So Punisher can't more enemies while deflecting bullets. Thought so.
It's not about punisher, it's about fighting thugs isn't something so impressive, plus deflecting that bullet, most of street levels dodge them not deflect them but guys like Daredevil did with the help of Radar Sense. What kind of depowered is that?
Man, did you even think before typing that? Batman can do it with prep? So what? Why on earth would doing it with prep make it impressive? Diana did it without so. Please explain "nerve strikes for a rock". I'm dying to know what that means. Anyways, Batman and Wolverine are more skilled fighters than her, I wonder why you brought them up, when you are trying to prove that Punisher and Batgirl are better fighters, when neither of them are anywhere close to either Batman or Wolverine.
N, but the thing is how the hell she knew it was there without prep or studying that? Is she Karnak know? the point of Wolverine was, he knows a ridiculously OP nerve strike by practicing it, not just touching something.
No we don't. A squad of mercenaries are bound to have basic combat skills, if you claim they aren't then show why. Show Punisher fighting a similar number of street thugs using melee weapons. Prove that members of the Secret Society are stupid enough to send common street thugs for a dangerous mission. And the mercenaries are NOT from greek mythology, that's not what I said. Don't type replies in a hurry, first read my post carefully.
Then for F%$ sake why you claim they're skilled when they have nothing?
And it's important what is their basic-level combat skills, they vary greatly.
We don't know anything about them and without any single feat how are we supposed to consider they're greatly skilled?
Check his respect threads, it's his thing.
Isn't that their thing? to send idiots to be crapped by comic-logic until they're gonna make a show? If they weren't common idiots why the hell they couldn't do a shit, just getting humiliated?
No hurry, you said they're filled with greek myth unless you wrote it bad or I didn't exactly get it.
You know what, show complex moves performed by Barbara Gordon or Frank Castle to take down large groups of opponents. Or since anyone can do it, post scans of them doing the same with basic moves.
Again, check their respect threads, there are some yet they're more than what WW ever did. For "them" you can easily check guys like: Batman, Cap, Iron Fist, Taskmaster, Wolverine and the list goes on.
Then I wonder why you haven't posted a single scan of the character you are arguing for doing so.
What? Explain it more.
Then post scans of Punisher doing so. WHY ON EARTH would we need accomplishments for fodder? This is the most ridiculous argument I've heard. You haven't posted a single feat of Punisher fighting similar number of fodder, you haven't posted a single example of these "complex moves" that you think are needed, and you ask me for feats of fodder? The hypocrisy is unreal. Her magical weapon isn't being used more than as a melee weapon here, its not giving her any significant advantage. Her enemies are having laser guns with them as well. They aren't unarmed, in fact their weapons are better from a range and given the numbers advantage they have, they are the ones at an advantage. We have had many street levelers do better than her is true, but I'm not saying that she's THE most skilled person out there, just that she's more skilled than the ones mentioned ie Punisher and Batgirl.
Check respect threads, again, there's a lot to see.
We don't need for every fodder but when we're supposed to believe they're special things we need to see a few things from them.
Ha, check out anime forums.
Because we all know it's his thing plus, why do I need to bother myself to post them when there's respect threads? I checked WW and she hadn't any good thing to prove she's an above-average street level, that's why I'm asking in case if I missed something.
Blyat.
Ok.
And her enemies are in a close range, a 20 vs 1 may be an advantage but they're less than 10, at least in the scan they are.
You said yourself that street-levelers are better, They're street-levelers and by feats like those fodders, those two have a lot more feat against thugs, mercenaries, killers and etc.
What powers? Elaborate. I can understand that you're scraping the bottom of your barrel in your attempts to lowball, but tell me what proof do you have for this. Her super hearing was compromised with the helmet she was wearing during the first part of the fight and she thoroughly dominated.
Even trained guys like Batman and Cap had problems when they were blind let alone Gordon and Castle. Show that page, also it's removed, isn't that supposed to come back?
I don't see any "predicting" opponents. I see him dodging hit from and taking out one random thug. Dodging Spider-man when Peter's also shouting at the top of his voice is as impressive as fighting as opponent and beating him without eyesight? Are you f*cking kidding me?
It was one of his feats you can check more of them.
You need to open your eyes and see that he noticed it seconds before the shout.
