't on the level of high tier Naruto characters.

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#9 Posted by FaradaySloth (8474 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke one shots

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#10 Edited by GXrevs06 (4407 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss said:

@gxrevs06: @zxc6: Sasuke is faster than Yami, has pre cog as well, and can teleport. Yami isn’t blitzing.

Yami is operating in the lightspeed ballpark, has precog and can cut through Sasuke's portals with dimension slicer. Genjutsu is the only threat but Yami is too fast and Sasuke doesn't use that as an opening move(at least not consistently)

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#11 Posted by ProgrammerSeth (73 posts) - - Show Bio

Yami. BC top tiers are a lot faster

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#12 Posted by Tetsukage (1922 posts) - - Show Bio

Yami has the speed but lacks everything else.

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#13 Posted by AvatarReiko (1297 posts) - - Show Bio

Yami blitzes and one shots him

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#14 Edited by Skye02 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

What Yami lacks in DC and hax, he makes up for in speed and ki. He mid diffs at most

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#15 Edited by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

As far as attack potency and power scale Black Clover series isn’t anywhere close to EOS God tiers like Adult Sauce. I don’t think Yami can break Sauce PS with wings which destroyed a meteor casually. But even fodder tier in Black Clover verse have faster speed reaction and combat speed than god tiers in Naruto. I’ve actually never seen beginning of series character be so fast. But the feats don’t lie even Asta can react to LS. So I say stalemate. Sauce can’t tag Yami and Yami can’t hurt Sauce.

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#16 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16952 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06 said:
@alextheboss said:

@gxrevs06: @zxc6: Sasuke is faster than Yami, has pre cog as well, and can teleport. Yami isn’t blitzing.

Yami is operating in the lightspeed ballpark, has precog and can cut through Sasuke's portals with dimension slicer. Genjutsu is the only threat but Yami is too fast and Sasuke doesn't use that as an opening move(at least not consistently)

Naruto dodged light fang at point blank.

Yami. BC top tiers are a lot faster

Yami has the speed but lacks everything else.

Yami blitzes and one shots him

@skye02 said:

What Yami lacks in DC and hax, he makes up for in speed and ki. He mid diffs at most

Debunked this already.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/black-clover-characters-arent-light-speed-1994894/

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#17 Edited by GXrevs06 (4407 posts) - - Show Bio

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@gxrevs06 said:
@alextheboss said:

@gxrevs06: @zxc6: Sasuke is faster than Yami, has pre cog as well, and can teleport. Yami isn’t blitzing.

Yami is operating in the lightspeed ballpark, has precog and can cut through Sasuke's portals with dimension slicer. Genjutsu is the only threat but Yami is too fast and Sasuke doesn't use that as an opening move(at least not consistently)

Naruto dodged light fang at point blank.

@programmerseth said:

Yami. BC top tiers are a lot faster

@tetsukage said:

Yami has the speed but lacks everything else.

@avatarreiko said:

Yami blitzes and one shots him

@skye02 said:

What Yami lacks in DC and hax, he makes up for in speed and ki. He mid diffs at most

Debunked this already.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/black-clover-characters-arent-light-speed-1994894/

Btw, I have read through that read and nothing you said convinces me nor did you debunk anything. It's made abundantly clear in the manga that Patri is lightspeed

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#18 Edited by AlexTheBoss (16952 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06:

Btw, I have read through that read and nothing you said convinces me nor did you debunk anything. It's made abundantly clear in the manga that Patri is lightspeed

He is light speed with his light magic movement ability and light beam attack. Yami is not light speed, and could only barely keep up with pre cog. Naruto dodged light fang at close range, and Sasuke blitzed and cut Madara in half, plus has teleportation, which is faster than light speed movement. There is really no good argument for Yami being faster than Sasuke, unless he does something crazy in the manga later on, as I'm anime only right now and Yami wouldn't even be able to beat Orochimaru from what I've seen, though that's because Orochimaru can survive being cut in half.

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#19 Posted by Tetsukage (1922 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: what about the attack Asta cut through, it was a multi directional Light attack, what speed does that make him?

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#20 Posted by Unlimited1 (946 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: Naruto probably aim dodged light fang, he has precognition too.

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#21 Posted by Tetsukage (1922 posts) - - Show Bio

@unlimited1: using precog to dodge a LS attack that's already coming for you is still a reaction feat.

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#22 Posted by Unlimited1 (946 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: It's not if you moved out of the way before the attack was fired, which is a possibility.

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#23 Posted by Tetsukage (1922 posts) - - Show Bio

@unlimited1: true but nothing proves that and I've looked as deep as one can into this feat.

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#24 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16952 posts) - - Show Bio
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#27 Posted by Unlimited1 (946 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: But is there anything that disproves it? The problem is that the dodge and the attack were shown in the same panel. It's impossible to tell, and there are no other feats on that level in Naruto.

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#28 Posted by Tetsukage (1922 posts) - - Show Bio

@unlimited1: there's alot that proves Naruto dodged it.

