that wd be an interesting battle. i want to say wonder woman has a shot but then again to reference mongul again( who supposedly isnt in darkseids class) man handles diana and she being a power house is crushed very badly in tmwhe. even jlu dipicted her getting crushed. now 1 thing that ppl need to stop refutting is her reflecting the ob. it can be done as shes done it. the bracelets are indestructable period point blank. but regarding if superman can hurt him i dont see why she wdnt be able to . also ds does not have her speed. now i know the scans are to help gauge and show actual powers and what not but it clearly states here tht all battles ( unless specifically stated ) are the charecters at their max abilities with no cis/pis. that being said actually ppl like ww and sm should be hard to beat as their speed/strength combo wd be too much even for ds. but then again ds is a beast and he is actually a better fighter than sm . ds is a warlord. he wages war. imho i dnt think(srry diana 8( ) diana can win this one as she dsnt have her full equipment. the only shot she has is the lasso . in a head to head fight ds outlast her in a trade of blows and finishes reduces her to ash then reforms her as the new ff captain. ds ftw
" You know what? Scratch my last post, I'm gonna say Wonder Woman very well could take this(I'm used to thinking about how these fights would play out in the comics as opposed to being done without any kind of benefit to a plot). "
new Darkseid is weak, the 1980s guy was skyfather level. The new one has trouble with Wonder Woman
@Hoboseid: Why are quoting yourself? Yeah i know you're ohtru,blackflash,batdance,truepwnage,ownerz,charlie jade ,blackest shite and someothers. that scan is non cannon and barda did nothing to even begin with.
I agree with Flag that Wonder Woman certainly has a CHANCE. Her H2H skills are way better than Superman or anything I've seen from Darkseid. She'll be able to dodge effectively. I don't want to get into all this crap about Mongul and this or that. My biggest problem with all 13 pages of this was people using Superman's blood breaking a magical sword and then having problems with Wonder Woman's indestructible bracelets blocking his omega effect.
"I agree with Flag that Wonder Woman certainly has a CHANCE. Her H2H skills are way better than Superman or anything I've seen from Darkseid. She'll be able to dodge effectively. I don't want to get into all this crap about Mongul and this or that. My biggest problem with all 13 pages of this was people using Superman's blood breaking a magical sword and then having problems with Wonder Woman's indestructible bracelets blocking his omega effect. "
Maybe because those bracelets were forged by people whom have been repeatedly shown to be inferior to darkseid's civilization. same cannot be said for some random sword.
"I agree with Flag that Wonder Woman certainly has a CHANCE. Her H2H skills are way better than Superman or anything I've seen from Darkseid. She'll be able to dodge effectively. I don't want to get into all this crap about Mongul and this or that. My biggest problem with all 13 pages of this was people using Superman's blood breaking a magical sword and then having problems with Wonder Woman's indestructible bracelets blocking his omega effect. "
Maybe because those bracelets were forged by people whom have been repeatedly shown to be inferior to darkseid's civilization. same cannot be said for some random sword. "
Even assuming the Olympian Gods are inferior to Darkseid's civilization, that doesn't mean the bracelets wouldn't work. Some random sword? Isn't the sword in question the Excalibur? Either way my problem is mainly with a drop of blood surviving intact the speeds it would take to break an object like that. On a side note, if Zeus' shield was indestructible than how did they make bracelets out of it? Was the ever explained?
@Valtot: Never questioned him winning or losing. Like Flag, I just agree she has a chance and it's not the stomp some of you are making it out to be.
"I agree with Flag that Wonder Woman certainly has a CHANCE. Her H2H skills are way better than Superman or anything I've seen from Darkseid. She'll be able to dodge effectively. I don't want to get into all this crap about Mongul and this or that. My biggest problem with all 13 pages of this was people using Superman's blood breaking a magical sword and then having problems with Wonder Woman's indestructible bracelets blocking his omega effect. "
Maybe because those bracelets were forged by people whom have been repeatedly shown to be inferior to darkseid's civilization. same cannot be said for some random sword. "
Even assuming the Olympian Gods are inferior to Darkseid's civilization, that doesn't mean the bracelets wouldn't work. Some random sword? Isn't the sword in question the Excalibur? Either way my problem is mainly with a drop of blood surviving intact the speeds it would take to break an object like that. On a side note, if Zeus' shield was indestructible than how did they make bracelets out of it? Was the ever explained?
@Valtot: Never questioned him winning or losing. Like Flag, I just agree she has a chance and it's not the stomp some of you are making it out to be. "
When was it excalibur?and funnily darkseid absorbed the magical energy of the excalibur in the great darkness saga,nulling the sword completely , dont see why he could'nt do the same to the bracelets.