What makes it important? they're physically in a same tier so are Captain America and Batman and there is always a war on who will win since we have a ton of top-level feats from them. What Medusa accomplished to prove she is a highly skilled combatant?
But we're not comparing her with Bruce or Steve. We're comparing her with Frank and you can't show me a scan where Frank takes out an 80 year old woman without seeing her.Repeating yourself over and over and asking for Medusa's feats does not prove your case of Frank Castle being a better fighter.
The point of that is people being in a same physical tier won't make much of difference unless there's a noticeable edge.
Yes, it doesn't, in fact it asks for how much skilled she was that WW bested her? low level? high level?
Ok, 1st3rd4th fights against Daredevil resulted in his victory.
You call those victories? Oh God, I haven't had a laugh this good in a while. Let's look at these "victories" shall we?
A fight where he beat DD not by skill (in fact he didn't even match him in skill or any sort of h2h) but by a tranq dart. Also, a low showing for DD where couldn't see Castle's sucker punch coming despite his radar sense and Castle being a couple feet away. Zero skill showing for Castle.
And what makes it good is he used anything he got against a guy with a great advantage against him, if that's the case then why the heck we don't see WW beating Batman with pure skill? you see? she used her powers and this guy is using his tools, however he actually gone into a more prolonged fight than any fight WW had with a guy skilled as DD.
A fight where he gets his ass handed to him by DD before the two fall out a window and Castle comes out on top because he dislocates Matt's shoulder when Matt is hanging and grabbing him, and then falling on a railing on his back. He got lucky, otherwise he would've gotten his butt handed to him. And somehow this is impressive........
Yes he got his ass beaten, bit he endured it and held his own, dislocated his shoulder is a skill isn't it? if not then I don't what is. Still, he held his own until, yes he got lucky but the fact he held his own is what makes it impressive.
Alright, I'm confused, didn't you see this scan before posting? Castle had hidden sonic disruptors for DD because he didn't stand a chance against Matt. He himself claimed a couple pages ago. Using sonic disruptors to beat DD is a skill feat? This scan was from the 2000 series of Punisher #3. Next time check the scans you've ripped off respect threads before posting them.
It's a combat strategy feat, his skill to understand. Plus he had enough skills to put him done after outsmarting him.
Sure Logan is nerfed, he has endured pains far worse than a hit in the jewels and kept on fighting. Hell in the same fight Logan doesn't even flinch after getting his face blown off, and suddenly he's rendered impotent by a hit below the belt? And Castle gets manhandles throughout the fight otherwise. Once again, zero skill showing.
Held his own enough. Call it whatever you want, but what if it's some kind of pressure point? no one knows, but just holding his own and hitting him in the right place is still a feat.
You mean took him by surprise and hacked off his arms before Wade could do anything? That's some Batman level skill right there.....
Would give DP any time to get up? surprising him and beating his ass throughout his skill isn't a small feat.
Ok, finally a fighting feat. Was that so difficult?Anyways, I see MK landing more hits and also blocking Castle twice before this extremely short fight is interrupted. The only reason Castle manages to last is the same he lasted against Logan in the scans you posted above: he has great pain tolerance and damage soak. No extraordinary skill. Nothing a depowered Diana can't replicate as I've posted better feats for her so far.
Then you don't know MK if you think it's not difficult.
Going head-to-head with someone skilled as him needs skill, and Frank held his own, MK is a top-tier street-leveler.
And? just because his endurance is top notch?
Sure, surprising DP and don't giving him a chance isn't a skill, hitting Logan in the right place isn't a skill, holding your own against MK isn't skill.
......for four panels after which Widow seems to have the upper hand. Also, Castle runs away and uses a different approach to get Widow off him. This hardly counts as a stalemate. They fought for what, ten seconds? Less? "Stalemating" her for that short a period makes him somewhat more impressive than fodder level, nothing more.
Still, he fought her and held his own, just knowing she's an acrobatic fighter and changing approaches is also a tactical combat feat itself. You ask me? man, they fought and this is important. Yeah sure nothing more, since we don't know who time can pass in comic pages.
After seeing these feats, I'm gonna stick to my original opinion. Castle has skills somewhat above an average soldier or SHIELD agent, which is above fodder level. He has impressive pain tolerance and damage soak which helps him last a while against people like Daredevil or Wolverine until some plot device helps him.
Okay stick, it's your opinion but if you want more feats go to any respect thread except Reddit.
That's my problem with him.
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