Xeno Goku. Vs Medaka(medaka box)

@bossmountain: is there any proof the bookmarker can suppress higher dimensional power especially since no one in that verse has any.

There is zero volume/power/infinite difference between 4-D and 3-D. Goku could be 500-D for all I care and Medaka still erases him. Why? Because he is a physical entity that has not only no metaphysical/conceptual hax, but has no defenses towards them. He also has no way to stop Medaka from reviving infinitely.

And is ignoring the obvious fact that characters in Dragon Ball in general can resist the Hax of weaker characters

Higher power levels can only ignore the hax of what they are shown to. To say otherwise is a NLF. DB characters have resisted the lowest form of hax imaginable. Medaka concept bust him and anyone in DB.

@zgtfreak: is a big difference between the power difference between 3 and 4d destroying something at one point of time is a lot of weaker than destroying it across all time within a universe.

Resistances:

Magic - Demigra stated his Magic wouldn't work on Goku.

Mind Manipulation - Demigra was unable to take over Goku's mind.

Power Nullification - beings with divinity cannot be affected by Android 21's waves, which can supress powers to her level

Memory Erasure - Android 21's waves have also shown to be able to erase memories, as shown with Krillin.

Soul Manipulation - Survived Shroom stealing his soul energy and attacking his soul directly.

BFR - Slapped away an attack from Demigra, which had previously sent Beat back in time.

Transmutation - Far more powerful than SSJ Vegito and Time Patroller Trunks, both of whom could fight after being turned into candy.

Time Manipulation - Far more powerful than lesser Demon Gods, who were unaffected by Chronoa's time-based abilities.

Emphatic Manipulation - Demigra's evil influence could not affect Goku's behavior

And while he himself has not shown this other characters were weaker than him has survived hax erasing of entire time lines.

Yeah the book markers and no go. Beings with Divine energy can't have the power suppress or nulify.

and sorry no unless you can actually prove that all fiction can erase entities that are higher dimensional than the user like Zeno can then don't you have an argument. Conceptual or not.

MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! How cute!

When Db characters can survive that erase from existence? Future Zeno erase Zamasu with whole universe from existence then get revived by Fu not survive, which SDBH is not canon and stop wanking lol.

DB characters have no counter to All fiction

All Fiction still erased all multiverse from existence

This is still going on? Medaka curbstomps

If Goku can resist something that erases an entire timeline, AF shouldn't work on him, it's never done anything like that. Although I'm not sure he can kill her for good either.

@moneyyjunee: Goku curbstomps medaka

@bossmountain: is a big difference between the power difference between 3 and 4d destroying something at one point of time is a lot of weaker than destroying it across all time within a universe.

A 4-D attack is merely in a high enough dimension where it can access different points in time. It is just hitting the universe in more spots that a 3-D attack can. This doesn't translate to power. It just has more access points. At best, this may paradox someone out of existence. But physical space-time paradoxing isn't working on a conceptual entity.

And while he himself has not shown this other characters were weaker than him has survived hax erasing of entire time lines.

Erasing physical space-time that falls under mathematics.

Yeah the book markers and no go. Beings with Divine energy can I have the power suppress or nulify.

Fair enough. Goku dies to the rest of her entire arsenal still.

and sorry no unless you can actually prove that all fiction can erase entities that are higher dimensional than the user like Zeno can then don't you have an argument. Conceptual or not.

Goku has never defended against conceptual attacks, let alone ones that erase other concepts. Being higher dimensional is irrelevant here. He is a physical entity. Medaka goes beyond the realm of physics to the realm metaphysics. Her hax are more potent than all of DB.

Lol... Just dreams. Only Dragon ball, Z and Super, Broly 2019 movie are canon by Toriyama

Super Dragon Ball Heroes, GT, Xeno, all movies are non canon by not Toriyama

Yet you are TRUE wanking like Undre and someone else.

Heaven Ascension DIO solos with his rewrites and reality abilites

Medaka or Kumagawa either solos with his All fiction

And etc.

You failed and continue to enjoy it.

@narutouzumakimedakakurokami:

And never once said that anything I mention applies to canon Goku. this isn't canon Goku we're talking about.

and zero actually retort... A+ debating.

@bossmountain: He's butthurt now.

@bossmountain: It definitely and does and 3D concept hax don't work on 4d or 5d beings for obvious reasons. 4d character are not bound to one point in time so conceptional erasing in only 1 point in time aint doing sh1t.

One: Not all 4-D being exist in multiple points in time. They may be a single entity who can effect and move through time like Goku. You are essentially saying that every 4-D entity is omnipresent, which clearly isn't the case. Two: If a 4-D entity's very concept gets erased at all, then the rest of his existence should collapse (unless of course said 4-D entity exist beyond or without concepts).

without Bookmarker Xeno Goku power durability speed are still astronomically above her. She only was of damage him would be dead scar and the encounter which has never defeated anyone..

