world forger (comics) vs new living tribunal (comics)

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#3  Edited By BreakOfDawn

Wait, did they retcon who created multiverse in DC again?

Living Tribunal should still win as long as he doesn't job.

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Wait, did they retcon who created multiverse in DC again?

Living Tribunal should still win as long as he doesn't job.

not sure but how would his faces agree or how wouldn't he job (I don't think he would I just would like to know how)

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well then world forger wins 7/10

I believe he is in a higher tier than nlt

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#7  Edited By arqe

@breakofdawn: I do think they are just expanding. Because there are worlds outside the Source Wall, like where the Otherkind came from( Justice League Dark ). Because if i remember correctly Fate said they are coming outside of the Source Wall since Source Wall has been ripped open or something like that couple of issues ago.

Because you know, there should be infinite earths but we know only 52 of them properly and there are no others inside the multiverse map.

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world forger created hypertime and multiverses, he wins

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Definitely The World Forger!

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Living Tribunal.
World Forger has no feats that suggest he could beat him.

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LT stomps hard

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This whole time I thought LT was bald.

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LT.

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@the_caped_crusader: Thats Adam Warlock who was appointed as the new living tribunal after the previous one was killed by Adam accidentally destroying the multiverse by waking up literally.

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I’m not sure who’d win world forger was beaten by amped Supe but keep in mind this Supes shattered the 6th dimension with a punch so he’s amp made him 6D in the least. And yes the scan below is the 6th dimension WF just made an earth there.

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Like I also said Adam destroyed the multiverse by waking up

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Ultimately they seem to operate on similar levels of power too close to say who wins. People who don’t know WF dont know he created Barbatos, Barbatos the batgod was made to devour dark universes but he didn’t so the dark universes made by WF made the dark multiverse. So WF is capable of casually creating multiversal entities, since Barbatos was meant to eat all dark universe which are infinite

With this knowledge I’d like someone to bring forth feats for Adam LT.

Otherwise this might be a stalemate

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@mbatz He didn't destroy the multiverse. Starlin's a moron and thinks that every reality has its own LT, so he explicitly wrote it as a single universe.

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#18  Edited By mbatz

@breakofdawn: Well starlin is retarded I actually didn’t know that he wrote it so it was each universe has a LT in Starlins run thanks

I guess that means WF would beat Adam LT but normal LT would be a stalemate I think but I’m tired I’ll probably change my mind later TBH

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#19  Edited By green_skaar

LT is like 11 or 15D, I forget offhand, I"m sure someone has the scan.

@mbatz said:

I’m not sure who’d win world forger was beaten by amped Supe but keep in mind this Supes shattered the 6th dimension with a punch so he’s amp made him 6D in the least. And yes the scan below is the 6th dimension WF just made an earth there.

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#20  Edited By etriel

@green_skaar said:

LT is like 11 or 15D, I forget offhand, I"m sure someone has the scan.

@mbatz said:

I’m not sure who’d win world forger was beaten by amped Supe but keep in mind this Supes shattered the 6th dimension with a punch so he’s amp made him 6D in the least. And yes the scan below is the 6th dimension WF just made an earth there.

Those dimensions are just parallel dimensions, no evidence of hierarchy, and are not Higher Dimensional planes. Lol

But I guess I am just "DCsplaining" because everyone knows that Marvel is the stronkest verse after all.

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@green_skaar: This is Adam LT after retcon

He isn’t nearly as powerful as pre-starlin run. Also the concepts of DC and marvel are too different to say who’s stronger by merely using dimensional levels I almost regret mentioning the 6D feat if it was going to be interpreted this way. I mean for a start worldforger made hypertime so he could be omniversal at best. DC hypertime is the location in which all DC multiverses exists in. And considering WF made dark and normal multiverse it’s not so unbelievable. But using current on panel feats he’s only multi-multiversal for creating the dark multiverse and normal multiverse and creating Barbatos the batgod that is multiversal since he can eat infinite universes. That’s why I say even pre-starlin LT is evenly matched with WF. Multi-multiversal by on panel feats WF and LT is judge of multiversals and has recreated multiverses. Hence why I say evenly matched, starlin version is spite.

