Winter Soldier & Black Widow vs Green Arrow & Connor Hawke

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The Winter Soldier and Black Widow

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Rules:

  • Random encounter
  • No prior knowledge
  • In character
  • 616 Marvel team, canon DC team
  • Standard equipment
  • Winner is by death, KO or incapacitation

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Teams start on opposite sides of this location out of sight.

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#3  Edited By brucerogers

Hmmm, I say it can go either way given the distance. But Connor is definitely the strongest here in terms of skill and Bucky in terms of stats

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Random encounter makes it an interesting match.

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Tough call. Leaning towards Team 1 due to gear and Bucky's stats

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#6  Edited By Debelindzo

Team 2. Connor can hold off Bucky while Ollie could definitely defeat Natasha. After that, it's basically 2 vs 1 and Winter Soldier cannot take both of them on.

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I found Bucky more impressive than anyone of the Green Arrows, Black Widow seems to be the weak link but I'm sure she can hold either of them long enough until the Winter Soldier finish his opponent, which shouldn't take long. Team 1 ftw.

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@higorm said:

I found Bucky more impressive than anyone of the Green Arrows, Black Widow seems to be the weak link but I'm sure she can hold either of them long enough until the Winter Soldier finish his opponent, which shouldn't take long. Team 1 ftw.

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@higorm: Connor will give give Bucky hell at the very least.He gave shiva hell so I don't see why Bucky will just walk over him like a bug.

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@batofgotham2000: I said Bucky is more impressive not that he "will walk over him like a bug".

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@higorm: You said that Bucky won't take too long against him which is wrong. You really underestimate connor

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@batofgotham2000: So why don't you prove your point with actual arguments instead of just calling me wrong?

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@higorm: Here are some scans of Connor fighting lady shiva (Not sure if it is in order)

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She praises Connor here and even states that Connor has made her bleed and broke some of her bones. Later on Batman also praises Connor's skill.

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@higorm: There is more but you will have better luck learning more about him in the Does Connor Hawke have any feats? thread. I am most definitely not the ultimate green arrow fan but the info in that thread should give you a fairly good idea of Connor and his skill level.

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Team 1, imo. I don't see how they can't win with Bucky on the team. Sure, it might take a while, but it's not like Black Widow is going to lose to Green Arrow. I see them stalemating, or Natasha winning with Widow sting, Oliie has nothing on fast rate fire and electric shock take down.

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#19  Edited By HigorM  Moderator

@batofgotham2000: I've seen those, and that only shows Connor fighting Shiva for some time and than losing in the end, after all he'd died if it wasn't for Tim's supplication. Bucky is a different character he won't engage him in a physical confrontation like she did, he possess his own modus operandi, and about the "praise" thing, Wolverine also stated that between the Winter Soldier and Daredevil he'd put his money on Bucky, he also said Barnes "has been holding back all these years" it doesn't mean THAT much, is a good indication of a characters reputation but it doesn't means one wins the other just because some character said he's good. Connor lack feats to be placed at Bucky's level regardless of his fighting prowess.

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@higorm: And Batman stated after the fight with Shiva that Connor is second only to Shiva in skill and he also quickly ended Silver Monkey who was giving Nightwing trouble and almost killed him.

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Connor is the most skilled h2h and fighter and GA the least so it's pretty tough.

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@higorm said:

I found Bucky more impressive than anyone of the Green Arrows, Black Widow seems to be the weak link but I'm sure she can hold either of them long enough until the Winter Soldier finish his opponent, which shouldn't take long. Team 1 ftw.

i agree with my buddy higorm here

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#24  Edited By haoalchemist
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If standard gear means trick arrows for Ollie then could that potentially help the green arrows? Bucky alone would be a problem for the two.

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This is a good fight.

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The GA's

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Bump.

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#31  Edited By sync1

Connor would beat Bucky 1 on 1... just saying

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#32  Edited By anthp2000  Moderator  Online

Can't say about WS and Connor but Natasha cab handle Oliver. That said, tricks arrows are always dangerous in team battles. Marksmen in general are tbh.