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#351 Edited by jagernutt (16346 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't her clothing power limiters?

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#352 Posted by ancient_god (6567 posts) - - Show Bio

Uxas

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#353 Edited by grungerocker1983 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Kids, WW would put up a temporary fight, but Darkseid would ultimately win the fight. One good hit on Diana, followed by an Omega Beam, WW would be nothing more than ash. Darkseid, after all, is DC's god of destruction.

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#354 Posted by deactivated-599b4bc7465db (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

If superman can beat him so can Diana.

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#355 Posted by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid.

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#356 Posted by AbelHsu (3533 posts) - - Show Bio

If superman can beat him so can Diana.

Superman > WW,she sin't beating Darkseid,not even a slim chance.

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#357 Posted by destinyman75 (14309 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana has a slim chance she has harmed him before and blocked darksieds beams, so it's not out of the ball park but darksied certainly gets the majority

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#358 Posted by deactivated-599b4bc7465db (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

@abelhsu said:
@willienotwilliam said:

If superman can beat him so can Diana.

Superman > WW,she sin't beating Darkseid,not even a slim chance.

No he isn't. She was intended to be as strong and as fast as him and has (on and off) shown to be as strong as him. She has superior fighting skills too so there's nothing stopping her from winning this fight if superman has in the past.

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#359 Posted by AbelHsu (3533 posts) - - Show Bio

@abelhsu said:
@willienotwilliam said:

If superman can beat him so can Diana.

Superman > WW,she sin't beating Darkseid,not even a slim chance.

No he isn't. She was intended to be as strong and as fast as him and has (on and off) shown to be as strong as him. She has superior fighting skills too so there's nothing stopping her from winning this fight if superman has in the past.

The only advantages WW has against Superman are skills and reflexes.Superman is superior in physicals.

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#360 Posted by LaPresagio (102 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid. His beams have one shoted superman into unconscious before and has the power to turn beings into dust. They don't hurt superman because he's from a whole new different planet and of different Race,he's the "man of steel". That Cant be said for Diana, she's just an amazon and is vulnerable to the beams just as she's vulnerable to bullets and superman isn't, if these beams we're to connect she'd get turned into dust. To my knowledge she's never suffered a beam to the body, using her bracelets to deflect them. The speed of the beams are also fast, being able to chase down flash and force him to get them locked on another target and they couldn't be outran by superman. So if a beam connects long story short wondy goes bye bye.

Now the strength he possesses to me I feel is underated, he can easily overpower foes and was strong enough to break green lanterns arm and a ring with his bare hands. He's fought foes powerful then those in the justice league for days and handled the justice league and the earth twos league all by himself too.

Speed feats, darkseid should be able to keep up with her and react to her pretty well, he's appeared behind superman before the hero. Could register what was happening and was able to react and land a hit on flash who was going very fast repeatedly attacking darkseid in a confrontation.

Darkseid has already showed that wonder women's lasso and sword won't do any good against him. Wonder women is a more skilled superman just In a female form,she'll put up a fight but she has nothing that'll put him down and I outclasses her in most categories. She'll win when it comes to cqc and skills but she'd eventually get overpowered.

Sorry for the lengthy post I have more but I'll end it here in the end of this fight wonder women will respect darkseid.

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#361 Posted by bowlt_swagg_320 (2249 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid stomps

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#363 Posted by KeyboardThug9 (462 posts) - - Show Bio

darkseid stomps

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#364 Posted by Emmanuelalake (428 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimatum Omega beam alone will do

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#365 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio


Sorry for the lengthy post I have more but I'll end it here in the end of this fight wonder women will respect darkseid.

As she does any adversary, still doesn't mean they will defeat her.

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#366 Posted by MightyKalEl (2206 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid.

