Hmm let's see the guy who has barely any speed feats of note and the guy who would love to be comparable with Hulk or Thor but isn't versus the gal who is literally faster than both together multiplied by more than double digits, yeah sure they individually have a great shot XD... I see that comicvine scholars work still with the method of just talking nonsense, and then pretending what they say would even make remotely sense.
On topic: With in character WW it could go either way if she jobs quite a bit, with a serious Wonder Woman she literally blitzes through them.
Hmm let's see the guy who has barely any speed feats of note and the guy who would love to be comparable with Hulk or Thor but isn't versus the gal who is literally faster than both together multiplied by more than double digits, yeah sure they individually have a great shot XD... I see that comicvine scholars work still with the method of just talking nonsense, and then pretending what they say would even make remotely sense.
On topic: With in character WW it could go either way if she jobs quite a bit, with a serious Wonder Woman she literally blitzes through them.
No, she can not blitzes Aquaman, because he is equal to her in everynthing.
Hmm let's see the guy who has barely any speed feats of note and the guy who would love to be comparable with Hulk or Thor but isn't versus the gal who is literally faster than both together multiplied by more than double digits, yeah sure they individually have a great shot XD... I see that comicvine scholars work still with the method of just talking nonsense, and then pretending what they say would even make remotely sense.
On topic: With in character WW it could go either way if she jobs quite a bit, with a serious Wonder Woman she literally blitzes through them.
No, she can not blitzes Aquaman, because he is equal to her in everynthing.
Gallery
Ah yes, a guidebook that was written years after the end of Post Crisis surely proves that Post Crisis Arthur is somehow as fast as Post Crisis WW despite having not even remotely comparable feats. And you 300 IQ genius can probably also logically explain how a character can beat his perfect equal on his own, right?
Aquaman and Namor are faster than Wonder Woman, more durable, and stronger. They stomp.
And i'm sure you have amazing feats for them especially speed feats that prove Arthur was even faster than Donna Troy, right? Cause you're surely not just some blatantly lying troll who works through his mommy issues by hating fictional characters with bewbs, right?
Hmm let's see the guy who has barely any speed feats of note and the guy who would love to be comparable with Hulk or Thor but isn't versus the gal who is literally faster than both together multiplied by more than double digits, yeah sure they individually have a great shot XD... I see that comicvine scholars work still with the method of just talking nonsense, and then pretending what they say would even make remotely sense.
On topic: With in character WW it could go either way if she jobs quite a bit, with a serious Wonder Woman she literally blitzes through them.
No, she can not blitzes Aquaman, because he is equal to her in everynthing.
Gallery
Ah yes, a guidebook that was written years after the end of Post Crisis surely proves that Post Crisis Arthur is somehow as fast as Post Crisis WW despite having not even remotely comparable feats. And you 300 IQ genius can probably also logically explain how a character can beat his perfect equal on his own, right?
Aquaman and Namor are faster than Wonder Woman, more durable, and stronger. They stomp.
And i'm sure you have amazing feats for them especially speed feats that prove Arthur was even faster than Donna Troy, right? Cause you're surely not just some blatantly lying troll who works through his mommy issues by hating fictional characters with bewbs, right?
Are you angry? Because in any moment I was rude with you.
the two have fought several times in the comics, and both of these characters have wildly inconsistent power levels, but, Diana has more or less consistently been able to hold her ground for a while against Aquaman but Aquaman would almost certainly win in any continuity, if he let loose. he’s matched her in physical combat, and she’s even said he’s her equal in combat. SO, she can not blitzes him.
Duo. Namor is the weakest one here and Aquaman alone is a close fight for Wonder Woman. Namor isn't so weak that he couldn't upset her so with his aid Arthur definitely takes this fight.
Angry at myself, for visiting this ridiculous site yet again.
Because in any moment I was rude with you.
