Yamato vs Katakuri and Queen

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Katakuri and Queen

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  • Fight in Wano
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Anyone that can remotely take on hybrid Kaido to somewhat of a standstill for an extended period of time is already above Katakuri

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Yamato or any monster trio member would fodderize these two

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Yamato can probably take either of the two, but I doubt she can take both at the same time.

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#6  Edited By Laufnyr

Yamato takes it

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#7  Edited By PlagueDocter

Queen could win with his Ice Oni or other plagues and his invisibility assuming he doesn't get taken out before then. Katakuri is a borderline non factor.

OT: I could see Queen pulling out a win maybe... but I don't know if Queen can hold out long enough before Yamato succumbs to a plague.

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Might struggle with katakuri but queen is getting wrecked

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Yamato could arguably one tap both of them. At worst she wins with some difficulty.

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@edgelord91 said:

1) Might struggle with katakuri but queen is getting wrecked

Other way around Yamato goes hybrid from uses Thunder Bagua and oneshots Katakuri. Queen with his tech and Zoan means he isn't going to be dropped instantly not to mention Queen has no reason to holdback like he did against Sanji to outdo Germa tech so I could see Queen going invisible and then trying to afflict Yamato with one of his plagues then holding back and watching Yamato get weaker and die from his disease. Queen also funnily enough if he gets his legs trapped in ice or some such not only can transform to a different form but if he transforms into his beast form he can use his snake form and eject from his body to escape being held by the ice.

Their win con is essentially hold off Yamato and have Queen have infect Yamato then pull back and watch as Yamato slowly dies.

2) Yamato could arguably one tap both of them. At worst she wins with some difficulty.

Katakuri sure as he scales to at best Act 1 G4 Luffy but Queen nope he's a zoan (and an ancient one no less) and scales above Act 1 Luffy not to mention while relative to Kaido somewhat Yamato isn't directly comparable. Either way I could see Queen pulling out a wing if he played his cards right.

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@plaguedocter: I was under the impression his plagues weren't being included.

Neither of them are beating Yamato but katakuri has future sight and his awaking can potentially hamper her mobility.

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@edgelord91 said:

1) I was under the impression his plagues weren't being included.

Why would we not it is specifically apart of not only Queen's arsenal but also his character as well he is Queen "The Plague" so why wouldn't we...

2) Neither of them are beating Yamato but katakuri has future sight and his awaking can potentially hamper her mobility.

No of course not in a head on confrontation they can't win but they can find other ways to win if they don't get defeated before then. Katakuri brings Future Sight, Stickiness/Mochi and smothering Yamato for a Win Con... Future Sight is outdone by sufficient speed which Yamato has an abundance of... Stickiness/Mochi is countered by that she could freeze the Mochi turning it into ice so it's solid and no longer sticky/viscous... and the smothering (suffocation) which is realistically the only thing he brings to the table but even the Yamato has ways around. Queen brings a myriad of Germa tech (Invisibility, etc), a hardy body (cybernetic zoan), and most importantly his plagues (and it's ure) which if used well could very well turn the favour to Queen.

But looking back if Yamato were to coat herself in Ice like she does with Mirror Mountain she could probably tank multiple attacks easily and they wouldn't even get past the Ice.

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#14  Edited By Sauce_God31

This katakuri downplay is ridiculous lol, Kata is superior to Queen in every way so anyone saying Yamato would have difficulty with Queen, kata would literally be several times worse given everything in his arsenal.

Anyways… team high diffs, kata alone would give Yamato a good fight and would likely tire her out with his superior speed, Logia maneuverability and FS, while queen spams lasers from the sidelines or cooks up some poison to wear her down. His zoan form should be able to do significant damage as well if he catches her off guard with his strongest attacks

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Why is Katakuri even here...

Anyways Yamato stomps the both of them

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@edgelord91 said:

1) he didn't get his plagues against Sanji or marco

Marco honestly would probaly be fine from the plague as he is a pheonix and for both of those battles you seem to forget Queen used his Ice Oni Plague on the live floor but it was just that Zoro destroyed his weapon so he couldn't use that plague again since it was destroyed.

And in Udon another one of Queen's plagues were used as well and would've killed Luffy if Chopper wasn't there.

So it less so that Queen doesn't use them in battle it's just he didn't have access to them in his battles or didn't want to use them (like how he didn't want to use his Germa Tech against Sanji).

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@sauce_god31: there is no Kata downplay lmao. Someone superior to him wasn’t worth shit when they stepped in Wano.

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katakuri is enough

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@xebec: so kata is holding off a serious hybrid Kaido for an extended period of time? Or reacting to him when a luffy faster than his G4 self that beat Kata couldn't?

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@ecoblitz said:

@xebec: so kata is holding off a serious hybrid Kaido for an extended period of time? Or reacting to him when a luffy faster than his G4 self that beat Kata couldn't?

kata was still manhandling bound-man after he came to his sense

also G4 luffy who got blitzed by kaido was emotional too

it's pretty telling that later on he could dodge in base using FS, it's not like Act 3 base luffy is faster than Act 1 G4 luffy lol

and yall push this "yamato stalled kaido" shit way too much

she was to kaido like wyper to enel

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#24  Edited By Wushu59

Sanji basically one tapped Queen after getting his upgrade and people don't think Hybrid Yamato could do the same? lmao.

Katakuri gets tagged eventually and goes down too. None of his feats compares to clashing with Hybrid Kaido multiple times physically and with long ranged projectiles. It doesn't matter if think Kaido was "holding back." She was fighting Kaido by herself over a span of several chapters and neither Queen nor Katakuri would last that long.

