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@tedirey:

I know , and that's the point i laid across multiple times

Only one debater here was somehow misinterpreting the witching hour events and trying to dismiss her feats because she wasn't in control while she is still witch marked so i gave up trying to convince them

zee should not be compared to diana in that state

Gods beyond zee were afraid of the witchmarked

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@tedirey: I know both magic and reality we’re being rewritten but some powers they possessed were still effective to a certain degree, just like when Constantine pulled that trick. Regardless Zatanna‘s magic was ACTUALLY effective only that the side effect would be horrifying because it summoned the otherkind.

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Sounds like Z can take it. I know Odin can. Thanos is probable. Thor even has a chance because he's resistant to magic and Mjolnir can drain it and cancel it.

Zatanna could not even tickle the same Upside Down Man who had trouble with Diana just being there, Odin is merely skyfather tier and Thor even far below that.

OK? From the feats shown in the thread, WW's below that, even in this form. Even her hyperbole/statements have been matched and surpassed by Odin.

Diana with Hecates might below skyfather tier are you crazy? Hecate was threatening all Gods in the DC Verse at the same time and they were scarred like little schoolgirls in a haunted house and even the earlier Diana with just a part of the power from Witching Hour had a reality altering fight with enough energy to create a Universe

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...Which is something Odin has done.

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We had already a Witching Hour Wonder Woman vs Rune King Thor thread and it was clear that Witching Hour Wonder Woman wins, Rune King Thor is much more powerful than Odin as much as some seem to not like that.

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@Knowledge_King said:
@thebuckaronatr said:
@Knowledge_King said:

Sounds like Z can take it. I know Odin can. Thanos is probable. Thor even has a chance because he's resistant to magic and Mjolnir can drain it and cancel it.

Zatanna could not even tickle the same Upside Down Man who had trouble with Diana just being there, Odin is merely skyfather tier and Thor even far below that.

OK? From the feats shown in the thread, WW's below that, even in this form. Even her hyperbole/statements have been matched and surpassed by Odin.

Diana with Hecates might below skyfather tier are you crazy? Hecate was threatening all Gods in the DC Verse at the same time and they were scarred like little schoolgirls in a haunted house and even the earlier Diana with just a part of the power from Witching Hour had a reality altering fight with enough energy to create a Universe

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...Which is something Odin has done.

Odin is solidly multi-galactical, but everything above that counts as outlier.

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We had already a Witching Hour Wonder Woman vs Rune King Thor thread and it was clear that Witching Hour Wonder Woman wins, Rune King Thor is much more powerful than Odin as much as some seem to not like that.

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@thebuckaronatr said:

Diana with Hecates might below skyfather tier are you crazy? Hecate was threatening all Gods in the DC Verse at the same time and they were scarred like little schoolgirls in a haunted house and even the earlier Diana with just a part of the power from Witching Hour had a reality altering fight with enough energy to create a Universe

...Which is something Odin has done.

Odin is solidly multi-galactical, but everything above that counts as outlier.

Yet he has universal and multiversal feats. Doesn't make sense for someone with as little actual feats as WH WW to be above him unless there's some concrete proof.

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@Knowledge_King: Yet from the same book cresting a portal to another side of the planet is considered “impressive“??? Why should we trust that ape?

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@dr_duby said:

@Knowledge_King: Yet from the same book cresting a portal to another side of the planet is considered “impressive“??? Why should we trust that ape?

Quoting the wrong person, but I do agree with you.

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#58  Edited By MorbusGrav

@Knowledge_King said:
@morbusgrav said:

We had already a Witching Hour Wonder Woman vs Rune King Thor thread and it was clear that Witching Hour Wonder Woman wins, Rune King Thor is much more powerful than Odin as much as some seem to not like that.

@Knowledge_King said:
@thebuckaronatr said:

Diana with Hecates might below skyfather tier are you crazy? Hecate was threatening all Gods in the DC Verse at the same time and they were scarred like little schoolgirls in a haunted house and even the earlier Diana with just a part of the power from Witching Hour had a reality altering fight with enough energy to create a Universe

...Which is something Odin has done.

Odin is solidly multi-galactical, but everything above that counts as outlier.

Yet he has universal and multiversal feats. Doesn't make sense for someone with as little actual feats as WH WW to be above him unless there's some concrete proof.

On the contrary, Odin has way too many lower feats, anti feats, contradictions and way lower portrayals to be considered as above multi-galactical, the Witch Marked, empowered Woder Woman, empowered Circe, and Hecate are consistently above that. Odin defines the skyfathers, he is not above that level.

