X-Men / Mutants vs Avengers

Mutants

Avengers

The Avengers found a way to invade Krokoa and are ready to destroy the Mutants

Rules

• The images are just illustrative
• Every mutant that was seen in Krokoa heroes, villains etc
• All the Avengers ever
• Since the Avengers are lacking of base universal reality warpers and hax Dr Strange has the reality stone and Sentry has Void
• The rest at base power without amps
• Standard gear

All bloodlusted no BFR

Who wins?

Jaimie Braddock and Proteus duo

All Avengers?

Sentry, Dr. Strange, Scarlet Witch, Star Brand, Captain Universe, Thor, Hulk, Blue Marvel, Hyperion, Spectrum, Hercules, Quasar, Red Hulk, Ex- Nihilo, Doom, Magneto, Enchantress, Loki etc

That's a lot of firepower...

@green_skaar: Silver Surfer etc

Every Avenger ever

Mad Jim Jaspers is a mutant, so...

Have they been confirmed at Krokoa? I don't recall seeing them, but maybe I missed a tie-in.

@metaversalnerd34: @soratoumiga:

he wasn't in Krokoa neither was Franklin

"Every mutant that was seen in Krokoa"

@green_skaar: Ah, apparently not. Thought it was every mutant ever.

That way, I think Avengers can win this, unless Jamie Braddock is on mutant team as well. Proteus gets soloed by Strange, tbh.

Avengers wreck.

@soratoumiga: jamie has been resurrected on Krakoa in the Excalibur comic

@martinceld: Okay, but I can't stop laughing at that pfp.

@soratoumiga: it's what comicvine deserves

We can only hope it stays gone

Lol that's your avatar!

@martinceld said:

@soratoumiga: it's what comicvine deserves

We can only hope it stays gone

The telepaths can do this alone

Xavier with Cerebro + Jean + Rachel + Apocalypse + Emma + Exodus + Rachel + Sinister + Kid Omega + The Cuckoos

Yeah I think there's too much telepathy going on for the x-men. But really, there are so many characters it's hard to tell how this would go

What's to stop the them from getting blitzed first? Especially since everyone is bloodlusted. Avengers have legit light speeders.

@martinceld said:

@green_skaar said:

Lol that's your avatar!

@martinceld said:

@soratoumiga: it's what comicvine deserves

We can only hope it stays gone

LMAO

Speed of thought > light speed as it's why Spectrum has been taken down by a form of telepathy since it's faster than her combat speed. X-men should win but a few Avengers high tiers make them work hard for it.

Spectrum also move at the speed of thought. She's just weak to TP in all.

LOL at speed of thought being above speed of light, i guess Daredevil is FTL then

Speed of thought is a useless metric to go by, because the speed at which someone like Daredevil or Wolverine process a thought is much different than the speed someone like Superman or Flash process a thought.

This is a pretty pointless thread, just find out the most powerful character that has been an Avenger or X-men, which given the recent solicitations that would be Franklin Richards, so he solos.

@underfire47: thanks another scan to add to my collection on why the speed of thought isn’t nothing unless you can back it up consistently lmaoo

Well Dr Strange fought Moondragon with the mind stone and someone suggested that Sentry it's the most powerful telepath 😷

@underfire47: Franklin was never in Krakoa

@cruelrain: He is gonna be very soon.

Bloodlusted Sentry solos, there I said it.

Majority of characters are weak to telepathy but speed of thought has outpaced her combat speed.

@underfire47 said:

LOL at speed of thought being above speed of light, i guess Daredevil is FTL then

Speed of thought is a useless metric to go by, because the speed at which someone like Daredevil or Wolverine process a thought is much different than the speed someone like Superman or Flash process a thought.

This is a pretty pointless thread, just find out the most powerful character that has been an Avenger or X-men, which given the recent solicitations that would be Franklin Richards, so he solos.

Comparing moving at the speed of thought (human speed) to speed of thought of telepathy outpacing speedsters consistently, yikes you must feel bad.

@hellionvulcan said:

@kasya_carey said:

@hellionvulcan said:

@green_skaar said:

What's to stop the them from getting blitzed first? Especially since everyone is bloodlusted. Avengers have legit light speeders.