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#367 Posted by LaPresagio (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: that was basically my way of saying she will lose. My reasons to why are stated above

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#368 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: that was basically my way of saying she will lose. My reasons to why are stated above

I know. And my point was that Diana has just as good a chance at beating Darkseid as Superman does because when it comes to speed, strength and durability the differences are so minute they are not worth dwelling on. Diana even has better defenses than Superman in the guise of her bracelets which nullified the much vaunted Omega Beams and has an unbreakable lasso to wrap Darkseid in.

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#369 Posted by Lord_Spectrum (4244 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid with same amount of difficulty as Superman.

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#370 Posted by LaPresagio (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: lol no... Darkseid was already shown to deal with the lasso without much difficulty.

She was seen taking a direct hit from the beams with her bracelets he was directly in front of her, darkseid has full control of his beams and can make them go in the direction he wants them to. She can't cover her back side of front while trying to trade or stop a blow from him at the same time. Wonder women simply gets overwhelmed.

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#371 Edited by blackpantherisb (7136 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid stomps, she would have a hard time hurting him at all, and he could one shot her with omega beams, or just beat the sh!t out of her. DS curbs.

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#372 Posted by Supermanforever (8203 posts) - - Show Bio

Are they actually arguuing for Wonder woman to win? Darkseid ends Dianas pitiful (as darkseid likes to say) life in no time at all.

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#373 Edited by AbstractRaze (2648 posts) - - Show Bio

Uhhhhhhh.... this is a head break actually, Wonder Woman blocked already Darkseid's Omega Beams, but just only saying that it punishes her, Wonder Woman is actually faster than the Omega Beams, her strength can harm Superman despite Superman is stronger but to really harm Darkseid, more strength is required such like Superman's strength where Wonder Woman's fighting skill doesn't really alter anything.

Darkseid wins with mid difficulties because he's more compact than Superman + he has the Omega Beams.

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#374 Posted by Supermanforever (8203 posts) - - Show Bio

If superman can beat him so can Diana.

Superman beating Darkseid doesnt mean diana would too. Supermans punches faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar stronger than Diana, which is needed to actually harm Darkseid and superman can fight against Darkseid because of his own durability and speed which gives him chance to keep the fight going. Diana is slower than superman, less durable than superman and punches weaker. So no really Superman first of all is not Darkseid level even though he beats him every now and then and certainly Diana can not beat him because Superman holds his own every now and then. This is merely a stomp for Darkseid.

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#375 Posted by omriamar (7068 posts) - - Show Bio

Ugly pic for WW and big D, anyway darkseid makes WW his bitch

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#376 Posted by Noone1996 (11691 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid stomps.

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#377 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: lol no... Darkseid was already shown to deal with the lasso without much difficulty.

She was seen taking a direct hit from the beams with her bracelets he was directly in front of her, darkseid has full control of his beams and can make them go in the direction he wants them to. She can't cover her back side of front while trying to trade or stop a blow from him at the same time.

Wonder women simply gets overwhelmed.

Has he now? When? Because I remember Final Crisis where it pushed him out of 3 billion hosts.

And Diana's arms can move around as well, whats your point? It's only when hack writers with plots in mind Diana ever takes a hit from a ranged attack.

Sure, she gets overwhelmed by having to cover herself from two sides, which isn't something that happens whenever she is facing more than one guy with a gun.

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#378 Edited by Wolfrazer (16193 posts) - - Show Bio
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Has he now? When? Because I remember Final Crisis where it pushed him out of 3 billion hosts.

And Diana's arms can move around as well, whats your point? It's only when hack writers with plots in mind Diana ever takes a hit from a ranged attack.

Sure, she gets overwhelmed by having to cover herself from two sides, which isn't something that happens whenever she is facing more than one guy with a gun.

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This is why WW's 'vulnerability' to piercing attacks is complete BS...because how is it anything would stab or cut her if she has that kind of speed/reflex?

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#379 Posted by deactivated-599b4bc7465db (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

@willienotwilliam said:

If superman can beat him so can Diana.