Do you read your own sentences before posting them?
the two have fought several times in the comics
Oha, please show me all of those Post Crisis fights?
and both of these characters have wildly inconsistent power levels
Yeah, and specifically Post Crisis Wonder Woman reached heights Post CrisisArthur could just dream of.
but, Diana has more or less consistently been able to fight characters well out of Aquaman's league.
Fixed that for ya.
but Aquaman would almost certainly win in any continuity, if he let loose.
Yeah the character with more often far worse feats in almost any single regard who never even moved a moon under his own power will in any contunity surely beat the character who already in the Golden Age literally threw planets around, and this statements of yours:
No, she can not blitzes Aquaman, because he is equal to her in everynthing.
Makes it totally reasonable that he somehow would almost certainly win if he let's lose, cause Fck logic...
he’s matched her in physical combat, and she’s even said he’s her equal in combat. SO, she can not blitzes him.
You must have read some very interessting Post Crisis stories.
Hmm let's see a New 52 fight, a Rebirth fight and an out of context New 52 fight.
Can you read, or do you have some really sad handycap:
Duo. Namor is the weakest one here and Aquaman alone is a close fight for Wonder Woman. Namor isn't so weak that he couldn't upset her so with his aid Arthur definitely takes this fight.
Since when is Post Crisis Arthur who is not even in the water here a close fight for Post Crisis Wonder Woman, and are you talking about the nonsensical Comicvine Headcanon Version of Wonder Woman mostly based on non canon stories, wrong versions, PIS, etc... or the actual Wonder Woman from the actual comics?
Aquaman and Namor are faster than Wonder Woman, more durable, and stronger. They stomp.
And i'm sure you have amazing feats for them especially speed feats that prove Arthur was even faster than Donna Troy, right? Cause you're surely not just some blatantly lying troll who works through his mommy issues by hating fictional characters with bewbs, right?
What would make you think Donna Troy was faster than Aquaman?
an emotionally fragile person with a female character pfp defending female characters and putting them above their obvious superiors is just too obviously wank
Aquaman and Namor are faster than Wonder Woman, more durable, and stronger. They stomp.
And i'm sure you have amazing feats for them especially speed feats that prove Arthur was even faster than Donna Troy, right? Cause you're surely not just some blatantly lying troll who works through his mommy issues by hating fictional characters with bewbs, right?
What would make you think Donna Troy was faster than Aquaman?
Donna catching a speeding Jesse Quick and Arthur's severe lack of good speed feats back then, but i would be actually somewhat open for a debate about Donna while claiming Post Crisis Arthur was as fast let alone faster than Post Crisis Diana is just straight up delusional.
Please explain how exactly are they even keeping up with her, i know on comicvine are logic and the actual comics somehow completely irrelevant especially if the blatantly more powerful character has bewbs and the blatantly less powerful characters have Ds but hey maybe you have some secret speed feats for the water duo that makes this insane thread slightly less ridiculous?
Please explain how exactly are they even keeping up with her, i know on comicvine are logic and the actual comics somehow completely irrelevant especially if the blatantly more powerful character has bewbs and the blatantly less powerful characters have Ds but hey maybe you have some secret speed feats for the water duo that makes this insane thread slightly less ridiculous?
Because Aquaman has consistently kept up with Wonder Woman? And Namor should be around their level of combat speed. Diana isn't a speedster by any means.
Aquaman and Namor are faster than Wonder Woman, more durable, and stronger. They stomp.
And i'm sure you have amazing feats for them especially speed feats that prove Arthur was even faster than Donna Troy, right? Cause you're surely not just some blatantly lying troll who works through his mommy issues by hating fictional characters with bewbs, right?
What would make you think Donna Troy was faster than Aquaman?
an emotionally fragile person with a female character pfp defending female characters and putting them above their obvious superiors is just too obviously wank
Oha, literally sexism(i'm a guy btw, just not so insecure that i have mommy issues about fictional female characters) as argument is at least a bit more honest for a change. But then literally claiming the character with far worse feats, who in later continuities has as best claim to be equal to a canonically power suppressed version and another version who was during that time in one of her weakest phases is somehow against all logic her obvious superior, goes straight back to the blatantly lying mode.
