Wonder Man vs Black Bolt

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Rules:

  • Black Bolt is current (as in, incapable of using his voice, what a cuck), Simon is current as well.
  • In-character (except Wonder Man is not pacifistic), but determined to win.
  • Win by KO, death or incapacitation.
  • Fight takes place in Justice League Satellite that is rapidly falling towards ground.

Rounds:

R1: purely h2h, no other powers allowed.

R2: energy projection is allowed.

Bonus Round- Bolt gets Throg and Wonder Man gets Vision. Who wins now?

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Simon both rounds under these conditions, idk about bonus round.

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Simon is comparable to Thor in physical stats. He takes both rounds.

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Simon both rounds under these conditions, idk about bonus round.

You think Throg might be too much for the other team?

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@diarrhearegatta: I didn't see bonus round. Then Black Bolt/Throg win in that round.

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Does simon process better feats than bb in pure strength ?

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@diarrhearegatta: thanks for making the thread.

@dark_archer15: you do know that Black Bolt traded blows with Thor as well? Smh.

I'd say Simon still wins after a good fight.

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@diarrhearegatta: Simon & Vision, I guess. I'm still sceptical about Throg's Pet Avengers feats, and aside from that he is not very impressive, while Vision is criminally underrated and can one-shot either with phasing or just assist WM in a punch-out at max density.

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Simon should beat BB.

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#13  Edited By RedHeathen

man what is wonderman? the bread dude? if so, which version of him?

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As long as he's in fresh shape, I'd say Wonderman will win. Well, unless he is "Small Classic White" or "Squeeze Me". Actually, he might end up being BBQ or toast if he's some of those other versions.

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@redheathen: never seen those scans before, but they make me realize Wonderman has nice buns

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#15  Edited By RedHeathen

@reap_ii said:

@redheathen: never seen those scans before, but they make me realize Wonderman has nice buns

Now there's a thought I can get behind.

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They have similar brute strength, but I think Wonder Man is more durable than Black Bolt, so he wins round 1. As for round 2, I don't know what feats do their energy blasts have, so I can't say. As for round 3, Vision and Wonder Man win.

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BB both rounds. It's close-ish R1, but R2 is a decisive victory for Boltagon.

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With the voice, Simon wins. Without it, Black Bolt wins.

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I'd back Wonder Man in a tight one. I might be swayed with a decent argument though.

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@toratorn: Thor was explicitly holding back against him.

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#22  Edited By Toratorn

@dark_archer15: him holding back (and I swear to god, you could use that excuse against literally every character with morals, including Black Bolt himself, it doesn't mean jack) doesn't change the fact that Black Bolt's punches and blasts hurt him.

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I'd back Wonder Man in a tight one. I might be swayed with a decent argument though.

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@toratorn: Anyone can hurt anyone in comics. We're talking about Thor, who is all over place and struggled against Namor in the very same arc. There's no need to nitpick everything you see. That said, Simon was constantly portrayed as Thor's equal. He's been shown to no-sell blow from brainwashed Thor, outright tank energy blasts that were stunning him and was going toe-to-toe with Roy Thomas' Hyperion. Also, in Avengers #680, Simon demonstrated the ability to control the electromagnetic field thanks to his ionic physiology. Black Bolt's electrons were disrupted by Thor to reduce his physical capabilities. Simon can do the same.

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#25  Edited By Toratorn

@dark_archer15 said:

@toratorn: Anyone can hurt anyone in comics.

Not really.

We're talking about Thor, who is all over place and struggled against Namor in the very same arc.

Struggling with Namor and Black Bolt is perfectly in line with Thor's consistent power level, especially considering the two have other showings against powerhouses.

There's no need to nitpick everything you see. That said, Simon was constantly portrayed as Thor's equal. He's been shown to no-sell blow from brainwashed Thor, outright tank energy blasts that were stunning him and was going toe-to-toe with Roy Thomas' Hyperion.

Scan/citation for "outright tank energy blasts that were stunning him"?

And yeah, if you haven't noticed, I said this a couple of posts above: "I'd say Simon still wins after a good fight." I'm not arguing that BB wins. I was only pointing out that Black Bolt matched Thor himself.

Also, in Avengers #680, Simon demonstrated the ability to control the electromagnetic field thanks to his ionic physiology. Black Bolt's electrons were disrupted by Thor to reduce his physical capabilities. Simon can do the same.

BB's electrons were disrupted by Thor whacking his antenae with a hammer, not with his electromagnetic powers. Simon has 0 experience with this new application of his powers, and it won't work against someone as experienced with electromagnetic manipulation as Black Bolt.

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#26  Edited By Dark_Archer15

@toratorn: Looks like you didn't get my point. You're making up your entire argument with a single instance, wherein Thor quite literally stated he just tried to stun Black Bolt and didn't have intention to hurt him. BB has never faced him outside of aforementioned encounter, whereas Simon always proved himself to be equal or more powerful than Thor. Do you get my point now? You have a single example, I have many :

Avengers (2010) #34

After getting into microverse, Simon no-sells energy blasts which were lethal enough to make Thor scream in agony and briefly stun him.
After getting into microverse, Simon no-sells energy blasts which were lethal enough to make Thor scream in agony and briefly stun him.

Avengers (2016) #686

Takes dozens of punches from Immortal Hulk without getting his skull cracked.
Takes dozens of punches from Immortal Hulk without getting his skull cracked.

Avengers (1998) #6

Fights on-par with Earth 712 Hyperion, who was effortlesly dominating Thor in hand-to-hand combat.
Fights on-par with Earth 712 Hyperion, who was effortlesly dominating Thor in hand-to-hand combat.

Fantastic Four (1998) #23

Tanks a blow from brainwashed and non-holding back Thor, then returns the favor. Thor's attack potency scales off to his durability.
Tanks a blow from brainwashed and non-holding back Thor, then returns the favor. Thor's attack potency scales off to his durability.

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#27  Edited By Toratorn

@dark_archer15: alright, alright, good point and nice scans. But one thing that I would reply to is that Thor tried to stun him by hitting his antennae, and it lead to BB collapsing not because Thor was so much more powerful, but because he simply hit BB's weakspot.

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@dark_archer15: Where did you get that Hulk hit Simon there 12 or more times? Hulk hit him twice then proceeded to squeeze and bend him around.

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Isn't Modern Wonder Man a tool?

I'll back Black bolt for now.

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Black Bolt absorbs the electrons from Wonder man because that is his main ability in the first place and depowers him just like this guy who has the same power as WM and even the same source. Unlike the arrow BB can do continuously,

https://i.imgur.com/n9NsGzx.jpg

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Wonder Man.

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