Characters far above Odin tend to have not nearly as much feats as him, because they are harder to write and are meant to be characters for special occasions, and likewise have characters like Odin far less feats than characters like Thor.

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@Knowledge_King said:
@morbusgrav said:

We had already a Witching Hour Wonder Woman vs Rune King Thor thread and it was clear that Witching Hour Wonder Woman wins, Rune King Thor is much more powerful than Odin as much as some seem to not like that.

@Knowledge_King said:
@thebuckaronatr said:

Diana with Hecates might below skyfather tier are you crazy? Hecate was threatening all Gods in the DC Verse at the same time and they were scarred like little schoolgirls in a haunted house and even the earlier Diana with just a part of the power from Witching Hour had a reality altering fight with enough energy to create a Universe

...Which is something Odin has done.

Odin is solidly multi-galactical, but everything above that counts as outlier.

Yet he has universal and multiversal feats. Doesn't make sense for someone with as little actual feats as WH WW to be above him unless there's some concrete proof.

On the contrary, Odin has way too many lower feats, anti feats, contradictions and way lower portrayals to be considered as aboe multi-galactical, the Witch Marked, empowered Woder Woman, empowered Circe, and Hecate are consistently above that. Odin defines the skyfathers, he is not above that level.

Characters far above Odin tend to have not nearly as much feats as him, because they are harder to write and are meant to be characters for special occasions, and likewise have characters like Odin far less feats than characters like Thor.

Right but Hecate and Circe are not above Odin on average... so why would WH WW suddenly be without proof. Like a handful of feats would be nice. Something more than statements.

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#60  Edited By MorbusGrav

@Knowledge_King said:
@morbusgrav said:
@Knowledge_King said:
@morbusgrav said:

We had already a Witching Hour Wonder Woman vs Rune King Thor thread and it was clear that Witching Hour Wonder Woman wins, Rune King Thor is much more powerful than Odin as much as some seem to not like that.

@Knowledge_King said:
@thebuckaronatr said:

Diana with Hecates might below skyfather tier are you crazy? Hecate was threatening all Gods in the DC Verse at the same time and they were scarred like little schoolgirls in a haunted house and even the earlier Diana with just a part of the power from Witching Hour had a reality altering fight with enough energy to create a Universe

...Which is something Odin has done.

Odin is solidly multi-galactical, but everything above that counts as outlier.

Yet he has universal and multiversal feats. Doesn't make sense for someone with as little actual feats as WH WW to be above him unless there's some concrete proof.

On the contrary, Odin has way too many lower feats, anti feats, contradictions and way lower portrayals to be considered as aboe multi-galactical, the Witch Marked, empowered Woder Woman, empowered Circe, and Hecate are consistently above that. Odin defines the skyfathers, he is not above that level.

Characters far above Odin tend to have not nearly as much feats as him, because they are harder to write and are meant to be characters for special occasions, and likewise have characters like Odin far less feats than characters like Thor.

Right but Hecate and Circe are not above Odin on average... so why would WH WW suddenly be without proof. Like a handful of feats would be nice. Something more than statements.

Hecate and empowered Circe are very far above Odin on average, Hecate outright shits on all skyfathers and even many abstracts.

Hecate divided the DC multiverse and the Dark matter or multiverse however you want to call it as even 1 of the first things in her whole life eons before the Sphere of Gods even came into existence, the whole backstory of Witching Hour with the Upside-Down-Man was about Hecate's multiversal barrier crumbling, which was even Hecate's own fault and somewhat intentional.

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@Knowledge_King said:
@morbusgrav said:
@Knowledge_King said:
@morbusgrav said:

We had already a Witching Hour Wonder Woman vs Rune King Thor thread and it was clear that Witching Hour Wonder Woman wins, Rune King Thor is much more powerful than Odin as much as some seem to not like that.

@Knowledge_King said:
@thebuckaronatr said:

Diana with Hecates might below skyfather tier are you crazy? Hecate was threatening all Gods in the DC Verse at the same time and they were scarred like little schoolgirls in a haunted house and even the earlier Diana with just a part of the power from Witching Hour had a reality altering fight with enough energy to create a Universe

...Which is something Odin has done.

Odin is solidly multi-galactical, but everything above that counts as outlier.

Yet he has universal and multiversal feats. Doesn't make sense for someone with as little actual feats as WH WW to be above him unless there's some concrete proof.

On the contrary, Odin has way too many lower feats, anti feats, contradictions and way lower portrayals to be considered as aboe multi-galactical, the Witch Marked, empowered Woder Woman, empowered Circe, and Hecate are consistently above that. Odin defines the skyfathers, he is not above that level.