Superman beating Darkseid doesnt mean diana would too. Supermans punches faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar stronger than Diana, which is needed to actually harm Darkseid and superman can fight against Darkseid because of his own durability and speed which gives him chance to keep the fight going. Diana is slower than superman, less durable than superman and punches weaker. So no really Superman first of all is not Darkseid level even though he beats him every now and then and certainly Diana can not beat him because Superman holds his own every now and then. This is merely a stomp for Darkseid.

no he doesn't punch harder than her. they are on the same level in all but durability

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#380 Posted by Amendment50 (15428 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid obviously.

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#381 Edited by LaPresagio (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: yes darkseid has been shown yanking her Lasso and her with it, also breaking her grip(strength feat) and bringing her in where she meets a punch.

You're range attack statement was pointless, I made no claim regarding the beams hitting her from a long or mud distance.

That panel shows her blocking attacks from a distance with her bracelets, I'm talking her trying to block beams that can be controlled to go in ant direction. While being close to darkseid, she's taken a direct hit with him not doing anything but aiming to hit her with the omega beams, but can she take havib to deal with him attacking her and trying to block the beams at the same time is the question.

Even if she succeeds in keeping the beams from hitting her, she'll get hit , period and one hit from darkseid was shown to put Supergirl down for some time.

Another thing to note is, that doesn't show her covering her front and backside, she's covering her front where the attackers are firing their weapons and defending the incoming bullets from certain direction.

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#382 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

@lapresagio: And whats your point? A) The lasso doesn't automatically pacify the ones in it B) your example requires he still has the use of his arms, which can be taken away.

You are making the assumption the beams will actually hit her. Which we know for a fact they will not, and never have. You brining in a reliance on a ranged attack against someone who's ranged defenses are all but impenetrable makes brining up the Omega Beams the pointless addition to this discussion.

And it doesn't matter because Diana at one point had to block a million shards of a god flying at superluminal speeds towards a target from all over the universe and she blocked every single on of those shards as they came down like torrential rain. Difficult for her, certainly, but she managed

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'Even if she succeeds in keeping the beams from hitting her, she'll get hit'

By what? Darkseid's hands? Diana has taken punches from an enraged Superman near the sun who thought she was Doomsday, and all it did was make her black out for a couple of moments. Please show us where Darkseid has a striking feat to rival this.

And as you may have noticed, she is blind.

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#383 Posted by Supermanforever (8203 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever said:
@willienotwilliam said:

If superman can beat him so can Diana.

Superman beating Darkseid doesnt mean diana would too. Supermans punches faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar stronger than Diana, which is needed to actually harm Darkseid and superman can fight against Darkseid because of his own durability and speed which gives him chance to keep the fight going. Diana is slower than superman, less durable than superman and punches weaker. So no really Superman first of all is not Darkseid level even though he beats him every now and then and certainly Diana can not beat him because Superman holds his own every now and then. This is merely a stomp for Darkseid.

no he doesn't punch harder than her. they are on the same level in all but durability

based on what?

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#384 Posted by deactivated-599b4bc7465db (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

@willienotwilliam said:
@supermanforever said:
@willienotwilliam said:

If superman can beat him so can Diana.

Superman beating Darkseid doesnt mean diana would too. Supermans punches faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar stronger than Diana, which is needed to actually harm Darkseid and superman can fight against Darkseid because of his own durability and speed which gives him chance to keep the fight going. Diana is slower than superman, less durable than superman and punches weaker. So no really Superman first of all is not Darkseid level even though he beats him every now and then and certainly Diana can not beat him because Superman holds his own every now and then. This is merely a stomp for Darkseid.

no he doesn't punch harder than her. they are on the same level in all but durability

based on what?

the comics

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#385 Posted by Tedirey (2644 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman should win. Darkseid's Onega beams? The more he uses it, the more he goes down quickly as it is far too slow for Diana to handle and she will only redirect it back to him.

I see the fight exactly like that in Justice League War. Eventually she'll stab both of his eyes then it's game over.

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#386 Posted by AbelHsu (3533 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid stomps.

