Wolverine can not regenerate from just blood in Earth 616. Also, Wolverine can not regenerate Adamantium. Lastly, there is nothing to regenerate from if Wolverine is completely melted down in lava or at a steel mill
In the Xavier protocols which i believe is Earth 616, Professor X does state that the only way for Wolverine to be killed is decapitation. The scan of Wolverine's head still talking is not earth 616. Therefore Cyclops can decapitate Wolverine's head rather effortlessly
still looking for that scan of cyclops destroying adamantium. And in Wolverine's book, which i'm inclined to believe came out after Xavier's protocols, states that the muramasa blade is the only way to kill him.
It doesn't matter whether or not you think the Muramasa blade is the only way to kill Wolverine or not. Your argument is that the Muramasa blade can stop his healing factor. In Earth 616 Wolverine can die from being decapitated, and once decapitated no more healing factor. Cyclops can blast through human cartilage and tissue, which means Wolverine can be decapitated, easily might I add. Therefore Wolverine dies.
Cartilage and tissue are no where near the density of Adamantium.
When one material comes out after another piece of material stating something contradictory to anything that may be said, older material is no longer relevant. [Protocols Vs. Muramasa]
You have forgotten the original argument. Cyclops can decapitate Wolverine by shooting the cartilage disks in between Wolverine's vertebrae of his spine.
Just because Wolverine says that the blade is the only thing that "put him down for good", doesn't make the Xavier Protocals irrelevant. It just means that he doesn't even know what Xavier knows, and that is that decapitation can kill him.
"In Earth 616 Wolverine can die from being decapitated, and once decapitated no more healing factor.
That was in the Xavier Protocols when Wolverine didn't have the adamantium. Because his bones are laced with it again, the Protocols don't apply anymore.
"You can pick whatever Universe you like, wolverine will still lose his limbs at the joint. Whether it was ripped off, cut off with a sword, or blasted off by Cyclops. Cartilage and tissue is still just that. If i may direct your attention to the scan below where Cyclops is shooting what used to be person, but is now just bones flying apart. This is exactly what would happen to Wolverine whether Cyclops decided to pulverize his bones or not
"You can pick whatever Universe you like, wolverine will still lose his limbs at the joint. Whether it was ripped off, cut off with a sword, or blasted off by Cyclops. Cartilage and tissue is still just that. If i may direct your attention to the scan below where Cyclops is shooting what used to be person, but is now just bones flying apart. This is exactly what would happen to Wolverine whether Cyclops decided to pulverize his bones or not
Cyclops can destroy tissue and joints. Even if Cyclops can't pulverize Adamantium laced bones, he will still blast through Wolverine like the picture above leaving nothing but the bones, which means that Wolverine is not only decapitated but also in as many bone pieces as you can count.
Pixie: Yes Cyclops can catch him Wolverine no matter what evasion manuever Wolverine tries. Can Cyclops manipulate the size and shape of his optic blast? Yes, therefore Cyclops can fire an optic blast the length and width of a football field, as shown with the scan with the sentinel. This will catch Wolverine no matter which way he jumps.
"Can Cyclops manipulate the size and shape of his optic blast? Yes, therefore Cyclops can fire an optic blast the length and width of a football field, as shown with the scan with the sentinel. This will catch Wolverine no matter which way he jumps."
Cyclops did the exact same thing to Wolverine when he was Death, and it didn't work. I'm sure you saw that.
I doubt it's Earth 616, and once Cyclops decapitated it. Then yes he would be. Plus how the hell can his bones keeping moving without his muscles to move them?
"I doubt it's Earth 616, and once Cyclops decapitated it. Then yes he would be. Plus how the hell can his bones keeping moving without his muscles to move them?"
he's wolverine, how can he talk after he's been decapitated? he defies logic.
Someone lied to you or you didn't read the comic. Wolverine was Death, a horseman of Apocalypse, in the 616. But, why would it matter to you when you're using instances from Age of Apocalypse and the Ultimate universe? If you're referring to the scan up top of Wolverine as a skeleton not being 616, that was in Civil War. Anyway...
"@Static Shock: Thats not Earth 616. Wasn't that a what if? issue. In one alternate reality, Wolverine was turned into the Horseman of War. He turned against Apocalypse and killed him, then slaughtering Earth's criminals and villains. Eventually, he became the peaceful Brother Xavier."
No. He was the Horseman of Death in the 616 universe. It was around the time Apoc put the adamantium back on his bones. He was never a Horseman of War in the 616 universe. That's different from being a Horseman of Death.
Cyclops wasn't trying to kill wolverine in that scan when Wolverine was a Horsman. He was trying to knock him back, and trying to make him fall.