@emmafrostxmen said:

The telepaths can do this alone

Xavier with Cerebro + Jean + Rachel + Apocalypse + Emma + Exodus + Rachel + Sinister + Kid Omega + The Cuckoos

Speed of thought > light speed as it's why Spectrum has been taken down by a form of telepathy since it's faster than her combat speed. X-men should win but a few Avengers high tiers make them work hard for it.

Spectrum also move at the speed of thought. She's just weak to TP in all.

Majority of characters are weak to telepathy but speed of thought has outpaced her combat speed.

In a speed of thought she changed into her light form and traveled to the Avengers mansion at light speed. She also performed a nanosecond feat before the avengers could even think.

@underfire47 said:

LOL at speed of thought being above speed of light, i guess Daredevil is FTL then

Speed of thought is a useless metric to go by, because the speed at which someone like Daredevil or Wolverine process a thought is much different than the speed someone like Superman or Flash process a thought.

This is a pretty pointless thread, just find out the most powerful character that has been an Avenger or X-men, which given the recent solicitations that would be Franklin Richards, so he solos.

Comparing moving at the speed of thought (human speed) to speed of thought of telepathy outpacing speedsters consistently, yikes you must feel bad.

Marvel need made anything clear about the speed of thought. Everything they used it, it was supposed to be faster than light. Also Quicksilver has out ran Exodus tp and psi bolts before.

Like I said before X Men have too many telepaths

Mutants

Mutants

@hellionvulcan said:

@kasya_carey said:

@hellionvulcan said:

@green_skaar said:

What's to stop the them from getting blitzed first? Especially since everyone is bloodlusted. Avengers have legit light speeders.

@emmafrostxmen said:

The telepaths can do this alone

Xavier with Cerebro + Jean + Rachel + Apocalypse + Emma + Exodus + Rachel + Sinister + Kid Omega + The Cuckoos

Speed of thought > light speed as it's why Spectrum has been taken down by a form of telepathy since it's faster than her combat speed. X-men should win but a few Avengers high tiers make them work hard for it.

Spectrum also move at the speed of thought. She's just weak to TP in all.

Majority of characters are weak to telepathy but speed of thought has outpaced her combat speed.

@underfire47 said:

LOL at speed of thought being above speed of light, i guess Daredevil is FTL then

Speed of thought is a useless metric to go by, because the speed at which someone like Daredevil or Wolverine process a thought is much different than the speed someone like Superman or Flash process a thought.

This is a pretty pointless thread, just find out the most powerful character that has been an Avenger or X-men, which given the recent solicitations that would be Franklin Richards, so he solos.

Comparing moving at the speed of thought (human speed) to speed of thought of telepathy outpacing speedsters consistently, yikes you must feel bad.

Yikes

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Mutants have way too many powerful reality warpers for the Avengers to handle. The likes of Franklin, Jaimie Braddock, Mad Jim Jaspers, Marquis of Death. Matter manipulators like Chris Malloy, Mr M, Vulcan, Exodus, Jean gray. And q plethora of extremely powerful telepaths. Mutants win this handily

@prinstonzod: Just the ones that were in Krakoa...

@Cruelrain: Oh. The mutants are a little bit nerfed then. Also, I don't see Void Sentry being of much difference IMO. I still believe the Mutants take this with difficulty. I might change my view point if someone makes a good argument for the Avengers

@underfire47 said:

@hellionvulcan said:

@kasya_carey said:

@hellionvulcan said:

@green_skaar said:

What's to stop the them from getting blitzed first? Especially since everyone is bloodlusted. Avengers have legit light speeders.

@emmafrostxmen said:

The telepaths can do this alone

Xavier with Cerebro + Jean + Rachel + Apocalypse + Emma + Exodus + Rachel + Sinister + Kid Omega + The Cuckoos

Speed of thought > light speed as it's why Spectrum has been taken down by a form of telepathy since it's faster than her combat speed. X-men should win but a few Avengers high tiers make them work hard for it.

Spectrum also move at the speed of thought. She's just weak to TP in all.

Majority of characters are weak to telepathy but speed of thought has outpaced her combat speed.

@underfire47 said:

LOL at speed of thought being above speed of light, i guess Daredevil is FTL then

Speed of thought is a useless metric to go by, because the speed at which someone like Daredevil or Wolverine process a thought is much different than the speed someone like Superman or Flash process a thought.

