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#1  Edited By mavfan626

X-Men - Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, (AOA)Nightcrawler and Gambit

Vs.

Midnighter

Rules

Morals off

Standard equipment

No BFR

Win by KO or Death only

Location: New York City, not in sight, 1 block away from each other

Who wins and why?

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#2  Edited By TrueIlluminatus

Midnighter. The X-Men listed here will be hard-pressed to even see Midnighter before he blitzes them and causes mass confusion. Their only hope would be Storm getting in the air miraculously before Midnighter is able to down her and coming up with something, although it is unlikely she can really do anything he couldn't just evade.

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#3  Edited By Shawnbaby

"Do you know what happens when a midnighter gets struck by lightning?"

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#4  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@Shawnbaby said:
"Do you know what happens when a midnighter gets struck by lightning?"
Nothing, seeing as she's never going to even hit Midnighter before he breaks her neck.
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#5  Edited By mavfan626

@Illuminatus: Wasn't as funny as I thought it would be, I'll get rid of it..

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#6  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@mavfan626: Okay, lol. It was funny, and I was being kinda sarcastic.
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#7  Edited By Shawnbaby
@Illuminatus said:
@Shawnbaby said:
"Do you know what happens when a midnighter gets struck by lightning?"
Nothing, seeing as she's never going to even hit Midnighter before he breaks her neck.
I wasn't aware Midnighter had gained the ability to Fly. 
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#8  Edited By Skaddix

Depends on how quick storm gets in the air. Once she is in the air, she will kill midnighter eventually especially since morals are off.

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#9  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@Shawnbaby said:

@Illuminatus said:

@Shawnbaby said:

"Do you know what happens when a midnighter gets struck by lightning?"
Nothing, seeing as she's never going to even hit Midnighter before he breaks her neck.
I wasn't aware Midnighter had gained the ability to Fly. 
He doesn't, but it's not like that matters. New York City is an ideal place for someone like Midnighter to do combat with a group of X-Men such as the ones stipulated. His standard gear includes a plethora of various explosive devices that could kill anyone here instantly with the exception of Wolverine, who would be more than likely KO'd by one. If Storm, by some miracle, gets off the ground and higher than Midnighter can throw a weapon/explosive at her (another miracle), he is easily fast enough to travel up a building either by running horizontally or up the staircase/ladders/elevator shafts/etc. and make his way to the roof(s). After that, it's game over for Storm, who doesn't have the reflexes that put her in the same league as Midnighter and her lightning doesn't come down fast enough to even singe him.
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#10  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@Skaddix said:

Depends on how quick storm gets in the air. Once she is in the air, she will kill midnighter eventually especially since morals are off.

With what? 
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#11  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator

@Illuminatus said:

@Skaddix said:

Depends on how quick storm gets in the air. Once she is in the air, she will kill midnighter eventually especially since morals are off.

With what?

Not to side with Storm, but she could just manipulate the air pressure and cause him to stop breathing - that's assuming she gains distance.

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#13  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@JediXMan said:

@Illuminatus said:

@Skaddix said:

Depends on how quick storm gets in the air. Once she is in the air, she will kill midnighter eventually especially since morals are off.

With what?

Not to side with Storm, but she could just manipulate the air pressure and cause him to stop breathing - that's assuming she gains distance.

Is that an ability that she has ever properly demonstrated?
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#14  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator

@Illuminatus said:

@JediXMan said:

@Illuminatus said:

@Skaddix said:

Depends on how quick storm gets in the air. Once she is in the air, she will kill midnighter eventually especially since morals are off.

With what?

Not to side with Storm, but she could just manipulate the air pressure and cause him to stop breathing - that's assuming she gains distance.

Is that an ability that she has ever properly demonstrated?

Pretty sure. Almost positive. It's probable. No reason to doubt it. Anything could happen*

* I have absolutely no idea.

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#15  Edited By Shawnbaby

That's one Scenario. Here's another. Storm Summons a Tornado directly on top of Midnighter.  
Or Nightcrawler teleports his head right off of his body. 

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#16  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator

@Shawnbaby said:

Or Nightcrawler teleports his head right off of his body.

Midnighter would see it coming and kill him as he teleported in.

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#17  Edited By mavfan626

No Doors..

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#18  Edited By Saren

@mavfan626 said:

No Doors..

Standard equipment but no doors. Seems a bit uneven.

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#19  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@Shawnbaby said: 
 Storm Summons a Tornado directly on top of Midnighter.  
Yeah, because Storm is totally known for her pinpoint accuracy with tornados against people she doesn't even have a direct line-of-sight with. And, what is a tornado supposed to do to Midnighter? The guy trades blows with Maul, Apollo, and Jack Hawksmoor. It's not like your average tornado (or even an extremely powerful one) is going to hurt him. All Midnighter has to do is say "Door" and he'll be completely safe.  
 
