ok im running out of battles, guess this will be my last one for today i dunno if its good kinda gave up on the streets, brawlers are brawling, who goes out
Bane wins. Even without the serum, he is still physically superior to Batman, he is an expert in martial arts, master strategist and genius level intellect. With the serum, easy win for Bane.
2.Wildcat has beaten or caused Bane to people stronger and more durable than Bane
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1. Wildcat is a world champion boxer, and brawler, that's it. Bane is master of various martial arts. 2. I don't understand this.
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What is Bane going to do to stop Wildcat from beating him to death? He's not too durable because Wildcat has beaten the snot out of people more durable than Bane.Bane can't stop him with offense because Wildcat is a better fighter and is skilled in more areas than just boxing,Bane's not to fast because Wildcat has been able to tag Jay Garrick..so what is Bane going to do against Wildcat?
Bane. All he has to do is land one blow and Wildcat is down for the count.
Sure, Wildcat is more skilled but unlike Batman, he's not gonna jump around and dodge. He's a boxer. All trying to block Banes punches is gonna do is give Wildcat a broken arm before Bane kills him.
"Bane. All he has to do is land one blow and Wildcat is down for the count.
Sure, Wildcat is more skilled but unlike Batman, he's not gonna jump around and dodge. He's a boxer. All trying to block Banes punches is gonna do is give Wildcat a broken arm before Bane kills him."
I think you're mistaken about Wildcat's abilities.
"What do you mean and? If Wildcat can take shots from people stronger than Bane how does Bane's strength matter at all?"
1) Wildcat had multiple lives. This means he was able to take hits that should kill him and be fine. He no longer has this ability and some of the people who's punches he survived could now kill him. 2) Wolverine can take hits from the Hulk. Colossus is weaker than the Hulk. Doesn't change the fact that Colossus could wreck Wolverine. By the same token, just because Wildcat can take a hit from someone stronger that Bane doesn't mean that Bane's hits aren't gonna be enough to beat him.
Vance Astro said:
"I think Wildcat can take Bane out with one punch just as easily as you think Bane can do to Wildcat."
Ridiculous. Bane was capable of taking multiple hits from Batman during no man's land without his venom and was still in good enough condition to walk off and curbstomp a group of armed gangsters with his bare hands.
Wildcat flat out cannot take down Bane in one punch.
"Bane. All he has to do is land one blow and Wildcat is down for the count.
Sure, Wildcat is more skilled but unlike Batman, he's not gonna jump around and dodge. He's a boxer. All trying to block Banes punches is gonna do is give Wildcat a broken arm before Bane kills him."
"What do you mean and? If Wildcat can take shots from people stronger than Bane how does Bane's strength matter at all?"
1) Wildcat had multiple lives. This means he was able to take hits that should kill him and be fine. He no longer has this ability and some of the people who's punches he survived could now kill him. 2) Wolverine can take hits from the Hulk. Colossus is weaker than the Hulk. Doesn't change the fact that Colossus could wreck Wolverine. By the same token, just because Wildcat can take a hit from someone stronger that Bane doesn't mean that Bane's hits aren't gonna be enough to beat him.
Vance Astro said:
"I think Wildcat can take Bane out with one punch just as easily as you think Bane can do to Wildcat."
Ridiculous. Bane was capable of taking multiple hits from Batman during no man's land without his venom and was still in good enough condition to walk off and curbstomp a group of armed gangsters with his bare hands.
Wildcat flat out cannot take down Bane in one punch.
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that's not true. He would actually die for a few moments, then he would come back to life. The difference is he's taking hits from people stronger than bane, and he has actually beaten them, such as hawkman.
"Bane. All he has to do is land one blow and Wildcat is down for the count.
Sure, Wildcat is more skilled but unlike Batman, he's not gonna jump around and dodge. He's a boxer. All trying to block Banes punches is gonna do is give Wildcat a broken arm before Bane kills him."
I see this happening.
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Nah, Bane is a methodical genius. Not "just another bum that didn't make it to the big time". Bane would outsmart this Black Panther wannabe.
"Bane. All he has to do is land one blow and Wildcat is down for the count.
Sure, Wildcat is more skilled but unlike Batman, he's not gonna jump around and dodge. He's a boxer. All trying to block Banes punches is gonna do is give Wildcat a broken arm before Bane kills him."
I see this happening.
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Nah, Bane is a methodical genius. Not "just another bum that didn't make it to the big time". Bane would outsmart this Black Panther wannabe. "
Outsmart a black panther wannabe that existed way before black panther was even thought of? Wildcat is also a genius when it comes to fighting. How is he going to outsmart him in a fight?
