@king-jagi: So where does he stop? By juice up space marines, are you referring to those of chaos influence?
In lore, round 4 and after (including the 3 eldar characters) can regularly stomp your generic space marines or chaos marines, and consider them fodder.
@sanmiguel1: this is 616 Logan at standard power level. How does he fare?
Edit: Last I check, the rules of this forum is using standard current versions of the characters of it’s not specified. Doesn’t matter though, I’ve made it quite clear in the OP that it’s standard gear/power level for everyone.
@sanmiguel1: yeah, composite will give Logan numerous amps but he ain’t winning shit if it’s standard power like OP suggested.
OT: stops at one, Gabriel Angelos is capable of seeing bullets as if they’re slow motion, and he’s not particularly known as some extremely deadly combatant among his chapter. A 30k Blood Angel is definitely ahead of a Blood Raven Captain from later eras. So he would at least be as fast, more skilled, and a lot stronger than Logan.
Space Marines gets tagged by Tau fodder troops all the time. They're not fast or strong enough to give 616 wolverine any surprises and to prevent his claws to go to town. Bolters hit hard, yes, but Wolverine can tank it.
Wolverine competes with bullettimers or faster enemies often, and he sure as shit beats stronger ones, too. Im not saying he clears or anything, but saying space marine wins is eeh.
@cergic: lmao, and Wolverine gets tagged by fodders all the time as well. There’s a book where random human characters in 40k are able to parry bullets with their blades, and astartes are described as much deadlier and powerful than those dudes in the same book.
@biblebasher: Cool, who else does he stop at? Or does he stop at Ragnar and 6-10?
I think that he might stop at Ragnar. I am in a struggle to know how he can compare to space marines physically, even more for Chapter Masters and Special Characters.
@biblebasher: So how about the eldars in this gauntlet? Namely the exarch, Xelian, Lelith, and Jain Zar?
Here we have some of their feats:
Xelian can cross a room instantly to block Kheradruakh's strikes, right as the latter emerged from shadows.
Lelith treats warbosses, marine heroes, and hive tyrants as fodder. she once killed 12 wyches (capable of dodging bolter rounds and point blank lasgun fire) instantly with a spin. she also dodged full auto rounds from a veteran Carcharodon chaplain handily and cut banners on their faces with her hair instantly after that. she also reactd to and later rode a point blank psychic fire explosion as if she were surfing (the explosion happened right after she cut off a chief librarian's hand). She's only ever cut once in a serious fight, and is > any other wych in Commorragh.
Jain Zar is more or less an equal to Drazhar, who killed a trio of Custodes singlehandedly. There's also instances of her killing warbosses and hive tyrants with ease. She also took down an ork+tyranid+keeper of secrests hybrid Vect tossed in the arenas of Commorragh.
@biblebasher: So how about the eldars in this gauntlet? Namely the exarch, Xelian, Lelith, and Jain Zar?
Here we have some of their feats:
Xelian can cross a room instantly to block Kheradruakh's strikes, right as the latter emerged from shadows.
Lelith treats warbosses, marine heroes, and hive tyrants as fodder. she once killed 12 wyches instantly with a spin. she also dodged full auto rounds from a veteran Carcharodon chaplain handily and cut banners on their faces with her hair instantly after that. she also reactd to and later rode a point blank psychic fire explosion as if she were surfing (the explosion happened right after she cut off a chief librarian's hand). She's only ever cut once in a serious fight, and is > any other wych in Commorragh.
Jain Zar is more or less an equal to Drazhar, who killed a trio of Custodes singlehandedly. There's also instances of her killing warbosses and hive tyrants with ease. She also took down an ork+tyranid+keeper of secrests hybrid Vect tossed in the arenas of Commorragh.
Eldars might be more skilled than him and will mostly rely on their reflexes, gears and skills to beat him. I think that they would come out on top most of the time. Wolverine biggest advantages against Eldars are his durability, pain tolerance and quickness.
True, but the key difference is that Wolverine doesnt die, which is what is relevant.
And nah. Space Marines are not high above bullet timers, especially not in their armor. The average one sit comfortably at the same level. We obviously exclude the named ones and rather talk about the median levels.
You can disagree all you want but theres a myriad of cannon material to lean on to argue in favor of Logan killing a run of the mill space marine.