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#387 Posted by Supermanforever (8203 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever said:
@willienotwilliam said:
@supermanforever said:
@willienotwilliam said:

If superman can beat him so can Diana.

Superman beating Darkseid doesnt mean diana would too. Supermans punches faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar stronger than Diana, which is needed to actually harm Darkseid and superman can fight against Darkseid because of his own durability and speed which gives him chance to keep the fight going. Diana is slower than superman, less durable than superman and punches weaker. So no really Superman first of all is not Darkseid level even though he beats him every now and then and certainly Diana can not beat him because Superman holds his own every now and then. This is merely a stomp for Darkseid.

no he doesn't punch harder than her. they are on the same level in all but durability

based on what?

the comics

what puinch has she done on superman level? Superman even in new 52 shook the world with his punches. Give me a single wonder woman punch at that level. couldnt even handle new 52 doomsday let alone superman level.

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#388 Posted by Clamps (389 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid destroys her.

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#389 Posted by TheOneWhoKnows (4916 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid is certainly capable of defeating Wonder Woman.

But---

See with one's own eyes evidence mean nothing to people on this site.

Diana's unbreakable bracelets have blocked Darkseid's Omega Beams. The Amazon's unbreakable lasso has restrained and/or commanded Mongul and Kryptonian bruiser Non simultaneously, Marvel Comics Grandmaster, and DC Ares in his own realm where he is functionally omnipotent. Her atoms splitting sword has easily slashed Mongul, Superman, Doomsday, and-in just one stroke-pierced the Apokolips Lord (so imagine what multiple, super speed swings could do)...

...yet, people claim he can not only beat, but "stomp" and "destroy" her.

Facepalm.

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#390 Posted by Clamps (389 posts) - - Show Bio

What in the blue hell am I even reading.

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#391 Posted by blackpantherisb (7136 posts) - - Show Bio

This should be locked.

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#392 Posted by deactivated-599b4bc7465db (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

@willienotwilliam said:
@supermanforever said:
@willienotwilliam said:
@supermanforever said:
@willienotwilliam said:

If superman can beat him so can Diana.

Superman beating Darkseid doesnt mean diana would too. Supermans punches faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar stronger than Diana, which is needed to actually harm Darkseid and superman can fight against Darkseid because of his own durability and speed which gives him chance to keep the fight going. Diana is slower than superman, less durable than superman and punches weaker. So no really Superman first of all is not Darkseid level even though he beats him every now and then and certainly Diana can not beat him because Superman holds his own every now and then. This is merely a stomp for Darkseid.

no he doesn't punch harder than her. they are on the same level in all but durability

based on what?

the comics

what puinch has she done on superman level? Superman even in new 52 shook the world with his punches. Give me a single wonder woman punch at that level. couldnt even handle new 52 doomsday let alone superman level.

she's a highly skilled fighter with equal strength. i dont need to find feats for anything the logic is there

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#393 Posted by deactivated-599b4bc7465db (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid is certainly capable of defeating Wonder Woman.

But---

See with one's own eyes evidence mean nothing to people on this site.

Diana's unbreakable bracelets have blocked Darkseid's Omega Beams. The Amazon's unbreakable lasso has restrained and/or commanded Mongul and Kryptonian bruiser Non simultaneously, Marvel Comics Grandmaster, and DC Ares in his own realm where he is functionally omnipotent. Her atoms splitting sword has easily slashed Mongul, Superman, Doomsday, and-in just one stroke-pierced the Apokolips Lord (so imagine what multiple, super speed swings could do)...

...yet, people claim he can not only beat, but "stomp" and "destroy" her.

Facepalm.

exactly. this is the logic i expected from this website like 7 years ago not now. If you really think its a curbstomp then you clearly don't read or pay attention to her comic so you shouldnt even be talking about this imo if you think its a curbstomp. Even if Darkseid would win 10/10 she'd put up a fight every time

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#394 Posted by Darth_Nimrod (2758 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid stomps. This is silly.