Physical power and speed is not putting down someone who can revive herself on a conceptual level. He blitzes her if he's bloodlusted, kills her, thinks its over, and then she revives and All Fictions him. But this is assuming he gets by her passive Scardead, which he won't. Scardeader opens all physical and psychological wounds. Goku has gotten holes blown through his body multiple times that were fatal. One even outright killed him (Special Beam Cannon). So yeah, he dies from Medaka's passive Scardead instantly.

so what. this like comparing Ichibe Hyosube from to Zeno. Ichibe erasing power isn't stronger just because it conceptual. Zeno due to it range and power to affect greater dimensions

If it is conceptual, its potency and effectiveness is far superior to Zeno's erasing, even if it doesn't have multi-universal range.

MUI Goku is Galaxy level at Best.

Universal+ with Wank

Medaka is High Outerversal with All Fiction and can't be beaten because she's the Main Character. Her power..... is literally PLOT ARMOR!

@bossmountain: All humans in real life are a representation of 4-dimensional entity in 3-dimensional space. If we have no 4th dimension, we literally cannot change to move between spaces, linearly.

we ARE 4-dimensional beings. our own universe, is a construct of space-time, and everything within it as well.

as for reality warping VS hax.

hax is superior to reality warping because although hax is narrower than reality warping, hax pierces deeper than reality. while reality warping is only affecting the surfaces that make up actuality and never penetrates conceptual levels.

that is the reason why beyonder gets stomped by lucifer even without cosmology power taken place because Lucifer (who tanked conceptual-death-hax from the conceptual power of destiny) can literally mindhax Beyonder who can literally be intoxicated and make him kill himself with his own Multiversal power. EVEN IF Lucifer is universal (which is long debunked many many many many times).

I find your comment hilarious for a lot of reasons.

1.) This is not Mui Goku.its Xeno goku. so you obviously didn't read

2.) Mui Goku isn't galaxy level.

3.) Medaka isn't close to outversal. There's not a single feat or statement that suggest she even beyond universe level.

4.) The entire medaka box outversal wank is literally based off of a single statement!! saying that Ajimu not medaka can trancends Dimensions with one of her skill. However seeing how the series never properly defined what they mean by Dimensions and that she has literally no feat supported. It's most likely a joke like a lot of information in a data books.

This is worse than Superman Prime Fanboys who argued that Superman Prime is universal because he said "welcome to my universe"

But it sure amazing that some people really trying take a single vaguely defined statement with no feat as definitive proof of outerversalism!

Like that's all takes to be considered beyond infinite multiverses to some people. Mindblowing..

wtf outerversal medaka...

@bossmountain: Ok, sorry XENO Goku, is still only Infinite 4th Dimensional at Best.

And I don't think you read what I put.....

Medaka is High Outerversal with All Fiction and can't be beaten because she's the Main Character. Her power..... is literally PLOT ARMOR!

@etriel: the fourth dimension is considered by M Theory to be time. But considering that time itself might not be real in our world this obviously holds little weight.

However in fiction where time is an established thing which characters can manipulate and travel through it.it gives a character one hell of an advantage over a character that's purely 3-dimensional.

And the fact that matter is a three-dimensional hack that failed to permanently erase a single person isn't stronger than a 5d dimensional hack that is shown being able to erase and transcend timelines.

5D if you're going by M Theory since he can Instant Transmission himself across timelines.

she has absolutely positively 0 High outerversal level feats.

That's cute but I'll plot armor doesn't mean anything in the neutral Universe bro. Plot armor PSI other writing elements does not factors in vs debates.

even in a fictional context or hypothetical context, humans are 4-dimensional because all of them operate on linear time. if they are only 3-dimensional, they cannot change.

Temporal dimensions work completely differently from Spatial dimensions.

@etriel: technically yeah But ultimately nit really. to be a high 4d a character must be beyond the concept of time.

Human still age they can't time travel into the past or really manipulated in any way so they're still pretty affected by it so they're not high 4d the entities. Basically a 4D entity should be able to manipulate and move through a 4D construct which humans can't.

5th dimensional entities beings or powers that aren't Bound by timelines which Xeno Goku falls into.

the point is simple the powers and abilities of characters demonstrated in Xenoverse and Dragon Ball Heroes proves that their powers and abilities are so great they're not limited by timelines which puts them at a higher dimensional tiering than the likes of medaka box.

Goku blacks like being able to tear time and space across numerous time lines or infinite Zamasu encompassing multiple timelines to make his way to the center of the Multiverse.

