X-men vs Despero and Martian Manhunter

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Pre New 52

Random Encounter, Morals off, No bfr, battle in empty metropolis

Colossus has juggernaut

which team prevails

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#2  Edited By comic_book_fan

x-men.

magneto could amp the x-men telepaths while weakening the dc team and there is already 2 omega level telepaths on the x-men tam and psilocke who is pretty strong in her own right

then you have magneto who could solo manhunter and then they all gang up on despero in which case all they have to do is distract him long enough for rogue to touch him also magneto and juggernaut would be enough to beat him and then there is the telepaths who could overwhelm him the x-men just have to much here.

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x-men.

magneto could amp the x-men telepaths while weakening the dc team and there is already 2 omega level telepaths on the x-men tam and psilocke who is pretty strong in her own right

then you have magneto who could solo manhunter and then they all gang up on despero in which case all they have to do is distract him long enough for rogue to touch him also magneto and juggernaut would be enough to beat him and then there is the telepaths who could overwhelm him the x-men just have to much here.

Magneto can solo Manhunter? That's crazy talk. Manhunter is a combination between Batman and Superman, and that was said from Bruce himself! Manhunter has the strength, speed, and intellect to take down Magneto if he dared try to solo the martian.

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I doubt there magneto can solo the martian. j'onn is a team buster

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Can MMH access Fernus?

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>No BFR

>Juggernaut

Thats a bad idea

Also lol Magik is there. Might wanna not have her, cause last I checked she absorbed the entire realm of Limbo

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@batvibe12:

no that would be too much for the Mutants

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@skywalker95: @bluemangod:

uh magneto is a team buster as well he has beat the x-men and the avengers at the same time on multiple occasions.

and manhunter is no where near as strong or as fast as supes and he lacks certain traits to match batman but i get the comparison.

martians have to much iron in there blood magneto could exploit that.

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Im confused. Are we going by the characters in the pictures or are we using every X-Man who has ever been on the roster, dead currently or not?

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Despero facing a team with no Xavier? They get TP'd

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@pyrofn: just the characters in the pic vs Despero and Martian Manhunter

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@apex_pretador:magneto is immune to telepathy unless your name is onslaught and he can also amplify psionic powers and there are 2 omega level telepaths and psilocke who is a really powerful telepath as well i think they can hold him off for a bit mentally.

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Despero and Manhunter.

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I say despero and mmh. They could blitz everyone here. Plus I don’t think Psylocke, Rachel, and Emma could take Mmh and despero in a psychic battle.

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@comic_book_fan: Onslaught or Jean Grey. I’m not sure if Martian Manhunter ranks higher than them, but many seem to think he is. Either way, Magneto should be able to deal with Martian Manhunters telepathy considering his experience with telepaths.

I can’t remember when Magneto was capable of amplifying psionic abilities. What issue out of curiosity, or perhaps arc?

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Needless to say, they ain’t getting past Kitty Pryde, who can not only phase, but has a bit of psychic immunity thanks to her powers.

Emma is world class renowned telepath, rivaling Xavier and Jean Grey as one of the most powerful telepaths after them and whoever is on their level, respectively. Rachel is an omega level mutant boasting in the power category. Psylocke in recent times has displayed world levels of telepathy, being capable of contacting different X-Men across the globe without Cerebro when Shadow King made her powers go haywire. The combined efforts of two confirmed planetary level telepaths and an omega level telepath should be enough to combat the opponents, especially if Emma has the two telepaths feed her psychic energy to boost her talents like how the Cuckoos and Teen Jean have done for Emma.

Then we have Logan with level 9 psi shields installed by Charles Xavier himself and a healing factor good enough to bring him back from being nothing but bone.

Then there is Storms Will and powers giving her the capability to resist telepathic invasion of her mind that give the likes of Charles Xavier and Jean Grey a hard time.

Cyclops has training from Xavier, Emma, and Jean Grey to resist psychic invasion, so he’d have to be taken down physically or be concentrated on if telepathic assault is their choice, which will most likely not work with a whole team on their butts.

Then the wild card everyone here seems to be forgetting. Hope Summers is in the picture, who not only can access every single characters powers in the picture, but can tap into the Phoenix Forces power to a degree even while not being it’s host. If she has Cables Psimitar with her like she did in Jean Grey #9 and 10, then that will amp the psychic talents of any psychic wielding it, including herself who will most definitely use Rachel’s, Emma’s, or Psylockes telepathy in this battle along the other mutants powers.

