Are these legit questions tho?
Ok, I can give you feats for vibranium claws. Cutting through the roofs of cars, ripping through the pavement on a street.——- I think these two feats put the claws above Diana’s piercing durability, with or without armor; as her armor doesn’t carry the feats to beat the claws either.
As to skill, let’s just look at the couple gifs I posted in post 203.
These are a few skill feats that don’t require scaling(tho I believe BP has better skill scaling also)
When claw shot at BP; Panther jumped off of a exploding car 100+ft on to a wall, ran along the wall, outpacing a car, then jumped on to the car he was chasing.
Why I think this is a skill showing is simple. This showing would require some level of super strength, but people like Luke Cage (even tho he has the strength) don’t have the skill/agility to replicate.
Hope that shines a little light on your questions.
I missed the part where you answered how Panther's puny claws are doing anything of significance to Wonder Woman or why any of that makes BP more skilled than a goddess.
Right back at ya.
First of all, show me this "Superhuman agility" that the Amazons showed. And all that super human agility means is that they can do a few flips, all that agility did not prevent them from being ravaged by both Parademons and poorly trained WW1 era soldiers on their home court.
Wakandans on the other hand were heavily outnumbered and yet they still managed to hold off Superhuman Outriders who could take down a hulkbuster in h2h combat.
Can you show me Wakandans doing anything remotely as impressive as that? And Wonder Woman the best among a race of martial warriors that train for a living. I must of missed those incredible Wakandan skill feats that make them better than that.
But it proves that the argument "WW is a god thus she wins", is incredibly flawed.
I never made that argument, my argument is and has been that she's more skilled due to that fact, as it's pretty obvious that an immortal goddess is going to have more time to master her skills than BP.
You know, I could post GIFs of WW being tagged by normal humans and getting downed for several seconds after getting hit by an explosion that could not even destroy wooden beams. Not to mention the fact that you literally claimed that BP was close to death. Nice job ignoring your own blatant lies.
I can post a bunch of gifs of BP getting tagged by fodder, beaten up by fodder and generally outmaneuvered. Where was that amazing BP skill in the Casino when random thugs were tagging him left and right? Or that time he couldn't avoid a Rhino? Where were those bullet time feats?
He only saw it after it was a couple of inches away. BP has also reacted to bullets as well and WW has also been tagged by humans, parademons. Bottom line, their speed is equalized here thus this conversation does not even matter. It is nothing more than a horrid attempt to lowball BP.
I don't need to lowball BP any lower than he is, which is a street leveler with street level skill feats and enemies with street level skill feats. He's no match for Wonder Woman in skill.
WW started a fight using that move in that particular fight. In every other fight she engaged in h2h combat and did not resort to a bracelet clash until the end of the fight. Thus, WW has the chance to win a small percentage of their fights.
She used it not only at the beginning of that fight but multiple times in every other fight, including in the middle of a blitz Doomsday. She is going to use it if not right off the bat, pretty early.
She did it against Ares at the end of the fight, same to Steppenwolf and to Superman. In every fight she had with the german soldiers, or even with the parademons or the mercenaries, she did not use it until the end of the fight. In fact in some of the fights I mention she did not use it at all such as the fight with the german general. Face it, WW rarely starts out with a braclet clash. You can even point to two fights in her current fight scenes that she started out with a bracelet clash then I will concede. If not, then actually admit you were at fault for once.
Lmao, so I point out she used it right away during the Doomsday fight and now you need two instances where she does it? What will you want next, three? So we've established that one bracelet clash and BP is done. We've established she has opened a fight with it before and uses it liberally in combat. Where is your argument? She will use it and when she does the fight is over. I don't see BP outmaneuvering Wonder Woman before that happens.
Bruh...are you comparing a tiny scrape to a life threatening wound? Also, you literally just proved that BP's claws will be able to cut through her skin like butter.
Bruh...