2) Wolverine can take hits from the Hulk. Colossus is weaker than the Hulk. Doesn't change the fact that Colossus could wreck Wolverine. By the same token, just because Wildcat can take a hit from someone stronger that Bane doesn't mean that Bane's hits aren't gonna be enough to beat him.
This makes absolutely no sense....Wolverine takes hits from Colossus that same as he takes them from every class 100....Your comparison doesn't add up.
"Bane. All he has to do is land one blow and Wildcat is down for the count.
Sure, Wildcat is more skilled but unlike Batman, he's not gonna jump around and dodge. He's a boxer. All trying to block Banes punches is gonna do is give Wildcat a broken arm before Bane kills him."
I see this happening.
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Nah, Bane is a methodical genius. Not "just another bum that didn't make it to the big time". Bane would outsmart this Black Panther wannabe. "
Outsmart a black panther wannabe that existed way before black panther was even thought of? Wildcat is also a genius when it comes to fighting. How is he going to outsmart him in a fight? "
Bane's level of intellect is at a level that can be categorized as genius. He can outsmart Wildcat in any number of ways, or set up an encounter that he will be at peak advantage. Good call on the Wildcat being around before Black Panther, I hadn't realized that.
Outsmart a black panther wannabe that existed way before black panther was even thought of? Wildcat is also a genius when it comes to fighting. How is he going to outsmart him in a fight? "
I don't think Wildcat is a genius but he definitely knows his way around combat...if anything I don't believe Bane of all people will outsmart him.
Zoom said:
Ridiculous. Bane was capable of taking multiple hits from Batman during no man's land without his venom and was still in good enough condition to walk off and curbstomp a group of armed gangsters with his bare hands.
Wildcat flat out cannot take down Bane in one punch.
Taking multiple hits from Batman isn't even a feat.
Bane's level of intellect is at a level that can be categorized as genius. He can outsmart Wildcat in any number of ways, or set up an encounter that he will be at peak advantage. Good call on the Wildcat being around before Black Panther, I hadn't realized that.
When has Bane ever proven to be a genius in combat?
Bane's level of intellect is at a level that can be categorized as genius. He can outsmart Wildcat in any number of ways, or set up an encounter that he will be at peak advantage. Good call on the Wildcat being around before Black Panther, I hadn't realized that.
When has Bane ever proven to be a genius in combat?"
He knew that Batman was a better in hand to hand than himself, so he planned a prison break to distract batman. Only when batman was at his weakest, bane ambushed him, and broke his back. Bruce never saw that coming.
Bane's level of intellect is at a level that can be categorized as genius. He can outsmart Wildcat in any number of ways, or set up an encounter that he will be at peak advantage. Good call on the Wildcat being around before Black Panther, I hadn't realized that.
When has Bane ever proven to be a genius in combat?"
He knew that Batman was a better in hand to hand than himself, so he planned a prison break to distract batman. Only when batman was at his weakest, bane ambushed him, and broke his back. Bruce never saw that coming. "
That's not genius thinking..I could have thought of that.
Bane's level of intellect is at a level that can be categorized as genius. He can outsmart Wildcat in any number of ways, or set up an encounter that he will be at peak advantage. Good call on the Wildcat being around before Black Panther, I hadn't realized that.
When has Bane ever proven to be a genius in combat?"
He knew that Batman was a better in hand to hand than himself, so he planned a prison break to distract batman. Only when batman was at his weakest, bane ambushed him, and broke his back. Bruce never saw that coming. "
EDIT:And I can't put Batman off his guard..i'm real and he's not.
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So now you see the irrelevance of what you said earlier.
And my point is, Bane beat someone who is much tougher, and smarter than Wildcat. So he'd figure out a way to beat Wildcat. "
It is relevant because i'm not a genius but I could have thought of a strategy just as good as Bane's.You actually saying that it's relevant when I can actually execute it is just silly.
Batman isn't tougher and than Wildcat and apparently Bane himself isn't if he had to set Batman up just to have a chance against him.He doesn't have prep time in this one and he didn't figure out how to beat Batman while fighting him so what YOU are saying has no relevance.
"It is relevant because i'm not a genius but I could have thought of a strategy just as good as Bane's.You actually saying that it's relevant when I can actually execute it is just silly.