This is a pretty pointless thread, just find out the most powerful character that has been an Avenger or X-men, which given the recent solicitations that would be Franklin Richards, so he solos.

Comparing moving at the speed of thought (human speed) to speed of thought of telepathy outpacing speedsters consistently, yikes you must feel bad.

Yikes

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He still gets tagged or can you not read and see what's happening on panel, plus she's using psi bolts not telepathy to shut him down as many X-men do that religiously so take your own L's cause it's what you're used to taking.

Charles mind wiping Spidy casually and throw in every other X-men telepathy on top of that the Avengers get royally screwed mentally.

@hellionvulcan: not my argument but where was it stated psi bolts are slower? It’s still telepathy

@kasya_carey: Marvel need made anything clear about the speed of thought. Everything they used it, it was supposed to be faster than light. Also Quicksilver has out ran Exodus tp and psi bolts before.

Psi bolts is understandable to outpace since it's a literal ranged attack but telepathy it self is far different, the fight you referenced Quicksilver didn't outrace telepathy since Exodus did a blanket telepathy kill move within range of himself but Quicksilver had left the area plus it's mentioned by quicksilver isotope E amp'd him. Full fight uploaded here to avoid any confusion as Exodus was going to telepathically seize his mind but Quicksilver baited him in to do a blanket attack instead.

It's has to tag the person they're shot at otherwise it'll miss but mentally entering and mind wiping or shutting down someone without actually using psi bolts is far different, Spidy Quicksilver etc can't dodge/outpace Charles (or any other high tier telepathic) mind wiping them but both could dodge his psi bolts if he ever relied on them.

@hellionvulcan said:

@underfire47 said:

@hellionvulcan said:

@kasya_carey said:

@hellionvulcan said:

@green_skaar said:

What's to stop the them from getting blitzed first? Especially since everyone is bloodlusted. Avengers have legit light speeders.

@emmafrostxmen said:

The telepaths can do this alone

Xavier with Cerebro + Jean + Rachel + Apocalypse + Emma + Exodus + Rachel + Sinister + Kid Omega + The Cuckoos

Speed of thought > light speed as it's why Spectrum has been taken down by a form of telepathy since it's faster than her combat speed. X-men should win but a few Avengers high tiers make them work hard for it.

Spectrum also move at the speed of thought. She's just weak to TP in all.

Majority of characters are weak to telepathy but speed of thought has outpaced her combat speed.

@underfire47 said:

LOL at speed of thought being above speed of light, i guess Daredevil is FTL then

Speed of thought is a useless metric to go by, because the speed at which someone like Daredevil or Wolverine process a thought is much different than the speed someone like Superman or Flash process a thought.

This is a pretty pointless thread, just find out the most powerful character that has been an Avenger or X-men, which given the recent solicitations that would be Franklin Richards, so he solos.

Comparing moving at the speed of thought (human speed) to speed of thought of telepathy outpacing speedsters consistently, yikes you must feel bad.

Yikes

Your life on comicvine

He still gets tagged or can you not read and see what's happening on panel, plus she's using psi bolts not telepathy to shut him down as many X-men do that religiously so take your own L's cause it's what you're used to taking.

Charles mind wiping Spidy casually and throw in every other X-men telepathy on top of that the Avengers get royally screwed mentally.

Nobody says she can't tag him ever, the point was she couldn't tag him every time, psi-bolts reacting at the speed of thought. You'd think that someone that's been on this site for 12 years and is probably in his 40's by now would have comprehend these things. But somehow you are still not realizing that not every TP user thinks at the same speed. Flash could recycle the whole Bible in his head before someone like Emma even forms a thought to TP someone like him. In fact i will let Flash explain it himself against 2 different telepaths, Thinker and MMH.

So what we learned today is that not everyones processes their thoughts at the same speed. Some can outhink characters that move at FTL speeds, most can't.

Not sure what that other scan is suppose to show, Spidey can't resist Xaviers TP, so obviously he could casually TP him even if he was on the other side of the planet, there is no dodging that.

@underfire47: Nobody says she can't tag him ever, the point was she couldn't tag him every time, psi-bolts reacting at the speed of thought.

React with the speed of thought as nothing states her psi bolts were at that speed lol, learn to read but it's insanely hard for you.