Please explain how exactly are they even keeping up with her, i know on comicvine are logic and the actual comics somehow completely irrelevant especially if the blatantly more powerful character has bewbs and the blatantly less powerful characters have Ds but hey maybe you have some secret speed feats for the water duo that makes this insane thread slightly less ridiculous?
Because Aquaman has consistently kept up with Wonder Woman? And Namor should be around their level of combat speed. Diana isn't a speedster by any means.
Well i will answer again here now:
When exactly has Post Crisis Arthur consistently kept up with Post Crisis Wonder Woman, let alone when she actually used her speed? What new speed feats has Namor to make that claim even remotely true, and what exactly is your definition of a Speedster. And how exactly do characters who aren't Speedsters by any means blatant Speedster stuff like this:
I'm not sure if you're aware of thar but translated to the Avatar-Verse, you are pretty much claiming Haru and the Boulder would stomp Tenzin or Azula, cause the two guys with blatantly worse speed feats can keep up just fine and Tenzin/Azula aren't Speedsters by any means.
What would make you think Donna Troy was faster than Aquaman?
Donna catching a speeding Jesse Quick and Arthur's severe lack of good speed feats back then, but i would be actually somewhat open for a debate about Donna while claiming Post Crisis Arthur was as fast let alone faster than Post Crisis Diana is just straight up delusional.
He actually has some pretty good speed feats via scaling. He blitzed a version of Amazo (some guys conscious was in Amazo) but earlier in the series the same Amazo blitzed Zatanna. When he first met Barry it was a speeding Barry running after one of his villains and Aquaman reacted to that. He noticed the movements of a Wally clone while engaged in his own fight against a clone of himself.
Gallery
he’s not necessarily a speedster like Superman/Flash but his reflexes/perception and straight line blitz can definitely be scaled up there with some of the faster characters in the DC Universe.
Gallery
Images are backwards.
Arguably by scaling Aquaman should rival Wonder Woman despite her admittedly better feats during that era. Hell Flashpoint was basically the same Post-Crisis characters with exceptions of Superman not getting enough sunlight and Barry saving his mom and not getting his speedforce abilities, and that was a timeline where Arthur/Diana physically rivaled each other. They were basically the two dominant forces on the planet with Superman being in some Area 51 type situation.
I do agree though in regards to personal feats in Post-Crisis continuity Wonder Woman has better physical ones than Aquaman. But she along Superman have struggled against Ocean Master. Superman struggling with Orm on two different occasions, and Mera in Post-Crisis continuity did way to well against Wonder Woman who was a Black Lantern, and Aquaman is physically above Mera.
Gallery
By intent and scaling Wonder Woman vs Aquaman is a pretty close fight. Regardless of who you think wins there Adding Namor to the mix definitely gives Aquaman the edge.
Ehhh, on a different place i might buy that. But on comicvine where New 52 WW is somehow fodder cause most of her good stuff is scaling + intend, Supes allegedly even stomps her cause feats, feats, feats(usually used in an absolutely disingenuous way, or often even mixed with non canon or non Diana stuff), etc... And considering that WW herself could scale quite a bit higher, is this kind of case not very convincing tbh.
@gunchar16: Although Aquaman is inferior to them, he has physically kept up with Superman, Black Adam, etc.
New-52 and Rebirth have consistently portrayed Aquaman and Wonder Woman as near equals in terms of physicals. The 2018 DC Guidebook even stated as much:
Every time they have fought in New-52 or Rebirth, it was a stalemate.
Gallery
Gallery
Gallery
Gallery
Aquaman has also outperformed Wonder Woman against Poseidon:
Gallery
I would back Wonder Woman in a fight against Aquaman, but just by a very slight majority. However, adding in Namor makes it a stomp.
Namor has dodged attacks from Iron Man and has straight up blitzed him. He has also reacted to attacks from Dr Doom, Human Torch, Thor, etc. He has consistently been strong enough to contend against The Thing and Hulk.
