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Who would win an arm wrestle? Jonn cannot use his other abilities and the surface is indestructible.

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@highaccuser: Martian wins. Diana is weaker than Superman. J'onn is closer to him.

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J'onn easily.

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#5  Edited By Frozen

I'm just throwing this out there --- a wild stab in the dark. There is a scan of Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman arm-wrestling, and it's in faulty context. They never arm-wrestled as it was Billy's dream (of throwing the match). This was in Power of Shazam #15.

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@frozen: it's worth noting captain marvel has overpowered jonn physically.

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@highaccuser: I believe he did. I can't remember the issue very well but Cap was distracted and Martian uppercutted him.

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John maybe, both are near Superman level of strength.

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There really needs to be consistency with strength in the justice league.

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@frozen: check sarens respect thread. It's somewhere on there.

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John maybe, both are near Superman level of strength.

J'onn is much closer.

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#12  Edited By Sy8000

@frozen: is he really MUCH closer? What strength feats does he have? And don't say punching out a distracted marvel because while that is unarguably impressive, Diana has done the same to a distracted superman.

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#13  Edited By Frozen

@highaccuser: In A League of One, she gets the jump on Superman and he beats her rather easily. She then tells him she knows she can't beat him without help.

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^ Though she also got Martian distracted with her lasso in the same comic.

And in her own fight with Captain Marvel in War of the Gods, she states Marvel is incredibly fast and powerful --- yet while on the defensive (giving her more time to dodge), she struggles to. IIRC Martian was multi-tasking in his fight with Marvel (I'll check @saren respect thread).

He arguably pulled more of The Earth.

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His showing against WW3 Black Adam (not the PIS telepathy fest) and White Martians (which smack Wonder Woman around) are much better.

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Probably Martian Manhunter.

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@frozen: Manhunter was simultaneously fighting a telepathic battle with the Gray Man while he was fighting Marvel.

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@saren said:

@frozen: Manhunter was simultaneously fighting a telepathic battle with the Gray Man while he was fighting Marvel.

Thanks for the clarification.

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Most likely MM. I'd say he's around Supes or equal while Diana is slightly below that.

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@frozen: just so you know I do acknowledge the considerable gap between WW and superman and no longer consider them neck and neck.

I do disagree that he won during league of one. She was fine afterwards. Plus she was clearly reluctant to fight. Her saying she can't beat him is legit though.

I'm not really sure what you're saying about her fight with marvel.

I don't recall Jonn having good showings against white Martians as far as strength goes, while Diana beat one physically. Also, the white Martians were knocking around everyone, not just her.

The rest I can agree with though. I'm leaning toward jonn to right now, I'm just surprised no one is going for WW.

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When has MM proven to be closer to Superman in strength than WW? It always been to my acknowledgement that she is 2nd in strength to Superman on the team ( with the exception of Billy Batson)

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@zhurong said:

When has MM proven to be closer to Superman in strength than WW? It always been to my acknowledgement that she is 2nd in strength to Superman on the team ( with the exception of Billy Batson)

Isn't that just an illogical conclusion because she's basically the female equivalent to him?

Superman has shown he can put WW to shame in strength, yet Superman can never get the upperhand with Martian Manhunter.

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@zhurong said:

When has MM proven to be closer to Superman in strength than WW? It always been to my acknowledgement that she is 2nd in strength to Superman on the team ( with the exception of Billy Batson)

Billy's equal to him (shown many times). Black Adam is arguably stronger. Martian has went toe-to-toe with heavier hitters and he was arguably pulling more of The Earth due to using four arms.

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@frozen: Is Black Adam part of the JL? No I said the team and I already stated with the exception of Billy. MM's powerset is what gives him a advantage over most people not his strength alone.

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It could go either way.

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I'm starting to feel like a certain user here is a sexist.

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#27  Edited By AllStarSuperman

I can't find the scan but Wonder Woman said she has planet level strength.

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Martian Man hunter easily.

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I'd say J'onn wins eventually.

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@frozen said:

@zhurong said:

When has MM proven to be closer to Superman in strength than WW? It always been to my acknowledgement that she is 2nd in strength to Superman on the team ( with the exception of Billy Batson)

Billy's equal to him (shown many times). Black Adam is arguably stronger. Martian has went toe-to-toe with heavier hitters and he was arguably pulling more of The Earth due to using four arms.

shazam is not superman's equal,superman has better feats in everything,pre 52 and new 52,and wonder woman did not struggle against shazam in war of the gods,she dominated the fight.