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#395 Posted by ginman333 (3036 posts) - - Show Bio

Man, I know I had a martini after dinner tonight, but I didnt realize I made it with everclear. I must be hammered because I swear some people are arguing for WW....

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#396 Posted by TifaLockhart (21111 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid would be foolish to use ranged attacks against someone he knows can deflect the Omega Beams. His physical strength should be enough.

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#397 Posted by HeirToTheKingdom (9211 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid.

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#398 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

You know what I would like to see at this point in time?

-Some of the Darkseid supporters putting forth an argument for why he wins this.

Like I could break down a quick analysis for them to attack:

  • Strength: About equal I'd say, only the New 52 Darkseid has been depicted as above and beyond the levels Superman and Diana otherwise exist on. Before that Darkseid tended to be depicted as being about as physically strong as Superman, but no more than that, same as Diana. Both however may be lacking in sheer feats because Diana doesn't get called in to tow the Moon and Darksied shuns manual labour.
  • Speed: Diana, hands down. She's been gifted with the speed of Hermes, she can keep up with the Flash in a footrace about as well as Superman. Darkseid however is rarely seen moving any faster than walking and when it comes to fighting he's always showed to make big powerful swings rather than raining strikes down on his opponent.
  • Reflexes: Diana, she is even faster than Superman in this aspect due to the fact she has it down to muscle memory. Meaning she can block without having to think about it. The best Darkseid has is smacking Superman out of the air.
  • Durability: Darkseid may have a better tank in terms of skin and bone density, but Diana is also hugely durable. Take this as an example, in the Superman/Batman story that reintroduced the proper Supergirl, an enraged Superman took Darkseid to the Sun and beat him stupid before kicking him into the Source Wall. During Sacrifice an actually murderous Superman took Diana to the same place thinking she was Doomsday, enroute she took a fullpower heatvision blast to her face and was punched so hard she flew at superluminal speeds (time was being kept and the whole fight lasted less than 5 minutes according to Max Lord) back to Earth before crashing into a field and she still got up.
  • Defenses: Diana. Darkseid has his suit and his skin and that's about it. Diana has the Aegis in her bracelets, which aside from being one of the few things that can block the Omega Beams, have also withstood a blast that was supposed to level Olympus.
  • Fighting skills: Diana is all in all one of, if not the most dangerous h2h combatant on Earth, with power and speed to rival Superman and combined with Amazon combat training that's made her proficient with just about every ancient weapon there is. Darkseid on the other hand has what training his status as Prince of Apokolips granted him... which doesn't normally seem to be very much as he tends to simply use his massive strength to over power his adversaries when he doesn't simply try to blast them.
  • Tricks and equipment: Diana has her Lasso, Darkseid has some degree of telepathy... Diana's Lasso is unbreakable unless you are somehow capable of rewriting reality and is an integrated part in how Diana fights. Darkseid's telepathy however only appears sporadically and rarely, if never, during a fight. Plus Diana has formiddable telepathic defenses through the blessing of Athena thats leaves her mostly untouchable unless very specific attacks are used... such as the Morticulum Bacteria that left Diana open to possession by one of the disembodied Female Furies.

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#399 Posted by TheOneWhoKnows (4916 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: @willienotwilliam: I can't help but notice-people who advocate for the possibility of Wonder Woman winning use detailed, intricate analysis to explain how that happens; people who assert Darkseid-for sure-wins is, primarily, "Herp Derp, Darkseid stomps". When asked why Diana's see-with-one's-own-eyes, demonstrably effective offensive and defensive maneuvers wouldn't work, the "response" is "Der, Darkseid stomps, that's why", or a meaningless, sub par attempt at lame snark is spewed.

This is what passes as "debate" on this site now.

Facepalm.

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#400 Posted by Chimeroid (9241 posts) - - Show Bio

@theonewhoknows: darkseid still stomps. Stronger, more versatile and fast enough to react to her.