In xenoverse.

Or just Xeno Goku being able to instantly transmit himself to other timelines.

Well, say hello to Li Qiye, he steals all the Plot Armor. Literally.

@bossmountain: It's more that writers are idiots when they try to implement any Multiverse-theory into their verse. There are intellectual plotholes regarding all Multiverse-fictions and no fiction is beyond that.

@varricpatermann: @etriel:

What are you considered them being able to affect multiple timelines as a plot hole that's on you but as it stands no Medaka box has ever done anything that crazy with their Hax raw power so the difference is pretty clear.

Xeno Goku still claps. Being Divine entity in Dragon Ball Heroes can't have their powers lower or supress means that his stats by opponents effects so trying to bring him down to medaka level with book marker isn't going to work so he basically keeps his ridiculous power speed and durability Advantage.

All fiction isn't impressive in the slightest characters in Dragon Ball Xenoverse and heroes have survived the erasing Hax that can transcend multiple timelines and thousands of universes the all fiction has never done anything that crazy.

Not much stopping him from rag-dolling going into space or just Battlefield removing her into an alternate timeline with instant transmission.

Maybe Canon dragon balls but Dragon Ball Hero and Xenoverse is a bit too much for them.

From what im reading im leaning toward goku rn

Bump

Goku no difficulty. It's funny that people on this site still thinks Medaka's retard plot abilities will work in a neutral setting. Not even vswiki consider their top tiers legit and still has Aijumu as unknown for everything due to the lack of feats and that site is notorious for wanking characters( galaxy level Greymon, star level Iron Man, etc). Medaka loses to bugs bunny.

Cant he summon shenron too?

@nomight109: yes but at the same time I feel like it's just gameplay mechanics.

I mean if we include games mechanics yeah he can summon super Shenron but he can also lower his opponents stats and raise accuracy of all his attacks to 100% so that they hit regardless of speed.

However I don't feel as if his abilities in game are fair to use.

@bossmountain: ooh true. But i mean for someone that fast gathering the balls manually wouldnt be that hard right?

Bump

Xeno Goku doesn't have that many impressive speed feat..there really isn't anything to suggest he is that much faster than Canon or movie Goku. honestly. I feel him summoning Super Shenron counts as outside anyway and is ultimately unneeded here.

there isn't really a point to bumping the thread anymore. there really nothing to more to add. the conclusion is pretty clear.

@bossmountain: Butt hurt DB fanboy.

Medaka god stomps the entire verse.

This^

@bossmountain said:

But lol, that pic xDDD

don't respond to me unless you have an actual argument thank you. Also you're the one who's coming across as butthurt right now.

want to be the first Medaka fan to give an explanation for why?

we can all ready to rule out book marker and all fiction. they ain't working against Xeno Goku. In Dragon Ball heroes characters with divinity can't have their powers lower or memories altered. Android 21 waves has to power suppress and lower people powers to her level but Xeno Goku Beerus and whis was unaffected due to having divine energy. So Xeno Goku gets to keep his massive overwhelming power durability and speed which means he can blitz her to hell and back before she can really make a move

And Characters weaker like Zamasu from xenoverse could survive erasal hax that can transcend hundreds of timelines. So the all really isn't anyrhing special

and even if Goku can't kill her. nothing stopping him from rag-dolling her into space or Battlefield removing her into another timeline with instant transmission.

@animefreak1: goku stomps medaka . deal with it mr multiversal naruto

@bossmountain: You're telling me I'm the butt hurt when YOU'RE the one who posted that picture.

@animefreak1: why would I be butthurt? I kicked so many Medaka fanboys butt the OP was convinced. I've already won battle I'm only trying to make it official.

@bossmountain: Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Ok..

This does put a smile on my face lol.

Bump. But seriously anyone else wanna defend medaka and give ACTUAL proof of her winning besides just saying she stomps?

Bump

All Fiction can straight up busts concepts like color and time, Goku gets erased.

@lsoon23: Color isn't a concept. Many characters can erase time with standard reality warping. Unless he straight-up removed the very concept of time from the universe which he never did. His time erasing abilities isn't any more impressive than the likes of King Crimson or made in heaven .

Also transcending and possibly erasing thousands of universes via reality warping >>>>>> erasing the color red from a single universe via reality warping.

@bossmountain: From the Light Novel

@jucaslucasa: ahh neat.. still not multiverse level though so...doesn't really change much.

There are two primary concepts in fiction. A Platonic Concept, and an Aristotelian Concept. And concepts vary in power in degrees between these two.

A concept bound to a single space-construct, will not affect Goku, who has manipulated time functions in different space-times. Perhaps he is less metaphysical.

@jucaslucasa said:

@bossmountain: From the Light Novel