This is a good gauntlet and Logan is imo losing a few rounds vs 2 and 3, assuming they can harm him. Otherwise stop at 4, i guess. Tough call as he's at the mercy of durability at that point.
Off topic i find it absurd that anyone would claim that a space marine is like comic Luke Cage. Not even close. I love Warhammer, but that's just wanking.
@spqr_330ad: He doesn't struggle with them other than a cat and mouse thing. Let's not get it twisted, he caught and killed Mystique many times, and he also has morals so he holds back from slaughtering everything.
Wolverine is effectively a high mid tier with low physical strength
@spqr_330ad: He doesn't struggle with them other than a cat and mouse thing.
Let's not get it twisted, he caught and killed Mystique many times, and he also has morals so he holds back from slaughtering everything.
He does, Elektra was able to subdue him using pressure points. Mystique also gave him a run, he was by no means all sound and well after their fight. He's also lost to Cap and Daredevil, and had issues with Bucky as well.
Wolverine is effectively a high mid tier with low physical strength
He's not high mid tier. He's not clearing this either, as there are tons of characters faster or as fast as him, and at the very least as skilled.
Wolverine is a mid tier with the durability and survivability of a high tier and a semi-haxxy damage output capable of harming herald level characters.
Its perfectly fine to call him a high mid tier in some departments...
His obvious limitations thats tied to his (fairly) human physicals are the only things holding him back from high tier bracket and makes him useable in so many different stories, from street to galactic.
He's notoriously hard to rank and place into a single box for a reason...
He does, Elektra was able to subdue him using pressure points. Mystique also gave him a run, he was by no means all sound and well after their fight. He's also lost to Cap and Daredevil, and had issues with Bucky as well.
I guess Thor is a street-tier now?
And a guy who can toss cars like a baseball is a street tier too?
Both of those guys would struggle with Wolverine btw. You're logic is... illogical. Pressure points works on practically everyone in comics. Including Thanos iirc.
And anyone can "lose" to street tiers, when the only goal is incapacitation or BFR rather than KO or death. Galactus lost to just about everyone. Again, morals hold Wolverine back, because writers aren't gonna allow him to slaughter namebrand characters even though he logically could, so the characters "defeat" him in unorthodox ways. Spider-Man uses webs to "win", but Wolverine routinely dominated both bloodlusted and regular Spider-Man countless times when he didn't use webs, because again he's not a street tier but fights Hulk every Tuesday.
He's not high mid tier.
He is. Anyone who you consider high mid tier, Wolverine is almost certainly above them.
He's not clearing this either, as there are tons of characters faster or as fast as him, and at the very least as skilled.
I never said he'd clear, he gets about halfway through. Most characters in 40k are decidedly slower than Wolverine, and his durability is simply beyond them, skill has nothing to do with it.
The first two scans you posted are completely irrelevant to the point I made. Using “muh, context” to justify why Daredevil, Elektra, or Cap & WS beat/fare extremely well against him doesn’t really prove anything that support the former characters’ inferiority.
A high mid tier is people like the Thing (using average showings rather than high end ones), or Namor, or Captain Marvel. Wolverine does not belong in the same league.
Now regarding your claim about “half way through” where exactly do you think he’d stop at? 5?
The first two scans you posted are completely irrelevant to the point I made. Using “muh, context” to justify why Daredevil, Elektra, or Cap & WS beat/fare extremely well against him doesn’t really prove anything that support the former characters’ inferiority.
You stated losing to street tier = makes you a street tier. So the scans are very relevant to the point you're making. If that's not your point, make it clear then. What supports Thor's superiority to Moondragon in the scans I posted? She was doing extremely well against him. Daredevil dabbed on Thor as well, and defeated Spider-Man in a fight. Losing to street tiers don't make you one. Context matters whether you like it or not. And cap & daredevil almost always loses to Wolverine btw. I don't know why you brought them up. Wh
A high mid tier is people like the Thing (using average showings rather than high end ones), or Namor, or Captain Marvel. Wolverine does not belong in the same league.
Ok so this is gonna be very easy. Wolverine dominates Thing and Namor so much that it's almost like comparing a predator to prey. Logan accidentally stopped holding back and literally clawed Ben's entire face off with a single swing:
He was maimed so badly that he had to wear a bucket on his head for an entire year IN REAL LIFE, and even asked Dr Doom for help.
Wolverine literally created a story arc with one slash, that's how far below Thing is to Wolverine. And to this day, Wolverine oneshots Thing casually:
I suggest you read more and wank less. Wolverine isn't a street tier, period.
