@boutatakeanl:- From the scan of the planet being destroyed, I can't see a singular point of origin. It doesn't look like a gamma wave moving through the planet destroying it. I can't see any gamma radiation when we zoom out and see the planet in its entirety being destroyed.
Man it's super tiring, having to explain the 11 year old feat for this long... i wish Superman and GL and Shazam and MMH and WW, etc... all didn't suck so much and started getting their own planet busting feats, because after Hulk getting 3 of them in the last decade and inb4 "well they were shared feats", last time i saw a dozen DC superheroes tried to preform a shared feat of busting a Earth planet they failed, so miss me.
Anyway as for the question, the gamma radiation is everywhere it's whats burning up everyone
the thing is you have 2 gammas combined one from WBH and one from RSH.
- Also, when Strange and Banner are having their astral conversation, Hulk and Red Shulk are punching each other multiple times. I'm still a little wobbly on WBH and RSH releasing gamma radiation constantly. I guess that's substantiated in WBH's continent feat where he's releasing gamma waves while taking steps? But yeah, it doesn't strike me as one punch = planetary or one gamma burst = planetary.
The whole planet in Dark Dimension exploded from the single initial clash, it didn't explode after Hulk and RSH exchanged a dozen punches or fought for half an hour, they clashed and instantly the planet and everyone on it went to shit, how is that not one punch/one gamma burst = planetary?
- With regards to the actual planet busting, the collision b/w WBH and RSH has a lot to do with contributing to it. Aristeaus brought up a point when he said that it was a combined feat. Could you explain how that isn't a combined feat and how we can reason that the gamma waves themselves are planetary? I read through your explanations from 2 years ago, but I still couldn't definitively conclude.
Arusteaus doesn't seem to know much of anything regarding WBH, i mean just peep at this
I am not saying that Hulk can't break them with strikes. Your argument, however, is that they would die to a gamma burst. I doubt that very much. The Corps are literally space police. You have any idea how much radiation is in space? Even the movie Hal would survive WBH Gamma Bursts. Why on earth would you think the comic versions who are significantly stronger wouldn't?
Hal wouldn't be able to walk through a gamma burst from fucking Savage Hulk, the one that stunned OF Thor and took out a Celestial, let alone a movie version doing anything, so i dunno what he is smoking but it aint doing him any good
The WBH and RSH feat is a combined feat, the problem is they did not combine their powers to destroy the planet they hit and directed each other powers at one another but the sheer power they released meant that the planet they were on could not survive it, despite the power not being directed at it, that literally requires orders of magnitude greater power than it would if they directed their power towards the planet itself.
It's like when Mljonir Hulk and Hulked out Thor hit each other, their goal was not to destroy the planet, they didn't give a damn about the planet, they directed their powers at each other, this is very obvious but the planet they were on just couldn't take it
this is done to emphasize just the sheer power these characters are operating at. Anyone that denies "oh well they can't actually destroy the planet by themselves" is just in pure cope mode at that point. WBH/Hulk has one of the most documented and narrative driven explanations for why he is a planet buster than ANY OTHER CHARACTER in comics. I am not even exaggerating, from comics themselves that showed him destroying one with RSH to his weaker forms destroying more planets later, to multiple comics from multiple different writers confirming it, some comics even having entire plot points hinge on the idea that we might need to bring in Hulk to destroy rogue planets, to handbooks/biobooks, to interviews to everything you can imagine.
So the reason the gamma waves are planetary is because when WBH and RSH clashed and directed all that power/gamma at one another they still affected everything on a planetary scale, literally vaporized billions of beings across the planet, before the planet even fell apart.
@underfire47: Sorry man, I bet it's tiring af. I tried going through the prior explanations, but just couldn't see the reasoning all too clearly.
- So is it the clash or the gamma waves that bust the planet? Because a lot of the red stuff being dispersed could just be magma from the planet or the core of the planet. When we look at that planet, it looks like a lot of material/heat is being projected outward. It doesn't look like one or two waves of gamma radiation sweeping through a planet busting it. It definitely covered the surface and incinerated all the beings nearby, but I can't see anything else in that scan to substantiate the gamma waves themselves destroying the planet.
- Again, lol at anyone on the DC team doing anything to even a single WBH, but I still needed to clarify for the sake of debating in good faith.
Hulks gamma is often depicted as being able to destroy physical things, even back in WWH, him just walking was enough to destroy the continent and you can see a shit ton of gamma spew out from the ground as it broke
@underfire47: Sorry man, I bet it's tiring af. I tried going through the prior explanations, but just couldn't see the reasoning all too clearly.
- So is it the clash or the gamma waves that bust the planet? Because a lot of the red stuff being dispersed could just be magma from the planet or the core of the planet. When we look at that planet, it looks like a lot of material/heat is being projected outward. It doesn't look like one or two waves of gamma radiation sweeping through a planet busting it. It definitely covered the surface and incinerated all the beings nearby, but I can't see anything else in that scan to substantiate the gamma waves themselves destroying the planet.