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MMH wins. mass and density increase FTW.

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#32  Edited By Frozen

@allstarsuperman said:

I can't find the scan but Wonder Woman said she has planet level strength.

She's not as strong as Superman. Wonder Woman also said she can't beat Superman without help (after having just lost). And someone will always use the Sacrifice fight (despite him hallucinating and her using kryptonite) against all the showings of him being more powerful.

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@frozen said:

@zhurong said:

When has MM proven to be closer to Superman in strength than WW? It always been to my acknowledgement that she is 2nd in strength to Superman on the team ( with the exception of Billy Batson)

Billy's equal to him (shown many times). Black Adam is arguably stronger. Martian has went toe-to-toe with heavier hitters and he was arguably pulling more of The Earth due to using four arms.

shazam is not superman's equal,superman has better feats in everything,pre 52 and new 52,and wonder woman did not struggle against shazam in war of the gods,she dominated the fight.

Right, no. Every fight with Superman and Captain Marvel has resulted in them being equals. When a new character beats the established character, that's how they're established. They both held the multiverse up (PIS, but it shows you writer intention).

No, she did not dominate that fight. She was on the defensive, then offensive, then it was broken up. She states how strong and fast he is.

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#33  Edited By Superguy1591

J'onn, Diana is strong, but not as strong as these boys.

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#34  Edited By Sy8000

MMH wins. mass and density increase FTW.

He can't do that here.

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#35  Edited By agent41

@frozen: it doesn't matter if WW said shazam was strong and fast?,she didn't say he was more powerful than her and yes she dominated that fight,he only hit her once.

in the four on panel fights that sup and WW have had in continuity,there has never been a clear victor and in each one,sacrifice is not the only example,Wonder Woman has held her own in other ocassions as well.,I'm not saying she's as powerful or more powerful than Superman,I don't believe that,she has held her own against Superman in every fight they have had,she has done just that.

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and in pre 52 WW helped superman to lift the spectre and he called her one of the mightiest beings along with superman.

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#38  Edited By Frozen

@agent41: No, they were fighting and she struggled. She hardly 'dominated' that fight.

Never been a clear victor? I believe I've already posted a fight with a clearvictor.

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Do you want to know something else? Wonder Woman was the primary character from that ^ story. Also, read your own scans --- she states while fighting the Doomsday possessed Superman that he's too powerful. That Superman wasn't even using his external attributes, he flat out overpowered her. Factor in your own scan of him backhanding her once he got serious.

Compare both of their showings against Doomsday. Compare his destruction of the probes in Our Worlds at War (that nearly killed her). Or when Batman with Superman's powers beat her (without the use of skill).

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They are both close to one another.

If I'm forced to chose I'd say WW edges him out. Martian Manhunter has no showings that puts him over her in physical strength and WW has a better track record against top tier opponents in terms of pure strength and fighting.

MM shines in terms of telepathy

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#41  Edited By agent41

@frozen: yes superman is more powerful,that is not the point,pre 52 WW wasn't way weaker than him,that is the point,and pre 52 shazam hasn't the feats to prove he is as powerful as superman,just like WW they have fought many times but never to the end,shazam did not dominate the fight against her in war of the gods,pre 52 WW has better feats than him,he was not more powerful than her.

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#42  Edited By leito

@frozen said:

@zhurong said:

When has MM proven to be closer to Superman in strength than WW? It always been to my acknowledgement that she is 2nd in strength to Superman on the team ( with the exception of Billy Batson)

Billy's equal to him (shown many times). Black Adam is arguably stronger. Martian has went toe-to-toe with heavier hitters and he was arguably pulling more of The Earth due to using four arms.

From that scan, I would say that WW, with her arms extended, is pulling more than MMH who has his arms bent as if curling a weight (deadlift vs curl). And in an armwrestle contest, he would only be using one arm.

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@leito said:

@frozen said:

@zhurong said:

When has MM proven to be closer to Superman in strength than WW? It always been to my acknowledgement that she is 2nd in strength to Superman on the team ( with the exception of Billy Batson)

Billy's equal to him (shown many times). Black Adam is arguably stronger. Martian has went toe-to-toe with heavier hitters and he was arguably pulling more of The Earth due to using four arms.