"I agree with Flag that Wonder Woman certainly has a CHANCE. Her H2H skills are way better than Superman or anything I've seen from Darkseid. She'll be able to dodge effectively. I don't want to get into all this crap about Mongul and this or that. My biggest problem with all 13 pages of this was people using Superman's blood breaking a magical sword and then having problems with Wonder Woman's indestructible bracelets blocking his omega effect. "
Maybe because those bracelets were forged by people whom have been repeatedly shown to be inferior to darkseid's civilization. same cannot be said for some random sword. "
Even assuming the Olympian Gods are inferior to Darkseid's civilization, that doesn't mean the bracelets wouldn't work. Some random sword? Isn't the sword in question the Excalibur? Either way my problem is mainly with a drop of blood surviving intact the speeds it would take to break an object like that. On a side note, if Zeus' shield was indestructible than how did they make bracelets out of it? Was the ever explained?
@Valtot: Never questioned him winning or losing. Like Flag, I just agree she has a chance and it's not the stomp some of you are making it out to be. "
When was it excalibur?and funnily darkseid absorbed the magical energy of the excalibur in the great darkness saga,nulling the sword completely , dont see why he could'nt do the same to the bracelets. "
I don't know if it was or not. I read all of the pages and someone mentioned it. I skimmed the last few. I image Olympian magic is stronger than Merlin magic. By that logic why doesn't he just absorb all magic and kill everyone?
"I agree with Flag that Wonder Woman certainly has a CHANCE. Her H2H skills are way better than Superman or anything I've seen from Darkseid. She'll be able to dodge effectively. I don't want to get into all this crap about Mongul and this or that. My biggest problem with all 13 pages of this was people using Superman's blood breaking a magical sword and then having problems with Wonder Woman's indestructible bracelets blocking his omega effect. "
Maybe because those bracelets were forged by people whom have been repeatedly shown to be inferior to darkseid's civilization. same cannot be said for some random sword. "
Even assuming the Olympian Gods are inferior to Darkseid's civilization, that doesn't mean the bracelets wouldn't work. Some random sword? Isn't the sword in question the Excalibur? Either way my problem is mainly with a drop of blood surviving intact the speeds it would take to break an object like that. On a side note, if Zeus' shield was indestructible than how did they make bracelets out of it? Was the ever explained?
@Valtot: Never questioned him winning or losing. Like Flag, I just agree she has a chance and it's not the stomp some of you are making it out to be. "
When was it excalibur?and funnily darkseid absorbed the magical energy of the excalibur in the great darkness saga,nulling the sword completely , dont see why he could'nt do the same to the bracelets. "
I don't know if it was or not. I read all of the pages and someone mentioned it. I skimmed the last few. I image Olympian magic is stronger than Merlin magic. By that logic why doesn't he just absorb all magic and kill everyone? "
He did actually . in the storyline i mentioned he absorbed various magical artifacts and mordru as well,he also attempted to absorb wonder world ,which is the epicentre of magic. regardless it would be boring to see the villian kill everything.
@entropy_aegis: Was that pre crisis? I haven't seen that ability from him in a long time. Maybe they took it away for that very reason. Having him search for a means to kill everything is much more suspenseful.
" @entropy_aegis: Was that pre crisis? I haven't seen that ability from him in a long time. Maybe they took it away for that very reason. Having him search for a means to kill everything is much more suspenseful. "
Yes it was precrisis but recent legion of superheroes confirmed that event , its cannon.
and i'd like to clear certain things, darkseid's stories were cannon even after the crisis,the great darkness saga had a follow up in 1991 called the quiet darkness,which continued the story,both these were retconned away in zero hour hence the pre/post crisis logic doesnt apply to even begin with.the latest legion of superheroes volume confirmed the event as cannon.
grant morrison has said that precrisis darkseid is the only true darkseid , while the others are avatars(final crisis interview).
and even if we accept the pre/post crisis logic it still doesnt matter because only darkseid physical levels and the potency of the omega beam are what was weakened ,the omega effect never changed(there is difference between the beam and the effect),infact post crisis darkseid has shown greater range of abilities than precrisis.
@entropy_aegis: I think you're looking for an argument or a fight where there isn't one. Don't know if you were referring to me because I just asked a simple question.
" @entropy_aegis: I think you're looking for an argument or a fight where there isn't one. Don't know if you were referring to me because I just asked a simple question. "
LOL sorry,but almost everyone i ran in to asks about the crisis,i thought i should quickly clear that up.
@King Saturn: Supergirl was not disintegrated. Please actually read the comic before making an inaccurate post like that? It was a plan of the Justice League to get Darkseid to stop pursuing Kara as the leader of the Furies by making him think she was destroyed. She was actually teleported out of there so Darkseid THOUGHT she was killed. She's actually been shown to be able to handle the Omega Sanction.
