Wolverine vs. Deathstroke

"can someone explain how slade can win in a random battle... or show recent scans of his skills abilities instead of saying he wins by default because he beat the flash ect ect.."

"castleking said:

"can someone explain how slade can win in a random battle... or show recent scans of his skills abilities instead of saying he wins by default because he beat the flash ect ect.."

well in his fight with the league and the teen titans he didn't use anything that really required any preparation time

and both teams are full of powerhouses"

ok first off slade is 9 times better then an average human and none of what you said is remotely close to the modern slade.

even if the old slade would only have a remote advantage on logan with his feats.

"Nighthunter said:

"castleking said:

"can someone explain how slade can win in a random battle... or show recent scans of his skills abilities instead of saying he wins by default because he beat the flash ect ect.."

well in his fight with the league and the teen titans he didn't use anything that really required any preparation time

and both teams are full of powerhouses"

In his fight with the League he had the whole thing planned out. From where the fight took place, right down to who would show up. He even prepared for the Atom."

"ok first off slade is 9 times better then an average human and none of what you said is remotely close to the modern slade.

he is shown just to be superhuman but not to far above a peak human... the old slade was beast in every category this one is not.. but even with his bio discription how can he win or give him an advantage over logan using his modern abilities feats.

I thought modern slade was way more dangerous than classic

I mean he gained immortality, healing factor, went from the teen titans' worst enemy to one of the most wanted and feared criminals...

he is a deadly assassin/mercenary in DC but he is not uber powerful like he is made to be. as far as i know all his abilities arent really extreme in any way..

his regeneration, how much damage can he take?  his immortality how long does it take him to be revived?

when i said old slade was a beast i meant the 80's version of him..

"Gambler said:

"Didnt they actually end up winning? I thought Green Arrow took a beating so the others could defeat him."

kinda

they were holding him while he was about to make green arrow pass out when superman entered the battle

one could argue that the fight wasn't over yet until he appeared"

"but he didn't use anything that required preparation time, he used his sight and a laser, I would believe that with all of his equipment a laser is there

some of them were common knowledge like Zatanna (seriously that's a no brainer) and hawkman, his amulet giving him his flight ability is common knowledge, even Nightwing who had never had an encounter with Hawkman knew about this"

no one has bn able to substantiate DS for the win with either a convincing argument or a feat scan that puts him over wolverine.
i actually went to other sites and it is the same thing ppl have asked for explanation and scans no one can pull them out.

its just  assumptions.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=483127&pagenumber=4

"He rigged the battle field with explosive for the Flash, he had Dr. Light lead the League to where he was. The whole time he's systematically taking down each member (one by one I might add) he's talking about how preparation plays a part. The fact that he was even able to see the Atom in the first place could be called ridiculous. He tells Kyle Rayner that he's studied Green Lantern's for some time now. All this can be considered prep."

The explosives were the only prep in that.  He didn't have Light lead anybody anywhere.  They just came looking for Light and found Deathstroke.  There was literally no way Deathstroke could have known what superheroes would be after Light because Light couldn't remember raping Sue Dibny.  He took them down systematically because he's just that smart and that good.

Seeing the Atom wasn't ridiculous.  It's ridiculous for Batgirl Deathstroke, who from the few issues of Batgirl I've read and everything you've said or posted about him, is only a shadow of Deathstroke today.  I realize you've read these comic books with Deathstoke acting a certain way but those days are over.  Johns and Metzer brought back the Deathstroke that can take on entire teams on his own and laid to rest the Deathstroke that was equal to David Cain.

Gambler said:

Also, people always bring up how Deathstroke beat the Titans and the League in every battle thread he's in. However, the tactics he used against these teams would not work against Wolverine. He's not gonna beat Logan with a laser pointer, he's not gonna break his fingers. There's no amulet to cut free, and even explosive wont stop Wolverine."

True enough.  He'll just come up with something else.  When he's smart enough to take down such a wide variety of people from Zatana to Hawkman to Cyborg to the Atom to Green Lantern, surely he's smart enough to come up with a way to beat Wolverine.  Hell, wings aside, Wolverine's power set is not all that different from Hawkmans.

" Johns and Metzer brought back the Deathstroke that can take on entire teams on his own and laid to rest the Deathstroke that was equal to David Cain."