This thread is hilarious😂. The WW arguments(Or argument lol) have me dead.
Imagine getting so salty over a mid-tier DC character that you start a sexist rant and say people have mommy issues for disagreeing…Mid-tier cope at it‘s max.
OT: Team in a stomp, The Arthur arguments have been fairly decent and I can see the case for him soloing high-diff
Not even a huge DC fan…but this thread right here is comedy gold
What would make you think Donna Troy was faster than Aquaman?
Donna catching a speeding Jesse Quick and Arthur's severe lack of good speed feats back then, but i would be actually somewhat open for a debate about Donna while claiming Post Crisis Arthur was as fast let alone faster than Post Crisis Diana is just straight up delusional.
He actually has some pretty good speed feats via scaling. He blitzed a version of Amazo (some guys conscious was in Amazo) but earlier in the series the same Amazo blitzed Zatanna. When he first met Barry it was a speeding Barry running after one of his villains and Aquaman reacted to that. He noticed the movements of a Wally clone while engaged in his own fight against a clone of himself.
Gallery
he’s not necessarily a speedster like Superman/Flash but his reflexes/perception and straight line blitz can definitely be scaled up there with some of the faster characters in the DC Universe.
Gallery
Images are backwards.
Arguably by scaling Aquaman should rival Wonder Woman despite her admittedly better feats during that era. Hell Flashpoint was basically the same Post-Crisis characters with exceptions of Superman not getting enough sunlight and Barry saving his mom and not getting his speedforce abilities, and that was a timeline where Arthur/Diana physically rivaled each other. They were basically the two dominant forces on the planet with Superman being in some Area 51 type situation.
I do agree though in regards to personal feats in Post-Crisis continuity Wonder Woman has better physical ones than Aquaman. But she along Superman have struggled against Ocean Master. Superman struggling with Orm on two different occasions, and Mera in Post-Crisis continuity did way to well against Wonder Woman who was a Black Lantern, and Aquaman is physically above Mera.
Gallery
By intent and scaling Wonder Woman vs Aquaman is a pretty close fight. Regardless of who you think wins there Adding Namor to the mix definitely gives Aquaman the edge.
Ehhh, on a different place i might buy that. But on comicvine where New 52 WW is somehow fodder cause most of her good stuff is scaling + intend, Supes allegedly even stomps her cause feats, feats, feats(usually used in an absolutely disingenuous way, or often even mixed with non canon or non Diana stuff), etc... And considering that WW herself could scale quite a bit higher, is this kind of case not very convincing tbh.
Slig is also considered a Superman range character and a potential challenge for Orion.
Gallery
This is relevant because of Aquaman's encounters with the Deep Six.
Malefic implied Aquaman was a threat and the writers chose to dehydrate him in the desert for that battle. Aquaman has a lot of examples where he's shown capable on that tier in PC continuity that led up to the Aquaman = Wonder Woman we saw in Flashpoint and continue to see ever since.
PC Wonder Woman didn't carry around the sword and shield she typically has now so Namor is a lot more of a threat to her even if he doesn't have the same speed. We also need to be careful scaling speed with DC characters because speedsters can vary radically from one story to the next.
This is a massive mismatch. Bizarre emotional outbursts aside, Aquaman already has direct scaling over WW, like when he beat a Metapredator that copied her power or how Diana was matched by a weaker Atlantean while wearing a ring that amps the user.
Gallery
He alone would solo, but now he has the help of Namor? A genuine high tier?
Matches Thor (Saga of the Submariner #11)
Breaks out of Hulk's grip (Saga of the Submariner #6)
Matches Prof Hulk (Real Heroes #2)
Matches Hercules (Avengers #262)
Aquaman's strength is no match for his, which Arthur doesn't dispute (Marvel VS DC #2)-This crossover is canon
Rips off Iron Man's helmet (New Avengers: Illuminati)
Log in to comment