- Again, lol at anyone on the DC team doing anything to even a single WBH, but I still needed to clarify for the sake of debating in good faith.
Hulks gamma is often depicted as being able to destroy physical things, even back in WWH, him just walking was enough to destroy the continent and you can see a shit ton of gamma spew out from the ground as it broke
- Sure but that damage was caused by him walking around, not from the gamma radiation itself. The last two panels show Hulk walking and the POV shaking + damage.
- Also, Captain Atom can just amp himself by absorbing the radiation, could he not? The Flashes can also rearrange molecules via phasing. Wally should be pretty adept at that considering he's the fastest here and it's not like they're gonna job to someone as powerful as WBH.
@boutatakeanl: - Sure but that damage was caused by him walking around, not from the gamma radiation itself. The last two panels show Hulk walking and the POV shaking + damage.
If he can almost break a continent while walking, what happens when he is in a more powerful form and is fighting on a planet? This isn't really rocket science.
- Also, Captain Atom can just amp himself by absorbing the radiation, could he not? The Flashes can also rearrange molecules via phasing. Wally should be pretty adept at that considering he's the fastest here and it's not like they're gonna job to someone as powerful as WBH.
Maybe, i first need to see the kind of people Cap Atom has drained, cause the quantity of how much Atom has drained is irrelevant, what matters is how many people with resistance to draining has he drained. Since Hulk is highly resistant to draining
Hulk has resisted draining from LoebForce Rulk
and Rulk was particularly infamous for draining beings like Odin Force Thor, Watcher, Surfer, etc... which Rulk confirms with his own words here
Hulk has also resisted being drained by Darwin
Darwin being the same guy that drained Hela of her powers
Hulk has recently resisted getting drained by Rogue as well
Rogue is notorious for draining pretty much every Marvel hero at least once at some point but most notably she has literally drained Zarathos from Ghost Rider himself
On top of that Hulk has resisted being drained by the Elder Spikes for 7 straight hours
for reference the Spikes drain entire planets of life and even feed on dying stars
Another instance is a Kree space ship that was capable of draining Surfer, Strange and Namor of their powers
fails to drain the Hulk who resists and breaks the whole spacecraft from the backlash
There are quite a few more instances of Hulk resisting draining or intentionally overloading the person that drains him, but these are the more impressive ones that come to mind.
Not sure what re-arranging Hulks molecules is gonna do, but if Flash can phase through a gamma burst safely and BFR Hulk somehow than he can win that way.
@professorrespect: Absorbing Hulks gamma is quite dangerous indeed, as was shown when Hulk overloaded Lord Armageddons son with it, vaporizing him completely
as well as when he overloaded the god Chernobog with it
@boutatakeanl: - Sure but that damage was caused by him walking around, not from the gamma radiation itself. The last two panels show Hulk walking and the POV shaking + damage.
If he can almost break a continent while walking, what happens when he is in a more powerful form and is fighting on a planet? This isn't really rocket science.
Understood. I was just under the impression that the planet-busting scan itself revealed all of this information. Stupid on my part, but yeah. I get the strength part, but I still have yet to see the gamma waves themselves being planetary. The continent was destroyed because of the force generated by Hulk walking, not the gamma waves (as far as I know/can see).
- Also, Captain Atom can just amp himself by absorbing the radiation, could he not? The Flashes can also rearrange molecules via phasing. Wally should be pretty adept at that considering he's the fastest here and it's not like they're gonna job to someone as powerful as WBH.
Maybe, i first need to see the kind of people Cap Atom has drained, cause the quantity of how much Atom has drained is irrelevant, what matters is how many people with resistance to draining has he drained. Since Hulk is highly resistant to draining
Conceded. I don't have enough knowledge on him. I hear that he's really powerful and doesn't really have an upper limit to what he can drain. I'd assume that this would be exemplified when he's facing a planetary + threat. Speculation from hearsay though.
Hulk has resisted draining from LoebForce Rulk
and Rulk was particularly infamous for draining beings like Odin Force Thor, Watcher, Surfer, etc... which Rulk confirms with his own words here
Hulk has also resisted being drained by Darwin
Darwin being the same guy that drained Hela of her powers
Hulk has recently resisted getting drained by Rogue as well
Rogue is notorious for draining pretty much every Marvel hero at least once at some point but most notably she has literally drained Zarathos from Ghost Rider himself
On top of that Hulk has resisted being drained by the Elder Spikes for 7 straight hours
for reference the Spikes drain entire planets of life and even feed on dying stars
Another instance is a Kree space ship that was capable of draining Surfer, Strange and Namor of their powers
fails to drain the Hulk who resists and breaks the whole spacecraft from the backlash
There are quite a few more instances of Hulk resisting draining or intentionally overloading the person that drains him, but these are the more impressive ones that come to mind.
Uh... wow. Didn't know Hulk resists draining like that. Damn... However, couldn't Captain Atom still amp himself up by absorbing the gamma radiation released from the waves? I ask you because I'm sure you know a lot more of these characters than me.