And Wonder Woman has deflected the Omega Sanction as well. Darkseid was not depowered. Enough with the mysogonistic belief that because she's a woman that she's helpless. In fact, her bracelets can even reflect the omega beams back at Darkseid. Wonder Woman would do a lot better than you're thinking - she has quite a good chance of beating Darkseid, given his primary weapon is rather useless against her, given her reflexes and speed (which Batman has already stated are superior to Superman in battle), her fighting ability (also far superior to Superman), her bracelets (which can deflect the Omega sanction or send it back at Darkseid), and the lasso (which can bind a god, so it can also bind Darkseid).
@King Saturn: Yeah... Ares is a God too. A real God. THE God of War. Not just a strong alien who calls himself a God. Ares is actually supposed to be, in the DC Universe, the greatest fighter in the Universe (level 16). And Wonder Woman has beaten him in combat as well. Darkseid could win, but don't count on it. Wonder Woman makes a habit of defeating stronger opponents with her superior training and techniques
@King Saturn: Supergirl was not disintegrated. Please actually read the comic before making an inaccurate post like that? It was a plan of the Justice League to get Darkseid to stop pursuing Kara as the leader of the Furies by making him think she was destroyed. She was actually teleported out of there so Darkseid THOUGHT she was killed. She's actually been shown to be able to handle the Omega Sanction. And Wonder Woman has deflected the Omega Sanction as well. Darkseid was not depowered. Enough with the mysogonistic belief that because she's a woman that she's helpless. In fact, her bracelets can even reflect the omega beams back at Darkseid. Wonder Woman would do a lot better than you're thinking - she has quite a good chance of beating Darkseid, given his primary weapon is rather useless against her, given her reflexes and speed (which Batman has already stated are superior to Superman in battle), her fighting ability (also far superior to Superman), her bracelets (which can deflect the Omega sanction or send it back at Darkseid), and the lasso (which can bind a god, so it can also bind Darkseid).
@pander1 said:
@King Saturn: Yeah... Ares is a God too. A real God. THE God of War. Not just a strong alien who calls himself a God. Ares is actually supposed to be, in the DC Universe, the greatest fighter in the Universe (level 16). And Wonder Woman has beaten him in combat as well. Darkseid could win, but don't count on it. Wonder Woman makes a habit of defeating stronger opponents with her superior training and techniques
So much wrong here that i don't even know where to start.The only real God in DC is the Prescence,Ares is far cry from any cosmic character..Batman one million and Karate Kid are the greatest fighters not Ares,and please stop using Superman/Batman as evidence.Her bracelets mean squat to the OE,enough of the Jeph Loeb BS. Also Batman's statement means nothing,Supes is faster than Diana and he proved it in the For Tomorrow storyline.
@King Saturn: Yeah... Ares is a God too. A real God. THE God of War. Not just a strong alien who calls himself a God. Ares is actually supposed to be, in the DC Universe, the greatest fighter in the Universe (level 16). And Wonder Woman has beaten him in combat as well. Darkseid could win, but don't count on it. Wonder Woman makes a habit of defeating stronger opponents with her superior training and techniques
What? The greatest fighter in the Universe? Since when?
@King Saturn: Yeah... Ares is a God too. A real God. THE God of War. Not just a strong alien who calls himself a God. Ares is actually supposed to be, in the DC Universe, the greatest fighter in the Universe (level 16). And Wonder Woman has beaten him in combat as well. Darkseid could win, but don't count on it. Wonder Woman makes a habit of defeating stronger opponents with her superior training and techniques
What? The greatest fighter in the Universe? Since when?
@entropy_aegis: Wonder Woman's bracelets have been indestructible on a pretty consistent basis, and the Omega Beams have been blocked or deflected on various other occasions. I don't see any real reason why they couldn't block the Omega Beams, especially when her getting in the way was completely unexpected.
@entropy_aegis: Wonder Woman's bracelets have been indestructible on a pretty consistent basis, and the Omega Beams have been blocked or deflected on various other occasions. I don't see any real reason why they couldn't block the Omega Beams, especially when her getting in the way was completely unexpected.
Darkseid was fooled in to thinking he had killed Supergirl,even if the bracelets can deflect the OE the writing still leaves a lot to be desired.
I still dislike it. The only thing that redeems that story for me is Lee's art.
I love that story (and obviously the art). Its darker then most Superman stories.
I know ;p Something about it just didn't resonate with me. And I'm definitely a fan of the darker stuff. I dunno. I just got no enjoyment out of it at all.
@King Saturn: Yeah... Ares is a God too. A real God. THE God of War. Not just a strong alien who calls himself a God. Ares is actually supposed to be, in the DC Universe, the greatest fighter in the Universe (level 16). And Wonder Woman has beaten him in combat as well. Darkseid could win, but don't count on it. Wonder Woman makes a habit of defeating stronger opponents with her superior training and techniques
No. No. No and no. Ares is not the greatest fighter in the Universe. Darkseid wins this. He's stronger, more versatile, etc. Has telepathy too.
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