Batman isn't tougher and than Wildcat and apparently Bane himself isn't if he had to set Batman up just to have a chance against him.He doesn't have prep time in this one and he didn't figure out how to beat Batman while fighting him so what YOU are saying has no relevance.
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You saying that you could have thought of that is irrelevant because you are not a comicbook character, and therefore have never 'broken the bat'. If you had been a comic book character who was able to pull that off, you'd be relevant.
the human Juggernaut said:
"were talking about the same batman who has never beaten wildcat in a fight, right? Every fight they have had is a stalemate. "
Wildcat < Batman, and not his equal. And you'll digging yourself into a hole you won't be able to crawl out of if you argue with that.
"It is relevant because i'm not a genius but I could have thought of a strategy just as good as Bane's.You actually saying that it's relevant when I can actually execute it is just silly.
Batman isn't tougher and than Wildcat and apparently Bane himself isn't if he had to set Batman up just to have a chance against him.He doesn't have prep time in this one and he didn't figure out how to beat Batman while fighting him so what YOU are saying has no relevance.
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You saying that you could have thought of that is irrelevant because you are not a comicbook character, and therefore have never 'broken the bat'. If you had been a comic book character who was a genius, would would have pulled it off.
the human Juggernaut said:
"were talking about the same batman who has never beaten wildcat in a fight, right? Every fight they have had is a stalemate. "
Wildcat < Batman, and not his equal. And you'll digging yourself into a whole you won't crawl out of if you argue with that. "
"It is relevant because i'm not a genius but I could have thought of a strategy just as good as Bane's.You actually saying that it's relevant when I can actually execute it is just silly.
Batman isn't tougher and than Wildcat and apparently Bane himself isn't if he had to set Batman up just to have a chance against him.He doesn't have prep time in this one and he didn't figure out how to beat Batman while fighting him so what YOU are saying has no relevance.
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You saying that you could have thought of that is irrelevant because you are not a comicbook character, and therefore have never 'broken the bat'. If you had been a comic book character who was a genius, would would have pulled it off.
Ok how about this...Any comicbook Civilian..maybe Jimmy Olsen could have created that stupid plan.It still doesn't mean Bane is a genius or can outsmart Wildcat because he didn't outsmart Batman and he had prep..he didn't do it in actual combat.You don't have to be a genius to realize you don't go head on with someone who already proved he can kick your ass...that's just common sense.
"It is relevant because i'm not a genius but I could have thought of a strategy just as good as Bane's.You actually saying that it's relevant when I can actually execute it is just silly.
Batman isn't tougher and than Wildcat and apparently Bane himself isn't if he had to set Batman up just to have a chance against him.He doesn't have prep time in this one and he didn't figure out how to beat Batman while fighting him so what YOU are saying has no relevance.
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You saying that you could have thought of that is irrelevant because you are not a comicbook character, and therefore have never 'broken the bat'. If you had been a comic book character who was a genius, would would have pulled it off.
Ok how about this...Any comicbook Civilian..maybe Jimmy Olsen could have created that stupid plan.It still doesn't mean Bane is a genius or can outsmart Wildcat because he didn't outsmart Batman and he had prep..he didn't do it in actual combat.You don't have to be a genius to realize you don't go head on with someone who already proved he can kick your ass...that's just common sense."
You see, Bane pulling it off didn't make him a genius. Bane being a genius helped in him pulling it off. Let that digest for a second.
And you saying that you could have thought of it is irrelevant (for various reasons, one of which I pointed out).
Finally, any character who is a genius, regardless of strength, will be able to find a way to defeat a character less intelligent in most instances. (ie: Ozy from the Watchmen.) That is all I am arguing here. So just drop it.
"It is relevant because i'm not a genius but I could have thought of a strategy just as good as Bane's.You actually saying that it's relevant when I can actually execute it is just silly.
Batman isn't tougher and than Wildcat and apparently Bane himself isn't if he had to set Batman up just to have a chance against him.He doesn't have prep time in this one and he didn't figure out how to beat Batman while fighting him so what YOU are saying has no relevance.
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You saying that you could have thought of that is irrelevant because you are not a comicbook character, and therefore have never 'broken the bat'. If you had been a comic book character who was a genius, would would have pulled it off.
Ok how about this...Any comicbook Civilian..maybe Jimmy Olsen could have created that stupid plan.It still doesn't mean Bane is a genius or can outsmart Wildcat because he didn't outsmart Batman and he had prep..he didn't do it in actual combat.You don't have to be a genius to realize you don't go head on with someone who already proved he can kick your ass...that's just common sense."