From that scan, I would say that WW, with her arms extended, is pulling more than MMH who has his arms bent as if curling a weight (deadlift vs curl). And in an armwrestle contest, he would only be using one arm.

No. He can shapeshift on a molecular level, the strength carries over. He can absorb mass to supplement his strength, he is probably pulling more than both of them. If he did use one arm, he'd still win.

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@frozen: yes superman is more powerful,that is not the point,pre 52 WW wasn't way weaker than him,that is the point,and pre 52 shazam hasn't the feats to prove he is as powerful as superman,just like WW they have fought many times but never to the end,shazam did not dominate the fight against her in war of the gods,pre 52 WW has better feats than him,he was not more powerful than her.

Captain Marvel's ''feats'' mean nothing if he can match him. That's how characters are established. Darkseid doesn't move a planet before slapping around Superman. Wonder Woman has no strength feats in the New-52 yet she did good against the kryptonians. Yes he was, when they fought she was on the defensive and remarked on how powerful and ''skilled'' he was.

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J'onn. If we use Superman as a benchmark, there are more instances of both being compared as equivalents in strength. I can think of at least one in Pre-Crisis, Pre-New 52 and New-52.

Ironically there is a comic in which WW is stated to be the most powerful between Aquaman, GL and MM IIRC. Though I take that very lightly as Batman actually beat all of them in a fight- I'm not even sure if its even Cannon or not.......

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@frozen: shazam didn't dominate that fight period,she was in the defence?,yes you usually try to defence yourself in a fight,shazam did not show to be more powerful than her in that fight.

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@frozen: I still disagree superman actually won in league of one. The fight was inconclusive. I don't doubt he would've won, but I don't think you should use it as an instance of him stomping her because that's not what happened.

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Martian manhunter easily, he is clearly stronger

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#48  Edited By Frozen

@agent41 said:

@frozen: shazam didn't dominate that fight period,she was in the defence?,yes you usually try to defence yourself in a fight,shazam did not show to be more powerful than her in that fight.

He wasn't more powerful per-se but he clearly made her work. She was in defence, she'd have put more effort into dodging yet she struggled and then commented he had ''skill'' (he didn't).

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@frozen: I still disagree superman actually won in league of one. The fight was inconclusive. I don't doubt he would've won, but I don't think you should use it as an instance of him stomping her because that's not what happened.

It's conclusive as it gets. Seriously. She sucker kicks him. She tries to do knock him out. He yells ''Enough!'' (which signifies he stops holding back) and then he puts her down. She admits she can't beat him down. There are no discrepancies there. It's not a story that low-balled her either, previously she captured Mannhunter by surprise.

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@frozen said:

@highaccuser said:

@frozen: I still disagree superman actually won in league of one. The fight was inconclusive. I don't doubt he would've won, but I don't think you should use it as an instance of him stomping her because that's not what happened.

It's conclusive as it gets. Seriously. She sucker kicks him. She tries to do knock him out. He yells ''Enough!'' (which signifies he stops holding back) and then he puts her down. He then puts her down. She admits she can't beat him down. There are no discrepancies there. It's not a story that low-balled her either, previously she captured Mannhunter by surprise.

Yes he knocks her down. That doesn't equal a victory. She was clearly conscious in the next scan. Again, I'm not saying she can beat him, I'm stressing he didn't stomp, or even beat her in that instance.

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#50  Edited By Frozen

@highaccuser said:
@frozen said:

@highaccuser said:

@frozen: I still disagree superman actually won in league of one. The fight was inconclusive. I don't doubt he would've won, but I don't think you should use it as an instance of him stomping her because that's not what happened.

It's conclusive as it gets. Seriously. She sucker kicks him. She tries to do knock him out. He yells ''Enough!'' (which signifies he stops holding back) and then he puts her down. He then puts her down. She admits she can't beat him down. There are no discrepancies there. It's not a story that low-balled her either, previously she captured Mannhunter by surprise.

Yes he knocks her down. That doesn't equal a victory. She was clearly conscious in the next scan. Again, I'm not saying she can beat him, I'm stressing he didn't stomp, or even beat her in that instance.

Yes he did. Not particularly ''stomp'' but he deals with her effectively. She's conscious but it clearly hurt her as he stopped holding back. She admits defeat. That's beating her. It isn't exactly a drawn out fight; it's a conclusive one though.