The protocols still hold true. Cyclops has never tried to kill Wolverine but if he actually tried to kill wolverine, then he would decapitate him, then melt the remaining adamantium bones
i wasn't trying to say that Cyclops optic blasts would melt Wolverines Bones. I was saying that after Cyclops decapitates Wolverine, them Cyclops would take his bones to a steel mill and have the Adamantium melted down.
i wasn't trying to say that Cyclops optic blasts would melt Wolverines Bones. I was saying that after Cyclops decapitates Wolverine, them Cyclops would take his bones to a steel mill and have the Adamantium melted down.
Look I will have to put it to rest. Cyclops can defeat Wolverine. Even though I can't seem to convince you that Cyclops can kill Wolverine after he decapitates Wolverine, Cyclops still wins the fight. Just because Wolverine doesn't die, doesn't mean that he wins. If we were to accept everything that both you, Pixie, and I have stated, it would mean that Cyclops never killed Wolverine, and Wolverine is still alive but buried in concrete and in the bottom of some ocean trench never to be reassembled. Therefore all things considered it is a tie, and we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
"Look I will have to put it to rest. Cyclops can defeat Wolverine. Even though I can't seem to convince you that Cyclops can kill Wolverine after he decapitates Wolverine, Cyclops still wins the fight. Just because Wolverine doesn't die, doesn't mean that he wins. If we were to accept everything that both you, Pixie, and I have stated, it would mean that Cyclops never killed Wolverine, and Wolverine is still alive but buried in concrete and in the bottom of some ocean trench never to be reassembled. Therefore all things considered it is a tie, and we are just going to have to agree to disagree."
How is a tie if one person can't be defeated by the other.
I consider it death if Wolverine has been decapitated. I consider it defeat if someone is decapitated, has had all of their limbs severed, and the victor has made sure that the body can never be reassembled. But others don't consider that defeat. Even if it doesn't mean death, it still means defeat.
"I consider it death if Wolverine has been decapitated. I consider it defeat if someone is decapitated, has had all of their limbs severed, and the victor has made sure that the body can never be reassembled. But others don't consider that defeat. Even if it doesn't mean death, it still means defeat."
Who's got the scan of Wolverine snapping Cyclope's neck? We are assuming that Cyc would be able to get a very accurate shot Millimeters on a moving target (who pretty much knows everything cyc can do) that is coming to kill him. I see a lot of wide angeled shots to knock Wolv back, not pin pointing his ligaments.
1. Cyclops can get the first shot off. Cyclops can blast just as fast as Wolverine can even attempt to move. 2. Cyclops can absolutely pin him down, or even knock him out completely.
3. He can blow him apart. Cyclops can blast and vaporize living tissue, ligaments, tendons, and cartilage. I can break cartilage with my bare hands. So it is no problem for cyclops.
But thats just it. Cyclops KO's Wolverine. Then Cyclops decapitates wolverine's head, and severs all of Wolverine limbs by blasting them at the joint. Seperates all his limbs all across the earth, in space, in the ocean trenches. Have his bones melted down to liquid the same way it was when it was bonded to Wolverine's bones in the first place. With Wolverine disassembled, he can never kill Cyke
That is assuming that Wolverine will be actually Knocked out. As in passed out. Also, your using Cyc out of character. He could blow up the planet......but he wouldn't. He could disassemble Wolverine but he won't. How many people has Scott actually killed.......one two?
Of course the combatants are out of character. Both Cyclops and Wolverine are friends, and always go into battle togethor. Wolverine trusts Cyclops more than anyone else, and even entrusted the Muramasa sword to him. Originally the dynamic duo of the X-ment was Cyclops and Colossus, later it became Cyclops and Wolverine. This match is based on a fight to the death, with both intent on killing each other. You might need to re-read the very first post.
Both Wolverine and Cyclops are of their current 616-incarnations, and both are engaged in a fight to the death.
Hum....I think this is bad for Wolverine cause he won't be thinking...but he is more than capable of killing cyc. In Ruins...Stealth and tracking would come into play. Though Cyc could clear rubble fast. Also agility, I'll give a SLIGHT edge to Wolverine. At a distance Cyc owns Wolverine, up close I'd give a slight edge to Wolverine, though some of the older scans will say otherwise. I say it could go either way depending on the range and the openness of the ruins.
I stated earlier that the Xavier Protocals say that Wolverine can be killed by being decapitated. This further reinforces my point Cyclops can kill Wolverine.
Everytime I even mention something about Age of Apocalypse, static says it won't crossover.
Also Static, the first post says Wolverine incarnation 616: not Wolverine Horseman of Death for Apocalypse which seems to have an additional mystic power resembling Juggernaught that makes him immune to Cyclops's optic blast.
There are countless scans showing Wolverine getting knocked out by Cyke's even wimpy optic blasts.
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