Gambler why is comic vine acting all wierd like saying things like flood warning can only post two in a row it never used to say strange things like that was there an update

its  crazy today

"its  crazy today"

yup hard time loading pics, getting error routing problems

what i'm not the only one who is having problems today

"yup hard time loading pics, getting error routing problems"

kinda yeah i really didnt read the whole message

"kinda yeah i really didnt read the whole message"

back to topic wolverine wins if DS dosent have prep time

claws

"back to topic wolverine wins if DS dosent have prep time"

was that an crossover

"was that an crossover"

they always make fun of deadpool

"claws said:

"was that an crossover"

it was a spoof on deadpool to make fun of him..."

oh yeah he's immortal but wolverine aint though

"oh yeah he's immortal but wolverine aint though"

Actually Wolverine cant die either

Gambler said:

"Actually Wolverine cant die either"

wolverine still needs to breathe though if he drowns in the water due to his heavy skelaton he will die

he can die but his immortality is based on his will power and willingness to fight...also heard he is a reincarnated warrior soul..


unlike deadpool who is immortal by a curse.

i would post scans but cant right now dumb clitch doesnt let me.

"claws said:

"oh yeah he's immortal but wolverine aint though"

Well realy he is he heals and he has a metal skelaton and he does't age ether
i donth think bullets or sword are going to kll him"

"he can die but his immortality is based on his will power and willingness to fight...also heard he is a reincarnated warrior soul..


unlike deadpool who is immortal by a curse."

Deathstroke demolished Geo-Force this year.
David Cain can barely even hurt Geo-Force if Brion just stood there. 

The idea that Cain = Deathstroke is ridiculous if you take any of Deathstroke's appearances outside of Batgirl into consideration.

"LordCosmicKing said:

"he can die but his immortality is based on his will power and willingness to fight...also heard he is a reincarnated warrior soul..


unlike deadpool who is immortal by a curse."

i thought wolverine would still need to breathe though like if he drowns in the water he will die"

"LordCosmicKing said:

"he can die but his immortality is based on his will power and willingness to fight...also heard he is a reincarnated warrior soul..


unlike deadpool who is immortal by a curse."

i thought wolverine would still need to breathe though like if he drowns in the water he will die"

"Deathstroke demolished Geo-Force this year.
David Cain can barely even hurt Geo-Force if Brion just stood there. 

The idea that Cain = Deathstroke is ridiculous if you take any of Deathstroke's appearances outside of Batgirl into consideration."

i stiil think wolverine wins

"i stiil think wolverine wins"

"Deathstroke demolished Geo-Force this year.
David Cain can barely even hurt Geo-Force if Brion just stood there. 

The idea that Cain = Deathstroke is ridiculous if you take any of Deathstroke's appearances outside of Batgirl into consideration."

look the problem with the A B logic is that every person that either character has fought have different powers and fighting skill abilities..each character could be defeated by each others rogue gallery because lack of knowledge or powerset..

each taken down differently some are pis others are via plot device.. and something that worked on them may not work on either wolverine or deathstroke..


if you want to use  battles then you have to show a specific feat used by DS that can be applied and likely to work on wolverine.
or a strength skill to show DS capabilities..

"

Gambler said:

"Actually Wolverine cant die either"

wolverine still needs to breathe though if he drowns in the water due to his heavy skelaton he will die

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"claws said:

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Gambler said:

"Actually Wolverine cant die either"

wolverine still needs to breathe though if he drowns in the water due to his heavy skelaton he will die

"

He dies yes, but he comes back as explained in the Casualties of War arc (Wolverine #48)






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Pretty much. Deathstroke can also die, he just comes back.

The idea that Deathstroke can beat Geo-Force in a straight up confrontation is laughable."

"Deathstroke is far from unbeatable."

"It seems like you wanna count ever victory he's ever had, no matter if its PIS or not, while at the same time dismessing his looses."

"Only because you think Deathstroke is even to Cain.  Taking into account every comic he's been in outside of Batgirl, it's not laughable at all."

"No arguement.  I've voted against Deathstroke here.  You just gotta put somebody who's actually above him on the other side.
"

"And it seems like you wanna discount every victory he's ever had as PIS whether it is or not.  Identity Crisis?  You said it was PIS.  Titans East?  You called that PIS.  DCU: Last Will and Testament?  You called that PIS.  Scans I've posted from five or six issues of New Titans?  You called them all PIS.

The only PIS that's happening is calling Cain or Batgirl a match for Slade."

i feel like we are beating a dead horse..

"Zoom said:

"Only because you think Deathstroke is even to Cain.  Taking into account every comic he's been in outside of Batgirl, it's not laughable at all."

Its not just me, its the DCU."

"Gambler said:

"Zoom said:

"Only because you think Deathstroke is even to Cain.  Taking into account every comic he's been in outside of Batgirl, it's not laughable at all."

Its not just me, its the DCU."

It's not the DCU.  Black Lightning told Geo-Force not to fight Deathstroke because he'd kill him.  Superman didn't make fun of seven leaguers getting beaten down by him either.  Nightwing asked the Flash if Deathstroke was as good as he used to be.  Wally said he was better.

The League and the Titans don't think of Deathstroke as Batgirl level.  Nobody in the DCU but Batgirl thinks Deathstroke is Batgirl level."

Deathstroke is too much for Logan to handle