 Or Nightcrawler teleports his head right off of his body. 
Again, no line-of-sight for Kurt to base this maneuver on. He doesn't use those maneuvers like ever unless he knows exactly where is enemy is residing, which wont be in one place for long.
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#20  Edited By mavfan626

@CitizenBane said:

@mavfan626 said:

No Doors..

Standard equipment but no doors. Seems a bit uneven.

Midnighter having the ability to BFR character into space is unfair

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#21  Edited By LordStoop

x-men win. Visor off blast. he will hit him someday.

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#22  Edited By Shawnbaby
@Illuminatus said:
@Shawnbaby said: 
 Storm Summons a Tornado directly on top of Midnighter.  
Yeah, because Storm is totally known for her pinpoint accuracy with tornados against people she doesn't even have a direct line-of-sight with. And, what is a tornado supposed to do to Midnighter? The guy trades blows with Maul, Apollo, and Jack Hawksmoor. It's not like your average tornado (or even an extremely powerful one) is going to hurt him. All Midnighter has to do is say "Door" and he'll be completely safe.  
 
 Or Nightcrawler teleports his head right off of his body. 
Again, no line-of-sight for Kurt to base this maneuver on. He doesn't use those maneuvers like ever unless he knows exactly where is enemy is residing, which wont be in one place for long.
Actually Storm is known for Pinpoint Accuracy of Things like that. and while a Tornado may not kill him...it could certainly BFR him.
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#23  Edited By Strider1992

If Midnighter speedblitz's most of them will go down before the fight even starts properly. Cyclops and Gambit are almost non-factors Midnighter will one-shot them. Wolverine can't really do much either due to him being to slow but the combination of AoA Nightcrawler and Storm could give them the win.

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#24  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@Shawnbaby said:
@Illuminatus said:
@Shawnbaby said: 
 Storm Summons a Tornado directly on top of Midnighter.  
Yeah, because Storm is totally known for her pinpoint accuracy with tornados against people she doesn't even have a direct line-of-sight with. And, what is a tornado supposed to do to Midnighter? The guy trades blows with Maul, Apollo, and Jack Hawksmoor. It's not like your average tornado (or even an extremely powerful one) is going to hurt him. All Midnighter has to do is say "Door" and he'll be completely safe.  
 
 Or Nightcrawler teleports his head right off of his body. 
Again, no line-of-sight for Kurt to base this maneuver on. He doesn't use those maneuvers like ever unless he knows exactly where is enemy is residing, which wont be in one place for long.
Actually Storm is known for Pinpoint Accuracy of Things like that. and while a Tornado may not kill him...it could certainly BFR him.
No, she's not. Never once have I seen Storm actually display the skill to summon a tornado directly on top of someone she can't even see right off the bat.
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#25  Edited By Saren

@mavfan626 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@mavfan626 said:

No Doors..

Standard equipment but no doors. Seems a bit uneven.

Midnighter having the ability to BFR character into space is unfair

But Nightcrawler's tele-dismemberment is totally fair?

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#26  Edited By Saren

Storm sucking the air out of Midnighter's lungs isn't going to do squat. He's survived on the surface of Mars without a problem and both he and Apollo have implants that enable them to function in anaerobic environments. And he could just dodge her lightning, Kraven dodged a barrage of Storm's lightning strikes in Black Panther #520.

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#27  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@LordStoop said:

x-men win. Visor off blast. he will hit him someday.

It's not in character for Scott to just take his visor off and go to town, regardless of his morals being done away with.
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#28  Edited By Shawnbaby
@Illuminatus: I didn't say she would do it sight unseen. Meanwhile you present a scenario where Midnighter kills everyone that he also doesn't see.
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#29  Edited By mavfan626

@CitizenBane said:

@mavfan626 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@mavfan626 said:

No Doors..

Standard equipment but no doors. Seems a bit uneven.

Midnighter having the ability to BFR character into space is unfair

But Nightcrawler's tele-dismemberment is totally fair?

Archangel was was able to react and get an attack in before Nightcrawler could dismember him, Midnighter shouldn't have any problems in doing the same.

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#30  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@Shawnbaby said:

@Illuminatus: I didn't say she would do it sight unseen. 

So, she's going to make herself visible to Midnighter? Bad idea. As soon as he sees her, his most efficient contingency for dealing with her appropriately will already be unfolding upon her before she can even start to think up how to bring down a tornado on his head.
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#31  Edited By Saren

@mavfan626 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@mavfan626 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@mavfan626 said:

No Doors..

Standard equipment but no doors. Seems a bit uneven.

Midnighter having the ability to BFR character into space is unfair

But Nightcrawler's tele-dismemberment is totally fair?

Archangel was was able to react and get an attack in before Nightcrawler could dismember him, Midnighter shouldn't have any problems in doing the same.