Characters far above Odin tend to have not nearly as much feats as him, because they are harder to write and are meant to be characters for special occasions, and likewise have characters like Odin far less feats than characters like Thor.

Right but Hecate and Circe are not above Odin on average... so why would WH WW suddenly be without proof. Like a handful of feats would be nice. Something more than statements.

Hecate and empowered Circe are very far above Odin on average, Hecate outright shits on all skyfathers and even many abstracts.

Hecate divided the DC multiverse and the Dark matter or multiverse however you want to call it as even 1 of the first things in her whole life, the whole backstory of Witching Hour with the Upside-Down-Man was about Hecate's multiversal barrier crumbling, which was even Hecate's own fault and somewhat intentional.

Odin divided the 10 realms, sealing one way. And has a multiversal feat as well. So...that wouldn't be far above Odin at all.

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@morbusgrav said:
@Knowledge_King said:
@morbusgrav said:
@Knowledge_King said:
@morbusgrav said:

We had already a Witching Hour Wonder Woman vs Rune King Thor thread and it was clear that Witching Hour Wonder Woman wins, Rune King Thor is much more powerful than Odin as much as some seem to not like that.

@Knowledge_King said:
@thebuckaronatr said:

Diana with Hecates might below skyfather tier are you crazy? Hecate was threatening all Gods in the DC Verse at the same time and they were scarred like little schoolgirls in a haunted house and even the earlier Diana with just a part of the power from Witching Hour had a reality altering fight with enough energy to create a Universe

...Which is something Odin has done.

Odin is solidly multi-galactical, but everything above that counts as outlier.

Yet he has universal and multiversal feats. Doesn't make sense for someone with as little actual feats as WH WW to be above him unless there's some concrete proof.

On the contrary, Odin has way too many lower feats, anti feats, contradictions and way lower portrayals to be considered as aboe multi-galactical, the Witch Marked, empowered Woder Woman, empowered Circe, and Hecate are consistently above that. Odin defines the skyfathers, he is not above that level.

Characters far above Odin tend to have not nearly as much feats as him, because they are harder to write and are meant to be characters for special occasions, and likewise have characters like Odin far less feats than characters like Thor.

Right but Hecate and Circe are not above Odin on average... so why would WH WW suddenly be without proof. Like a handful of feats would be nice. Something more than statements.

Hecate and empowered Circe are very far above Odin on average, Hecate outright shits on all skyfathers and even many abstracts.

Hecate divided the DC multiverse and the Dark matter or multiverse however you want to call it as even 1 of the first things in her whole life, the whole backstory of Witching Hour with the Upside-Down-Man was about Hecate's multiversal barrier crumbling, which was even Hecate's own fault and somewhat intentional.

Odin divided the 10 realms, sealing one way. And has a multiversal feat as well. So...that wouldn't be far above Odin at all.

Are you kidding me?

Outliers and wrong interpretations of feats about something you could even at most highball to 10 universes don't put Odin so crazy far above his own consistent level, and Hecate's feat would be even still very far above a multi-universal feat just involving 10 universes anyways.

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@morbusgrav: Well, The universal avatars of Hecate did have anti feats as well and one of their feat was universal.... What one of them did was basically nearly getting overwhelmed by Rama’s featless monks who she later destroyed saying “away”. And that was all of it.... Wonder Woman came to confront that girl and they fought for a while without showing universal feat.... According to Dead Man, what they were destroying was just a stone.... Why do you not also accept Odin’s statements when they are clearer and sometimes backed with actual feats despite his down-plays?

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@morbusgrav: Well, The universal avatars of Hecate did have anti feats as well and one of their feat was universal.... What one of them did was basically nearly getting overwhelmed by Rama’s featless monks who she later destroyed saying “away”. And that was all of it.... Wonder Woman came to confront that girl and they fought for a while without showing universal feat.... According to Dead Man, what they were destroying was just a stone.... Why do you not also accept Odin’s statements when they are clearer and sometimes backed with actual feats despite his down-plays?

Which anti feats that put their energy level below universal should that be?

Nobody got nearly overwhelmed by the intangible Deadmen, literally all of the ones going after her died as Manitou Dawn had enough of their shit, and evil Wonder Woman later on was clearly just hunting them for fun.

Except we have explicit on panel evidence for a universe creating level of magical energy right there.

Lol Deadman was talking about Nanda Parbat being not as important as Rama Kushna, he never said anything about the level of the fight going on in that moment.