Not sure what re-arranging Hulks molecules is gonna do, but if Flash can phase through a gamma burst safely and BFR Hulk somehow than he can win that way.
Uh... brain damage or something. I'd figure rearranging his molecules enough would probably kill him. Is there any way to scale WBH's healing to any of the other Hulks? I don't recall him healing anything while he was WBH (even though he took no damage from anything).
@underfire47: Sorry man, I bet it's tiring af. I tried going through the prior explanations, but just couldn't see the reasoning all too clearly.
- So is it the clash or the gamma waves that bust the planet? Because a lot of the red stuff being dispersed could just be magma from the planet or the core of the planet. When we look at that planet, it looks like a lot of material/heat is being projected outward. It doesn't look like one or two waves of gamma radiation sweeping through a planet busting it. It definitely covered the surface and incinerated all the beings nearby, but I can't see anything else in that scan to substantiate the gamma waves themselves destroying the planet.
- Again, lol at anyone on the DC team doing anything to even a single WBH, but I still needed to clarify for the sake of debating in good faith.
Hulks gamma is often depicted as being able to destroy physical things, even back in WWH, him just walking was enough to destroy the continent and you can see a shit ton of gamma spew out from the ground as it broke
- Also, Captain Atom can just amp himself by absorbing the radiation, could he not
Atom has never reliably absorbed this much Gamma radiation, especially when Darwin, a character who was able to contain the energies of Skyfathers couldn't actually drain Hulk without having to disappear as UF has already noted. It's a bit goofy sure, but at the same time it showcases how dangerous Gamma radiation is to absorb. Not to mention as I've already detailed as well, Atom has not been able to absorb far less from weaker characters, in fact he's failed at points to do so without overloading, which is something he tries not to let happen.
The Flashes can also rearrange molecules via phasing
....not to anything of this extent. It took Eobard Thawne multiple issues to escape out of a dimensional prison that was interlaced with radiation signatures.
Wally should be pretty adept at that considering he's the fastest here and it's not like they're gonna job to someone as powerful as WBH
It doesn't really matter when it's a omnidirectional blast; speed can't really do much about that.
- If you're referring to the mutant Darwin, I find it difficult to believe he's consistently powerful enough to contain the energies of a Skyfather. I know nothing of the character, so I'm just going off assumption/the little I know. Either way, is this more of a resistance to draining feat or does it showcase how dangerous gamma radiation is to absorb because it strikes me as the former?
- I don't see why durability would play a part in having your molecules rearranged. That's kind of a hax to bypass almost any defense one would possess.
- He can phase through the gamma wave.
- Can't a lot of these low showings be chalked up to PIS or jobbing? It's perfectly valid to state that all of these heroes fight in-character most of the time. They're not gonna be going for kills and they're not gonna abuse their power. I guess this doesn't really play in for durability feats, but strength, speed (getting tagged), etc... would all be affected by this. Wouldn't Captain Atom failing to drain someone potentially be affected by this, at least in some scenarios? Unless most of this is specified by context beforehand.
- Also, is it true Kyle is White Lantern or Ion throughout most of post-crisis, because I find that difficult to believe. Isn't he also ridiculously inconsistent with either amp?
@boutatakeanl: Understood. I was just under the impression that the planet-busting scan itself revealed all of this information. Stupid on my part, but yeah. I get the strength part, but I still have yet to see the gamma waves themselves being planetary. The continent was destroyed because of the force generated by Hulk walking, not the gamma waves (as far as I know/can see).
They are planetary when WBH and RSH clash, what do you think vaporizes the entire planet? It's a combination of both, obviously Hulk walking is causing all the earthquake but at the same time it's sending all the gamma underground and we see it spewing everything. In Las Vegas he didn't even walk, just him transforming almost broke the continent and for that gamma was specifically at fault
Conceded. I don't have enough knowledge on him. I hear that he's really powerful and doesn't really have an upper limit to what he can drain. I'd assume that this would be exemplified when he's facing a planetary + threat. Speculation from hearsay though.
He might not have an upper limit to what he can drain, but things he can drain have resistances. Just like with everything else. Rogue at one point drained literally every single hero in Marvel at the same time including Hulk when they all willingly gave her their powers, but when she tried to just drain Hulk forcefully one time she failed cause Hulk resisted her.
Uh... wow. Didn't know Hulk resists draining like that. Damn... However, couldn't Captain Atom still amp himself up by absorbing the gamma radiation released from the waves? I ask you because I'm sure you know a lot more of these characters than me.
That is possible, it depends on whether or not he can tank those same waves first. It's like asking couldn't Superman amp himself from a supernova? Technically he could, but first he needs to withstand that supernova.
Uh... brain damage or something. I'd figure rearranging his molecules enough would probably kill him. Is there any way to scale WBH's healing to any of the other Hulks? I don't recall him healing anything while he was WBH (even though he took no damage from anything).
You can't kill Hulk. Nothing has damaged WBH so far, with that said WBH gets all the healing feats of weaker incarnations, so if Savage Hulk survived and instantly healed from being vaporized, WBH can do the same and also quicker and easier.
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