Sure, and Midnighter's main means of attacking people in the air being removed is fair? Especially when he's fighting multiple opponents at the same time? You could at least eliminate doors being used to BFR people but allow them to be used to reach Storm's position in the air.

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#32  Edited By Shawnbaby
@Illuminatus: And he automatically has knowledge of the X-Men and what their powers are?
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#33  Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

@Illuminatus: Storm uses her weather senses to locate MN or Wolverine uses his nasal senses to pick him up and they have Storm and Cyclops obliterate anything >:D

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#34  Edited By Saren

If they're not in sight then Midnighter could sneak up on the X-Men through the buildings, seeing as he's stealthier than any of them and his outfit absorbs light, and then pull off Scott's visor before anyone knows what's happening.

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#35  Edited By mavfan626

@CitizenBane said:

@mavfan626 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@mavfan626 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@mavfan626 said:

No Doors..

Standard equipment but no doors. Seems a bit uneven.

Midnighter having the ability to BFR character into space is unfair

But Nightcrawler's tele-dismemberment is totally fair?

Archangel was was able to react and get an attack in before Nightcrawler could dismember him, Midnighter shouldn't have any problems in doing the same.

Sure, and Midnighter's main means of attacking people in the air being removed is fair? Especially when he's fighting multiple opponents at the same time? You could at least eliminate doors being used to BFR people but allow them to be used to reach Storm's position in the air.

Hmm... okay

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#36  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@Shawnbaby said:

@Illuminatus: And he automatically has knowledge of the X-Men and what their powers are?

Yes, as that is part of his power-set. All he has to do is make eye-contact with someone and within a second, millions of possible scenarios will play out in Midnighter's head. He then chooses the best one and executes it.
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#37  Edited By Saren

@Shawnbaby said:

@Illuminatus: And he automatically has knowledge of the X-Men and what their powers are?

Upon first sight of them, yes.

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#38  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@god_spawn: -________-.
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#39  Edited By Shawnbaby
@CitizenBane@Illuminatus: His Wiki is misleading then...it said that during a fight with someone it took him a few seconds to ascertain their powers.
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#40  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@Shawnbaby: Semantics. His battle-computer does everything it needs to faster than any of the characters here can even perceive the world around them.
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#41  Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

@CitizenBane: Does Nighter give off any form of scent? Or does he have another Silver Supes in street level form power that says otherwise?

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#42  Edited By Shawnbaby

Ok. Then he is completely unbeatable and the X-Men have absolutely no chance...in fact...no one does...ever.

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#43  Edited By Saren

@god_spawn said:

@CitizenBane: Does Nighter give off any form of scent? Or does he have another Silver Supes in street level form power that says otherwise?

I don't remember anything about him not giving off a scent, but how would Logan know which scent is 'Nighter's? He's never met the guy before.

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#44  Edited By Saren

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@CitizenBane: @Illuminatus: His Wiki is misleading then...it said that during a fight with someone it took him a few seconds to ascertain their powers.

That's from the new 52, we're presumably using Wildstorm Midnighter here. And it took him a few seconds because he'd been fighting for those few seconds so there wasn't a lot of ascertaining going on.

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#45  Edited By Shawnbaby
@CitizenBane said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@CitizenBane: @Illuminatus: His Wiki is misleading then...it said that during a fight with someone it took him a few seconds to ascertain their powers.

That's from the new 52, we're presumably using Wildstorm Midnighter here. And it took him a few seconds because he'd been fighting for those few seconds so there wasn't a lot of ascertaining going on.

Why would we presumably use Wildstorm...isn't New 52 the most recent version?
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#46  Edited By lady_liberty

Midnighter wins here.

Why?

Because he's awesome.

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#47  Edited By LordStoop
Ulik the TROLL
Ulik the TROLL
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#48  Edited By Saren

@Shawnbaby said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@CitizenBane: @Illuminatus: His Wiki is misleading then...it said that during a fight with someone it took him a few seconds to ascertain their powers.

That's from the new 52, we're presumably using Wildstorm Midnighter here. And it took him a few seconds because he'd been fighting for those few seconds so there wasn't a lot of ascertaining going on.

Why would we presumably use Wildstorm...isn't New 52 the most recent version?

Yes, but people have enough sense to not use the new 52 versions because they don't have enough feats yet. There are plenty of threads that just say "Superman" but people still know enough to use his pre-Flashpoint feats.

Plus I posted a Wildstorm feat on the first page, and the OP didn't address that and insist on using DCnU feats only.

That aside, if morals are off Midnighter could signal the carrier to bomb the team from above, like this:

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#49  Edited By lady_liberty

@CitizenBane: I love that scan.

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#50  Edited By Shawnbaby

Well, I was going by the new 52 version because no version was specified by the OP so that would mean he defaults to his current version.