And Namor is also far below Wolverine, to the point where he openly admits he's no match for Logan and Logan fodderizes him casually. The best Namor can hope for is to create distance by flying and punching Wolverine away.
Captain Marvel is pretty much fodder, although they never fought iirc. It's obvious to anyone who read Wolverine's fights what the outcome will be. Same guy who went toe to toe with Gladiator and killed his son, vs a Ironman level glass cannon with zero healing factor.
Stops at 1, a power sword will have no problem dismembering marvel adamantium. BA captain will be stronger, faster, more skilled, and aside from healing factor, much more durable. The bolter alone will down Logan and blow all his meaty parts off his skeleton. Stops at 1 10/10
How fast are 40k characters? This honestly depends on how serious wolverine is taking this. When wolverine is trying dude can become a bullet timer so unless 40k characters operate around that speed I don’t see them tagging him, of course wolverine is also known to like taking damage for no reason so I need to know how powerful 40k weapons are
@dmnb2wavy: Random Astartes (space marines) have shown multiple times to be able to bullet time. There’s also the one instance where several augmented humans were able to parry bullets in a 40k novel, and the marines were described as much faster and deadlier than those people in the same book.
Gabriel Angelos, for instance, can see fired bolter projectiles as if they’re slow motion (he was just a Captain during then).
Splinter rounds in 40k has always been about Mach 5 to Mach 8 in speed. There are several instances of Astartes parrying them with swords or dark eldar wych dodging them.
Regarding weapons, the power sword is a thing that projects a disruptive field around the cold weapon, and dark eldar wych weapons are monomilecular weapons, the edge is being molded to the thickness of a single molecule, they’re also coated with venom capable of bringing space marines down. Wraithbone weapons are similar to power weapons but has warp/magical properties.
Check post 26 for the higher tiers of this gauntlet, those people eat space marines for breakfast.
Stops at 1, a power sword will have no problem dismembering marvel adamantium. BA captain will be stronger, faster, more skilled, and aside from healing factor, much more durable. The bolter alone will down Logan and blow all his meaty parts off his skeleton. Stops at 1 10/10
You stated losing to street tier = makes you a street tier. So the scans are very relevant to the point you're making. If that's not your point, make it clear then. What supports Thor's superiority to Moondragon in the scans I posted? She was doing extremely well against him. Daredevil dabbed on Thor as well, and defeated Spider-Man in a fight. Losing to street tiers don't make you one. Context matters whether you like it or not. And cap & daredevil almost always loses to Wolverine btw. I don't know why you brought them up. Wh
I never suggested anything you claimed. The point is Wolverine always struggles with the characters I mentioned, he’s not supposed to be hyped up as impossible to be put down like you suggested.
Ok so this is gonna be very easy. Wolverine dominates Thing and Namor so much that it's almost like comparing a predator to prey. Logan accidentally stopped holding back and literally clawed Ben's entire face off with a single swing:
As if that would do much to Thing. He can certainly knock out Wolverine.
I suggest you read more and wank less. Wolverine isn't a street tier, period.
Wank what? The only one wanking here is the guy claiming that Wolverine clears.
And Namor is also far below Wolverine, to the point where he openly admits he's no match for Logan and Logan fodderizes him casually. The best Namor can hope for is to create distance by flying and punching Wolverine away.
How is Namor below Wolverine?
Captain Marvel is pretty much fodder, although they never fought iirc. It's obvious to anyone who read Wolverine's fights what the outcome will be. Same guy who went toe to toe with Gladiator and killed his son, vs a Ironman level glass cannon with zero healing factor.
What is Wolverine’s counter to continuous blasts or being punched into space?
Before this gets further off-topic, may you explain where Wolverine stops at so I’d know where to start?
I really don't know nearly enough about Wolverine to comment on who he stops at here, but Imma back the idea that he stops anywhere between 1 and 5. This is just based on me comparing who wolverine fights and struggles with and who the 40k characters listed on here fight on a regular basis.
@kreigastartis: What about the rounds after that(5-10)? Is the gauntlet’s order accurate?
Characters from round 6 to 10 have all killed warbosses and hive tyrants as if they’re fodders (iirc Jain Zar effortlessly slew two HTs, Lelith used warbosses and Hts as practice dummies, while Drazhar is…Drazhar)
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