Why would i accept Odin being far higher than his consistent level, i don't even need to make shit up like you to know that Odin is no abstract level being or even higher.

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@Knowledge_King said:

Odin divided the 10 realms, sealing one way. And has a multiversal feat as well. So...that wouldn't be far above Odin at all.

Are you kidding me?

Outliers and wrong interpretations of feats about something you could even at most highball to 10 universes don't put Odin so crazy far above his own consistent level, and Hecate's feat would be even still very far above a multi-universal feat just involving 10 universes anyways.

Well no, he has one 10 universe feat. The multiversal feats are separate from that.

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@morbusgrav: Being overwhelmed by those featless ghosts before wiping them out? That is enough to be called anti feat.
Because Wonder Woman got more powerful? What do you mean by nobody had problem with them when we clearly that around 7 of them nearly overwhelmed the avatar of Hecate before she wiped them out?
Lmao where is universal energy there? It is not even planet level virtually alone. Only a statement from the detective monkey makes it universal. Nothing else suggests it.

Which suggests that it was just stone temple obtainable everywhere that was about to be destroyed, nothing universal, regardless of the context.
Language, you fool. When did I make up shit? I didn’t make anything up nor did I even claim he was on that level. I simply asked, why do you not accept the statements from Odin and people around him as well as you did this one even though all we have was statement?

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#67  Edited By MorbusGrav

@Knowledge_King said:
@morbusgrav said:
@Knowledge_King said:

Odin divided the 10 realms, sealing one way. And has a multiversal feat as well. So...that wouldn't be far above Odin at all.

Are you kidding me?

Outliers and wrong interpretations of feats about something you could even at most highball to 10 universes don't put Odin so crazy far above his own consistent level, and Hecate's feat would be even still very far above a multi-universal feat just involving 10 universes anyways.

Well no, he has one 10 universe feat. The multiversal feats are separate from that.

Great, could we now stop talking about clear outliers or even making shit up like the other guy, and go back to have reasonable discussion about consistent power levels?

Or can i expect Superman vs Thanos or Odin if not Spiderman vs herald level beings threads again soon, because we all just say screw it and go full on into outlier battles?

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@morbusgrav: Being overwhelmed by those featless ghosts before wiping them out? That is enough to be called anti feat.

Because Wonder Woman got more powerful? What do you mean by nobody had problem with them when we clearly that around 7 of them nearly overwhelmed the avatar of Hecate before she wiped them out?

Lmao where is universal energy there? It is not even planet level virtually alone. Only a statement from the detective monkey makes it universal. Nothing else suggests it.

Which suggests that it was just stone temple obtainable everywhere that was about to be destroyed, nothing universal, regardless of the context.

Language, you fool. When did I make up shit? I didn’t make anything up nor did I even claim he was on that level. I simply asked, why do you not accept the statements from Odin and people around him as well as you did this one even though all we have was statement?

Being not overwhelmed and just killing them all by getting more serious is how reasonable people would call it, and there is anyways no connection between intangible virtually unkillable beings anoying a witchmarked and how much energy a witchmarked can generate to begin with.

Why was Wonder Woman randomly more powerful, and how about you stop making shit up?

Lol, we had witchmarked being universal multiple times explicit on panel, it's not the fault of the writers if you are blind.

It suggest absolutely nothing of that kind, the witchmarked didn't even attacked Nanda Parbat directly, and anyways warped reality around in their fight.

The whole time, and this time again. And i already told you why i don't accept Odin being way more powerful than he consistently is, but mentioning language and then calling me fool already shows me that this debate is pointless and you are just trying to lowball Hecate and everyone related, because you seemingly don't like that beings meant to be far above skyfathers are far above skyfathers lol.

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@morbusgrav: Doesn’t hinder the fact she was down for a few seconds, having all of them sticking their hands out of her body before he blasted them. That is the definition of getting overwhelmed. I didn’t say he lost but overwhelmed for a while. They barely have any feat. That happening to her suggests that she is not as powerful as you think by feats alone. But that is not what I am arguing. I am just bringing examples of anti feats...

What shit am I making up, lmao? I didn’t make anything up. You mentioned Evil Wonder Woman who later became more powerful from the marks collected And Hecate in control.

When? All of them are statements and barely backed by any feats. I don’t give a shit if you would accept them. That is not my concern. There is no need to tell me about that.

One of them came there and attacked it directly which was why it was burning until Wonder Woman came and fought with the other one and got controlled by Hecate. Building level feat virtually Without statement.
When have you told me? It seems like you replied to me only 3 or 4 times in none of which I see any mention. Lol, I did call you a fool because you called me liar for making shit up something I didn’t do. You called me a liar for simply asking a question. Lmao, that is a butthurt statement. I don’t give a shit about that. I simply asked you a question. Stop dodging, chicken.