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#22  Edited By mbatz

@green_skaar: Green skaar don’t listen to this guy watch me debunk he’s claims really quick

@etriel: If you think they are just parallel dimensions you know nothing about DC.

The forth dimension in DC is time is that a parallel dimension.

The fifth dimension which is home to Mr. Mxy is the realm of imagination and Mr. Mxy and all imps are definitely above the dimensions below.

The sixth dimension is home to the world forger and is described as the multiversal control room for the quarry of worlds but if you think there’s no hierarchy in dimensions you probably don’t know what the quarry of worlds is.

Not even fifth dimensional beings have the power to enter the 6th dimension save for Mr. Mxy and batmite who Snyder in JL run explained are the strongest imps.

So you are definitely wrong

And no DC multiverse > Marvel omniverse or above

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#23  Edited By etriel

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@etriel: If you think they are just parallel dimensions you know nothing about DC.

The forth dimension in DC is time is that a parallel dimension.

The fifth dimension which is home to Mr. Mxy is the realm of imagination and Mr. Mxy and all imps are definitely above the dimensions below.

The sixth dimension is home to the world forger and is described as the multiversal control room for the quarry of worlds but if you think there’s no hierarchy in dimensions you probably don’t know what the quarry of worlds is.

Not even fifth dimensional beings have the power to enter the 6th dimension save for Mr. Mxy and batmite who Snyder in JL run explained are the strongest imps.

So you are definitely wrong

And no DC multiverse > Marvel omniverse or above

I do agree that DC's Multiverse > Marvel Multiverse.

I just don't think that Living Tribunal is 16-D, he exists in 16-D space, it doesn't mean anything if he doesn't embody it, or at least a function in it.

I'm on your side.

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@mbatz said:

I’m not sure who’d win world forger was beaten by amped Supe but keep in mind this Supes shattered the 6th dimension with a punch so he’s amp made him 6D in the least. And yes the scan below is the 6th dimension WF just made an earth there.

According to DC editor.

Superman did not shatter the 6th dimension though.

https://twitter.com/dragonballzftz/status/1141289827121422341

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@etriel: I apologise sincerely apologise for the misunderstanding and I will take down the previous post if you want

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@nightwingx: Whether it’s true or not it doesn’t change he’s other feats in post 21 I was explaining how I regretted using dimensional levels to explain power and a victor.

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@green_skaar: This is Adam LT after retcon

He isn’t nearly as powerful as pre-starlin run. Also the concepts of DC and marvel are too different to say who’s stronger by merely using dimensional levels I almost regret mentioning the 6D feat if it was going to be interpreted this way. I mean for a start worldforger made hypertime so he could be omniversal at best. DC hypertime is the location in which all DC multiverses exists in. And considering WF made dark and normal multiverse it’s not so unbelievable. But using current on panel feats he’s only multi-multiversal for creating the dark multiverse and normal multiverse and creating Barbatos the batgod that is multiversal since he can eat infinite universes. That’s why I say even pre-starlin LT is evenly matched with WF. Multi-multiversal by on panel feats WF and LT is judge of multiversals and has recreated multiverses. Hence why I say evenly matched, starlin version is spite.

This information should be sufficient

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There is no difference between a Multiversal feat and a Higher Dimensional feat.

A higher dimension is a realm that is bigger than a regular multiverse. And the destruction of such, are higher levels of Multiversal feats.

The problem arises is when people assume that because you existed in a Higher Multiverse/Dimension, are automatically beyond Multiversal.

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The above is a demonstration of how Multiversal feats have different levels that span infinite levels of power, and more levels of power beyond infinite levels of power. In fiction that is.

Marvel has explored this idea before DC even did, and continues to, only that the latter has surpassed the former in potential.

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>Puts image to show tiers of multiversal

>Goku in said image above Mxy and Sonic

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#32  Edited By etriel

@ecoblitz said:

>Puts image to show tiers of multiversal

>Goku in said image above Mxy and Sonic

My bad, it is an image from months ago before my views on Xeno Goku changed, but you get the point.

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@mbatz: Oh. LT is a jobber nowadays.

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the classic LT wins. I hate when Marvel/DC makes old powerful characters lose just to show how powerful there new characters are.