You'd think that someone that's been on this site for 12 years and is probably in his 40's by now would have comprehend these things.

Here comes the Ad hominem and i'm well away from my 40's as the guy with multiple accounts complaining about my time on this site is ironic.

somehow you are still not realizing that not every TP user thinks at the same speed. Flash could recycle the whole Bible in his head before someone like Emma even forms a thought to TP someone like him. In fact i will let Flash explain it himself against 2 different telepaths, Thinker and MMH.

No one in this fight operates on the Flashes level as you can't make any objective argument for the Avengers so called light speed combat feats to counter the X-men's telepathy lol.

So what we learned today is that not everyones processes their thoughts at the same speed. Some can outhink characters that move at FTL speeds, most can't.

majority of the x-men's telepathy characters can though lol.

Not sure what that other scan is suppose to show, Spidey can't resist Xaviers TP, so obviously he could casually TP him even if he was on the other side of the planet, there is no dodging that.

Because without you even knowing you made my point soundly.

@hellionvulcan: Quicksilver with the isotopes didn’t show any light speed or FTL feats that’s my point. He outraced several psi bolts and telepathy.

But was it stated Psi bolts are slower? Just because it tags people does not make it slower. All psi bolts are just pure psychic energy. It’s still telepathy

He didn't outpace telepathy as Exodus did a short range psi assault around him with Quicksilver baited him into it, Quicksilver left the area before he did the attack as he admitted as such on panel so he can't outpace telepathy as it's why his track record vs telepathy is trash.

@hellionvulcan: React with the speed of thought as nothing states her psi bolts were at that speed lol, learn to read but it's insanely hard for you.

Her reaction was with the speed of thought, where does it say her psi-bolts are excluded there? I mean it's easier for me than for you at your age.

Here comes the Ad hominem and i'm well away from my 40's as the guy with multiple accounts complaining about my time on this site is ironic.

Lol, it's not an ad hominem just a funny observation, i mean the guy with multiple accounts still hasn't been on this site even as half as much as you have. I mean 12 years... sheesh. However your passion is admirable, i only wish i had half of it for these comics once i reach your age.

No one in this fight operates on the Flashes level as you can't make any objective argument for the Avengers so called light speed combat feats to counter the X-men's telepathy lol.

I don't think i ever mentioned anyone on the Avengers operating at those speeds, i dunno where you invented that, is the age getting to you?

majority of the x-men's telepathy characters can though lol.

Really? That's awesome to know, i am sure you are gonna show me scans of all those X-men countering speedster attempting to blitz them at light speed.

Because without you even knowing you made my point soundly.

I mean i do make points better than you, so it would make sense that would apply to any point you are trying to make too lol.

@underfire47: psi bolts aren't thoughts. They are concentrated blasts of visible psychic energy. In that regard they are no different than any energy blast.

I agree with this. Quicksilver is no wehre on panel when Exodus attacks, and he homself admits that he left before the attack was made.

While telepathy is faster than light and telepaths in astral for, have been shown to move at faster than light speed and speed up their thoughts and perception. Telepaths in their physical body dont have ftl combat speed and can be blitzed

(this depends on the character though, Saviour Cable was able to react to light and manipulate it before it moved across the planet.

Though some characters can perceive and manipulate light, like psylocke, preshaman nate grey, Apocalypse, Magneto, i dont think those ones have it as combat speed.

But then we get back to the argument that these characters only need to think to fight and use their powers and if they can perceiven and manipulate things such as light and electrons, they should be able to use their powers on people moving at those speeds).

I mean. Storm can perceive and manipulate electrons

the electron travels at about 2,200 kilometers per second. That's less than 1% of the speed of light, but it's fast enough to get it around the Earth in just over 18 seconds.

And there are one or two scans of her reacting to or perceiving a lightning bolt.

But on a daily basis she gets tagged by normal humans, while at the same time consistently reacting to bullets and stopping them mid flight.

So is she human speed tier or bullet speed or lightning speed tier.

Look at apocalypse. In one book hes perceiving and counting millions of neutrinos in a second. Thats counting millions of lightspeed subatomic particles in one second. Then gets tagged by some idiotic caveman like thunder bird.

Xmen powers are just stupid. Like iceman slowing down the speed of light in an area. What does that even mean.