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@Knowledge_King said:
@morbusgrav said:
@Knowledge_King said:

Odin divided the 10 realms, sealing one way. And has a multiversal feat as well. So...that wouldn't be far above Odin at all.

Are you kidding me?

Outliers and wrong interpretations of feats about something you could even at most highball to 10 universes don't put Odin so crazy far above his own consistent level, and Hecate's feat would be even still very far above a multi-universal feat just involving 10 universes anyways.

Well no, he has one 10 universe feat. The multiversal feats are separate from that.

Great, could we now stop talking about clear outliers or even making shit up like the other guy, and go back to have reasonable discussion about consistent power levels?

Or can i expect Superman vs Thanos or Odin if not Spiderman vs herald level beings threads again soon, because we all just say screw it and go full on into outlier battles?

My point is that if we go off of just statements, Odin too has a few universal and multiversal feats. So I need a convincing feat or two of WH WW to say she's above him. So far what's been presented in the thread isn't enough.

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@Knowledge_King: going through the thread you should have come across the multiple feats i posted on witch marked ww.

Odin is not comparable to Hecate even on his best day. Olympus gods, greek gods and even the lords of order and chaos most notably Nabu and Mordru very clearly speak of her superiority as compared to them. She was rewritting all of magic and had nigh complete control over it. Both facts stated multiple times but somehow it's being argued here that she wasn't

The problem with this thread is one person trying to argue with what's on panel and that is people beyond this gauntlet were afraid of witch marked diana who was being used a vessel by Hecate, whether she was aware or not it doesn't matter because it's still witch marked ww

Witch marked diana is inclusive of Diana being aware of hecate's influence and when she wasn't, for whatever reason Duby keeps arguing that they are two different beings

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@donotdenyyourfate: Honestly the feats posted don't strike me as above Odin. And I have seen them. They're mostly statements.

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@donotdenyyourfate: Honestly the feats posted don't strike me as above Odin. And I have seen them. They're mostly statements.

despite many statements placing her at the very least universal i agree she was very limited in feats but i'll try to break them down for you to get a better picture how her feats place her there as well.

  1. witch marked diana hurt the upside down. I know hurting seems underwhelming but this is against a being who's part of amalgam of beings so damn powerful they one shot the first of the fallen, they were so powerful that even the silver city were afraid of his actions they eventually close their gateway to earth due to the otherkind's actions. this is a being no one else has been able to hurt.
  2. she goes on to replace the pillars of magic, she replaces 2 and gets the control over life and death (not just statements we see the death entity doing her bidding after) and she has control over nature (during the events of Nandu parbat, one of the witchmarked decimates the Parliament of trees and the parliament of flowers who are under hecate become controllers of the green, the only thing left was the sphere of gods and as Witch marked diana makes ease of Olympus this is when Diana's good side refuses to be used to go on to destroy the sphere of gods and that's about the time the upside down man comes to eat Hecate
  3. She tanks a blast from another witch marked that was meant for Rama Kushna. Rama Kushna who many place as Skyfather++ is belittled by Hecate who calls her power nothing compared to hers(despite Rama being at her place of power and even Rama says it) and Hecate signals to one of the witch marked to show Rama her power and Diana intervenes tanking that blast. we later see Rama being urged to flee to avoid death by the witch marked.

now lets move on to statements

  1. Constantine calls diana in her witch marked state more powerful than any god that has walked earth. That coming from a mage as accomplished as him is quite telling. We even see Nabu hover over earth thinking of the chaos he had unleashed as he does not intervene in the events of nandu parbat.
  2. Constantine's other statements. When the team tells Diana they'll evacuate everyone from Nandu parbat, Constantine talks of the situation and refers to Diana as ( greek demigod with Unlimited Power-up she thinks she can control) alluding to the insane amount of power diana had when witch marked.
  3. Zatanna. She is repeatedly shown to be fearful of the amount of power Diana wielded. Even as witch marked Diana fights Hecate we literally see her speak of how she stood there helplessly as reality was written and rewritten
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Statements all pointing to the same point exist on panel. witch marked diana was insanely powerful and had backing from Hecate, the creator of magic.

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@donotdenyyourfate: So what feats does Rama have to be Skyfather+++?

Also I do feel like Zatanna would be fearful in a battle where Odin is ripping reality apart too, would she not?

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I’ve now read the entire arc and have my answer. Thanks everyone.