I'm sorry, I missed the part in that gif where his claws one shotted something? I see those weak kinetic punches that Wonder Woman would no sell, but no claws. That's weird, here you claiming his claws are going to take advantage of her piercing weakness and one shot her when they couldn't even one shot Outrider fodder? Are those punches what you're referring to, because LMAO at those putting down someone who can tank punches from Doomsday.
BPs punches are doing nada. His claws couldn't one shot fodder. Your argument is dust.
And unlike WW, Outriders were capable of fighting after having their limbs chopped off, their bodies cut in half, with their bodies literally covered with horrific burns and even after being stabbed through.
Wonder Woman has a lot better durability feats than fodder so that's not really relevant. She wouldn't even incur the damage in the first place.
So yeah, WW is going to die from a single strike from BP.
The claws that couldn't one shot fodder or the punches that pale in comparison to one's Diana's already tanked? Which is it?
Fair enough, I was wrong on this one. But she will still have to tag BP with her lasso regardless. Also, when are you going to admit that you straight up lied about BP nearly being killed by a Rhino? Next thing you'll tell me is that Cull Obsidian nearly died from a punch from BP.
He was nearly killed by the Rhino. He wasn't knocked out but he was temp stunned far longer than Diana was after a similar fall. So we've established she does use her lasso in H2H and she's a lot stronger than BP. At this point we've established she can one shot with bracelet clash, one good lasso toss and BPs toast, and we'll add the sword to the list of one shot weapons latter, while you're relying on claws that can't one shot fodder and kinetic punches. Lol.
Ares? What did he do in h2h that was even remotely impressive. Even the peak human general gave WW a better fight in h2h. Basically, a street leveler did better in h2h than Ares, doesn't that sound familiar...
Ares was toying with Wonder Woman. That's how skilled at arms he was. Diana trained her whole life for that fight and Ares still outmatched her in raw power. He was the god of war in the DCEU, that's as skilled at arms as you can possibly. You're literally trying to compare Killmonger and Black Panther to an immortal being that is a god weapons and war. You're being pretty delusional.
Wait a minute...How does one go toe to toe with an opponent but also get soloed at the same time?
What? She went toe to toe with Steppenwolf multiple times. That's a fact.
So Wonder Woman is dangerous enough that Steppenwolf grabs his weapon on sight. You don't do that to someone who isn't a threat. She then was the primary one fighting him before and even after Aquaman arrived.
I like you just brush over her fighting Steppenwolf like he isn't a supremely skilled new god with millions of bodies on his resume. Like Killmonger and Black Panther have done anything close to that. He would look at BP and just laugh before strangling him with one hand.
Please, she got tagged numerous times while fighting said fodder who were all poorly trained fighters. BP actually wreaked superhuman fodder and beat named characters with actual feats to their name.
Lol, "numerous" times eh? Well BPs been tagged by fodder more times than Wonder Woman. Wanna go gif for gif? I don't think you do.
A God of War who was less skilled in h2h combat with his custom made weapons than a random peak human general with a bayonet.
What? Are you saying Ludendorf was more skilled than Ares?
Wait a minute...are you trying to claim that WW beat Steppenwolf?! How did she go from being "soloed" to "beating" him?!
I didn't even come close to saying that. I said she went toe to toe with him, which she did multiple times and is beyond any skill feat from BP.
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Lol, I love how you post it as if you proved your point, when really you just proved mine. His claws aren't one shotting shit because they can't one shot fodder Outrider, and his kinetic punches are getting no sold by feats.
Lies and headcanon such as BP being close to death after being hit by a Rhino, WW "beating" Steppenwolf, BP being unable to one-shot outriders, and WW starting every single fight with her bracelet clash.
The rhino did tag and almost kill him, I never even got close to saying she beat Steppenwolf, BP couldn't one shot Outrider fodder with his puny claws, and WW did start her very first fight with a bracelet clash. Every single thing I've said is correct, while a lot of what you said is incorrect. That's a fact you can't ignore.
The thing is, I say BP wins 6/10 because I am admit that there is the chance that WW can win. You on the other hand will continue to ignore any feat for BP and lie about WW's feats.