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@plaguedocter: Being an ancient Zoan means practically nothing. Last I remember Queen is one shot material for a serious big mom, which doesn't make him any better than the gear 4 Luffy that fought Katakuri. Queen and Katakuri are most likely the same tier, Queen might be tougher, but Katakuri has his future sight.

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@xebec: Boundman that fought Kaido is totally different than the previous weaker one who fought Katakuri.

OT: Yamato very high/extreme diff or Team

Could go either way honestly

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@wushu59: Sanji did not one tap Queen he combo'd him due to his superior speed and strong kicks which knocked Queen around. Katakuri is getting blitzed and one shot there's no 'Yamato will eventually tag him." Also the team doesn't need to last long just long enough for Yamato to be severely hindered

@alextheboss: Nah Queen's not one shot material for Big Mom (at least for normal attacks) If Kinemon can't be oneshot by a Base Kaido with normal swings (who equaled Big Mom) then Queen who is tiers above Kinemon shouldn't either as long as Queen is serious (Cyborg hybrid form). Since Queen is a tier above Jack who is stronger than Base Inurashi and Base Inu is stronger than Kinemon. Also being an ancient zoan is better than a normal zoan they literally say as such citing that their resilience is phenomenal.

OT: Yamato should win... but Queen with Germa tech and his Plagues especially can pull a win... Katakuri is borderline a non factor and a single Thunder Bagua drops him for good.

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#28  Edited By Wushu59
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@wushu59: Sanji did not one tap Queen he combo'd him due to his superior speed and strong kicks which knocked Queen around.

Yeah, he did. After Sanji's ultimate move he got sent flying Team Rocket style like a fodder. That's basically one tapped. All the light kicks before Sanji even got his upgrade are inconsequential. It was no where close to a high dif fight like Zoro vs King. This is how Oda maintains the narrative that Sanji is close to Zoro.

Katakuri is getting blitzed

Possibly. But Kaido also isn't a good measuring stick for speed as he literally can keep up with Gear 5 an always adjust accordingly.

and one shot there's no 'Yamato will eventually tag him."

Katakuri can merge inside of the ground and do tricky stuff like that. He might be able to avoid her for a little bit. He also has direct feats of dodging light speed Germa attacks at point blank range similar to Sanji.

Also the team doesn't need to last long just long enough for Yamato to be severely hindered

She one taps them both if she gets clean hit in. She isn't getting hindered by shit. Queen is giant target and Yamato can just freeze Katakuri's mochi if he tries get her stuck.

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@wushu59: Sanji barraged him with multiple ifrit jambe attacks. That's not remotely one tapping. Not to mention he passed out afterwards.

A one tap would be more similar to what he did to Jabra

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Yamato.

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Yamato One taps both

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King and Queen might be able to take it with difficulty, but Katakuri is a weak link.

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#33  Edited By Wushu59
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@wushu59: Sanji barraged him with multiple ifrit jambe attacks. That's not remotely one tapping. Not to mention he passed out afterwards.

He one tapped him with his ultimate attack which sent Queen flying out the building. None of the regular kicks from barrage attacks remotely scale to the final one and are inconsequential. He'd still get one shot with that single attack based on his reaction to it.

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@wushu59: all his other hits scale albeit lower. He did this same tactic back in arlong park. Not a one tap

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@wushu59: all his other hits scale albeit lower. He did this same tactic back in arlong park. Not a one tap

They don't scale at all. If Luffy tagged Rob Lucci with Bajrang Gun right off the bat, he'd clearly get one shot. The punch that Lucci actually did tank is not relevant in comparison. Same with Sanji and his Ultimate attack onto Queen.

The point I'm making is Sanji is clearly a whole tier above Queen attack output wise. Not even characters like King or Marco have shown this level of attack output. Sanji isn't that far behind Zoro.

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@wushu59: that is nowhere near comparable. The bajrang gun is hundreds of times bigger and amped by advanced haki.

The difference between beef burst and and Sanji's other ifrit amped kicks is more momentum and using more of his body. Clearly stronger but nowhere near the extent your arguing. If Sanji had immediately gone for the finisher queen would've tanked it

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@wushu59: that is nowhere near comparable. The bajrang gun is hundreds of times bigger and amped by advanced haki.

The difference between beef burst and and Sanji's other ifrit amped kicks is more momentum and using more of his body. Clearly stronger but nowhere near the extent your arguing.

True. No where near the level of Bajrang but still magnitudes stronger then his regular kicks.

If Sanji had immediately gone for the finisher queen would've tanked it

There is zero bases for this. The kick sent him flying off the island. Neither Marco or King have exhibited this kind of power. Queen wouldn't tank Sanji's full power attack just like he wouldn't tank Zoro's.

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@wushu59: it took beef burst AFTER several other ifrit attacks to beat Queen. And the gap isn't utterly massive like say ashura or luffy's gears.

Tanking might be pushing it be he'd definitely be less best up

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#39  Edited By Wushu59
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@wushu59: it took beef burst AFTER several other ifrit attacks to beat Queen.\

None of those kicks scale to his final one and are relevant to what I said. Again, neither King nor Marco have shown the attack power of what Sanji did to Queen. Queen didn't put up a good fight against Exoskeleton Sanji

And the gap isn't utterly massive like say ashura or luffy's gears.

Not Luffy in AP but it is comparable to Zoro who Sanji is constantly portrayed relative to.

Tanking might be pushing it be he'd definitely be less best up

Highly doubt it. It sent him flying off the island.