It's all on the LF thread.

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#29 Posted by Mee09 (5665 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: No it's not legit light speed. If you are going to try and debunk Black Clover characters being light speed. Know that Naruto characters being light speed has been debunked times ten here.

Madara's face contorted before the lightfang came out. On top of that. Naruto also has precognition with Sage Mode. He easily timed the attack long before it came out. Naruto characters can't move and react at light speeds outside of teleportation. Even then after teleporting they still have to move and react to the their own teleport at speeds much slower than light.

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#30 Posted by Unlimited1 (946 posts) - - Show Bio
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#31 Posted by Tetsukage (1922 posts) - - Show Bio

@mee09: I've read multiple arguments on this site for LF and not a single person debunked it.

And I'm not debunking BC....

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#32 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16952 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: At best I would give Asta light speed reactions with pre cog, but based off of how strong he is shown to be, his muscles shouldn't have the power to generate anything close to light speed movement. That would make his muscles around as strong as Saitamas and he should be able to jump out of the Earth's atmosphere and whatnot.

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#33 Posted by ourmanuel (10497 posts) - - Show Bio

@unlimited1: there's alot that proves Naruto dodged it.

It's all on the LF thread.

Note: the scan of naruto dodging LF is very open to interpretation.

However, Naruto has anti-feats too so there’s that.

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#34 Edited by Tetsukage (1922 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: every character has anti feats.

And most feats are up for interpretation the thing is more evidence suggest it went one way than it did the other.

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#35 Edited by ourmanuel (10497 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: the scan doesn’t suggest anything, only people trying to guesstimate what happened there.

It just comes down to whether you think it’s really consistent with the series/author’s intent.

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#36 Posted by Tetsukage (1922 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: the scan suggests a lot actually. If you look at the scan right before it.

And considering Guy bent space right before that it's clear which direction Kishimoto was going.

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#37 Edited by GXrevs06 (4407 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss said:

@gxrevs06:

Btw, I have read through that read and nothing you said convinces me nor did you debunk anything. It's made abundantly clear in the manga that Patri is lightspeed

He is light speed with his light magic movement ability and light beam attack. Yami is not light speed, and could only barely keep up with pre cog. Naruto dodged light fang at close range, and Sasuke blitzed and cut Madara in half, plus has teleportation, which is faster than light speed movement. There is really no good argument for Yami being faster than Sasuke, unless he does something crazy in the manga later on, as I'm anime only right now and Yami wouldn't even be able to beat Orochimaru from what I've seen, though that's because Orochimaru can survive being cut in half.

Yh I am gonna have to agree to disagree with you bud. I don't want to derail this thread but I feel like there is enough evidence to support it and the manga stated several times that Patry moves at light speed. Yami was able to physically react and parry his attacks with the help of precog. Current Yami is way stronger than the one that fought Patri, so there is that too

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#38 Edited by AlexTheBoss (16952 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: Minato also moves at light speed with flying rigin, that doesn’t make people who fight him light speed.

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@alextheboss said:

@gxrevs06: Minato also moves at light speed with flying rigin, that doesn’t make people who fight him light speed.

FTG is a teleportation technique lol. It's not movement speed. Not sure where you got that from

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#40 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16952 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: Yeah and the only times the light magic users move at light speed is with their light movement spell. They don’t actually move at light speed when they move their muscles.

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#41 Posted by Wanderez (1446 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage:

Anything above 4 digit mach bends space. Thats nothing special. The whole series contradict the LF feat.

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#42 Posted by Tetsukage (1922 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez said:

@tetsukage:

Anything above 4 digit mach bends space. Thats nothing special. The whole series contradict the LF feat.

Citation.

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#44 Posted by Tetsukage (1922 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez said:

@tetsukage:

Einstein's theory of relativity.

Show me exactly where he states anything from mach 1000-9999 bends space.

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#45 Edited by InfinteGod12 (134 posts) - - Show Bio

Can anyone tell me what Yami abilities? I don't watch Black cover, yet at least.

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@alextheboss said:

@gxrevs06: Yeah and the only times the light magic users move at light speed is with their light movement spell. They don’t actually move at light speed when they move their muscles.

Patri's movement speed is lightspeed to FTL. As are his projectile spells. It's stated and shown in the manga. The evidence is all there.

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#47 Posted by Tetsukage (1922 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez:

@wanderez said:

@tetsukage:

Einstein's theory of relativity.

Show me exactly where he states anything from mach 1000-9999 bends space.

For someone as confident as you are in that fact you should have had a link for the evidence.

How about we don't pretend to know things ok?

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#48 Posted by InfinteGod12 (134 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, don't Sasuke have access to every six path abilities?

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#49 Posted by Wanderez (1446 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage:

Please read before jumping on the train. And im sorry i dont have links, you're not my priority anyways. Just look it up yourself.

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#50 Posted by Tetsukage (1922 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: yeah I looked it up right after you made the claim, it's not in his theory....

You made that shit up. Thank you, next.

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