I highly doubt Despero and Martian Manhunter can deal with everyone in the pic. I vote X-Men.

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Either solos

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#20  Edited By chiq

Team.

With all the distractions in place, Magik can cloak herself,block TP and summon demons for additonal help. Zatanna was able to stop despero with magic and she can harm intangible beings and light MM with hellfire or take their souls. She can teleport desperos head off.

She can also sense invisible targets like when she saw past the Phoenix force cloaking a huge area for Jean.

Not sure but can't Hope amp herself with tp power or mm and despero?

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#21  Edited By comic_book_fan

@pyrofn: it was in a multitude of stories the story i saw him do it in was fatal attractions but i saw scans from other comics as well.

and manhunter may be more skilled than jean but not more powerful but he can't touch onslaught at all.

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X-Men Team stomps.

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@comic_book_fan: Can you bring examples of skill? Most always seem to note feats of power rather than skill when it comes to Martian Manhunter, so I’d like to see what Manhunter has done to compare to Jean in the skill category.

Don’t worry, I agree with the sentiment of Onslaught. I was just noting Jean to have been the only other telepath to pierce Magneots psychic defenses with an issues worth of an illusion. (Some even more his helmet being on in the issue)

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Team DC.

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#25  Edited By CryoModeste

Psylocke and Emma Frost will defend team against psychic attacks.

No matter what Despero and MMH can`t hurt Juggernaut and Iceman due to their resistance & range of powers

X-Men wins

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@chiq: she can’t copy mm or Despero since they’re not mutants.

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X-Men wins this battle without any TP involved.

The question to me becomes can Emma, Psylocke and Rachel can provide enough TP resistance until the battle ends for the team. I think it is likely.

So going team X-Men here.

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@skywalker95: Hope Summers has copied a non-mutant powers in her history. Scarlet Witch is that non-mutant. She has also absorbed Shao Laos abilities accidentally before, so her powers aren’t restricted to mutants.

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Mutants win, but not without casualties.

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While MMH and Despero are absolute powerhouses, I would have to give this to the X-Men.

The X-Men have 3 Omega Mutants in Hope, Rachel and Iceman there, 2 team busters in Magneto and Magik, and 2 Omega level telepaths to protect them from psychic assault in Emma and Psylocke.

Both Magneto and Rachel have shown the ability to generate shields strong enough to survive cosmic level attacks. Hope and Rogue could either absorb or copy MMH or Despero’s powers. Colossus and Namor would end up tanking. Plus that’s not even taking in to account the amount of damage Storm or Cyclops could generate.

Also there is Rachel’s ability to time travel, which Hope could copy.

Going to have to say X-Men on this.

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X-Men

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Team duo

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Manhunter is honestly the best superhero with TP at the moment. Not even base Jean or Xavier could match evenly with him. People thinking Magneto or Colossus are gonna survive through their helmets? lol Jean was able to get through it and keep him in a illusion that lasted a near whole issue, and also got through Juggernaut's helmet two times.

Emma got beat by Jean, and Psylocke has been embarrassed multiple times by Shadow King, who is lesser than both of the psychics here.

Hunter's range of abilities makes him a tough foe, and enhanced Despero could match fists with Superman, so he could overpower anyone here physically, as well as hold off both the JLA and JSA AT THE SAME TIME, as well as smacking up half of them.

The duo win due to overall better TP and intellect to boot.

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Probably the DC team. Great fight, though.

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#42  Edited By fabricolage

I'll go with DC. Kill Despero, if they ever can, and he just possesses one of the X-men and enslaves the others. 'Kill' MMH, and he regenerates before trapping them in their own minds.

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X-Men

Hope can potentially solo

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Storm, Magneto, iceman, Jean, Rachel, Namor and Col and Magik are the only ones relevant.

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yea X-Men stomp hard, Magneto could solo either

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X-Men easily.

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x-men

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@patriotbear: How so, we have a villain similar to Magneto: Dr. Polaris who literally curbstomped John and Despero without his TP that Erik's helmet blocks would stomp him.

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When did Polaris fight Despero, let alone curbstomp him?