Because I simply can't believe that a street leveler with street level stats and skill feats can beat a goddess.
Umm...you do know that DD literally feeds on energy. That was stated by none other than WW herself.
So DD can absorb an unlimited amount of energy then? His energy absorption has no limits, and his durability is irrelevant? I hope to see you stick by that in the Doomsday threads lol.
Also, vibranium no-sold a city disintegrating explosion which even our strongest nukes cannot replicate.
But not BPs suit which we know can get stabbed because he stabbed Killmonger who had the exact same suit on. So we've established one bracelet clash and BP is done, one good lasso toss and he's done, one good sword stroke and he's done. There's three verifiable one shot weapons to your zero.
How honest of you to cherry pick the only moment during that fight that WW managed to look slightly effective. Here is the rest of the fight.
Steppenwolf is massively more skilled than BP. That's a skill feat for him that he's taking on Arthur and Diana at the same time, and he's only going to look better and better the more feats they get. Wonder Woman did fight him solo multiple times, and was portrayed as threat number two in my opinion behind only Superman to him.
Matching the superhuman Outriders for an extended period of time. Outriders would ravage the Amazons since Amazons struggled heavily against a heavily outnumbered group of poorly trained WW1 era soldiers who were ambushed and fighting on unfamiliar terrain.
I really doubt the Amazons would perform any worse than the Wakandans, in fact I think they would perform better due to better stats and skill feats. Fodder is fodder, the Germans at least had ranged weapons.
So as proof that Amazons are skilled you showed WW training with their best warrior? Seriously, even a fodder dora milage can stomp four outriders with ease.
What? And how does that compare to Antiope? She could stomp four dora milage with ease.
Simple. You entire argument is "WW is a god so she wins". Comic WW is a god and yet a normal human defeated her. Thor is a god and yet BP literally went toe to toe with him in a recent cartoon.
Strawman. I used it as a single point in my argument that she's more skilled, not the only point or even the main point. The main point is her better skill feats which are indisputable.
In strength? Yes. But she need to tag him first for that to matter. In durability? Yes. But both of them carry weapons that can kill the other with a single strike. Speed is equalized, thus the debate comes down to who has the most skill. BP simply has better skill feats against accomplished fighters such as Captain America, Winter Soldier, M'baku, and Killmonger. WW has fought peak human generals who she struggled with despite the fact that she massively outstatted him, Ares who has no notable skill feats besides beating a bunch of featless fodder, and finally, Steppenwolf who stomped WW along with Aquaman.
BP does not have any weapon that can kill Wonder Woman in a single strike and he is not more skilled. Wonder Woman has better skill feats and showings, and has fought much more skilled opponents. You failed to show him even one shotting Outrider fodder with his claws and his kinetic punches aren't putting her down.
I don't think that BP can "dance circles around Diana", I think that he can land single killing blow before WW can. That is it.
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Lol. Still missing the part where his claws do something significant.
Probably not since vibranium could probably stand up to Diana's sword. But the blunt force of the strike will certainly kill BP if not seriously injure him. That said, Diana needs to be the one to land to first blow for that to happen which brings us back to the skill argument.
BPs suit that can be pierced by fodder knives is standing up to Diana's sword? No way. And yes the blunt force alone would kill him.
She does use it in combat but I doubt that she will be able to use it before BP claws out her throat.
The same goes for WW which is why the skill argument is vital.
She would have to tag him first, which brings us back to skill which BP objectively, has more of unless you ignore the context behind their fights and base your entire argument off of choreography.
Wonder Woman is an immortal goddess that trained for a living, fought a god of war, fought a new god. BP fought fodder, Killmonger and Bucky. How anyone can take you seriously is laughable, and I'm starting to doubt you really believe what you're saying. Wonder Woman has massively better stats and skill showings. She has not one, not two, but three ways to end the fight immediately, and BP has none.
Wonder Woman 10/10.
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