You see, Bane pulling it off didn't make him a genius. Bane being a genius helped in him pulling it off. Let that digest for a second.
And you saying that you could have thought of it is irrelevant (for various reasons, one of which I pointed out).
Finally, any character who is a genius, regardless of strength, will be able to find a way to defeat a character less intelligent in most instances. (ie: Ozy from the Watchmen.) That is all I am arguing here. So just drop it. "
read the original post. There is no prep in this fight. It probably woudn't matter anyway, Wildcat has beaten most of the injustice society single handedly.
You see, Bane pulling it off didn't make him a genius. Bane being a genius helped in him pulling it off. Let that digest for a second.
And you saying that you could have thought of it is irrelevant (for various reasons, one of which I pointed out).
Finally, any character who is a genius, regardless of strength, will be able to find a way to defeat a character less intelligent in most instances. (ie: Ozy from the Watchmen.) That is all I am arguing here. So just drop it. "
And I just told you..what Bane did doesn't make him a genius.It wasn't even that great of a plan.
You are still on whether I can pull of the feat or not when I dismissed it in my last post...
BANE IS NOT A GENIUS.He was never said to be and he has never shown to be.He's not as smart as Ozymandias and if you are using Bane being a genius as pat of you argument..I'm not dropping it because it's not true.
You see, Bane pulling it off didn't make him a genius. Bane being a genius helped in him pulling it off. Let that digest for a second.
And you saying that you could have thought of it is irrelevant (for various reasons, one of which I pointed out).
Finally, any character who is a genius, regardless of strength, will be able to find a way to defeat a character less intelligent in most instances. (ie: Ozy from the Watchmen.) That is all I am arguing here. So just drop it. "
And I just told you..what Bane did doesn't make him a genius.It wasn't even that great of a plan.
You are still on whether I can pull of the feat or not when I dismissed it in my last post...
BANE IS NOT A GENIUS.He was never said to be and he has never shown to be.He's not as smart as Ozymandias and if you are using Bane being a genius as pat of you argument..I'm not dropping it because it's not true.
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This post here( ^ ) indicated to me that I have wasted my time. I am gonna leave and have a snack now. I bid you adieu.
You see, Bane pulling it off didn't make him a genius. Bane being a genius helped in him pulling it off. Let that digest for a second.
And you saying that you could have thought of it is irrelevant (for various reasons, one of which I pointed out).
Finally, any character who is a genius, regardless of strength, will be able to find a way to defeat a character less intelligent in most instances. (ie: Ozy from the Watchmen.) That is all I am arguing here. So just drop it. "
And I just told you..what Bane did doesn't make him a genius.It wasn't even that great of a plan.
You are still on whether I can pull of the feat or not when I dismissed it in my last post...
BANE IS NOT A GENIUS.He was never said to be and he has never shown to be.He's not as smart as Ozymandias and if you are using Bane being a genius as pat of you argument..I'm not dropping it because it's not true.
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This post here( ^ ) indicated to me that I have wasted my time. I am gonna leave and have a snack now. I bid you adieu. "
So you don't know what you are talking about but you claim you wasted you time on me? Next time you don't want to debate just don't say anything at all because you make an ass out of yourself.
"Bane. All he has to do is land one blow and Wildcat is down for the count.
Sure, Wildcat is more skilled but unlike Batman, he's not gonna jump around and dodge. He's a boxer. All trying to block Banes punches is gonna do is give Wildcat a broken arm before Bane kills him."
2) Wolverine can take hits from the Hulk. Colossus is weaker than the Hulk. Doesn't change the fact that Colossus could wreck Wolverine. By the same token, just because Wildcat can take a hit from someone stronger that Bane doesn't mean that Bane's hits aren't gonna be enough to beat him.
This makes absolutely no sense....Wolverine takes hits from Colossus that same as he takes them from every class 100....Your comparison doesn't add up."
You're missing the point. The point was that just because a character (Wolverine) can take hits from somebody who is stronger (Hulk) than the character he is fighting (Colossus) does not mean that the character he is fighting (Colossus) will not beat him (Wolverine). You said that Wildcat has taken hits from characters stronger than Bane. Which is great. But it doesn't mean Bane wouldn't be able to beat him.
Course...Bane wouldn't be able to beat him but thats beside the point.
Vance Astro said:
"Taking multiple hits from Batman isn't even a feat."
Not on the grand scale of things. It certainly doesn't prove that he can win this fight.
But it does prove that Wildcat shouldn't be able to one shot him, as you proposed.
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