Flash travelled and found his partners in minutes(the speedforce was stated to ne infinitely big) but he's only a match after oliver unlocked his potential before that he shouldn't be fast enough to win this
I think Smallville flew to some planet at some point....but iirc...ill have to look.
S11 comic feat I think.....S11 was just a comics.
flys through a wormhole that teleports them to krypton 20 years into the past
this shit never gets old
these same people have seen this same gifs and scans 5000 times and still say the same shit...i'll never understand why these morons have to delude themselves
I think Smallville flew to some planet at some point....but iirc...ill have to look.
S11 comic feat I think.....S11 was just a comics.
flys through a wormhole that teleports them to krypton 20 years into the past
this shit never gets old
these same people have seen this same gifs and scans 5000 times and still say the same shit...i'll never understand why these morons have to delude themselves
nothing more ANNOYING THAN PEOPLE WHO GO INTO THREADS AND DONT READ ARGUMENTS
Can anybody of you explain me ( probably u won't because u won't fight argument )
how those mtfl+ GL and Carol ( who in reality is using wormholes ) and maneuvre their movement at drifting ? Because i don't recal it besides SV Superman and CW Flash.
Idk how fast berry was going in that scene...do you have some numbers??
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Carol can travel 1000lightyears in 1 day.
So 365,000 times the speed of light.
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I think that’s the number to beat so far.
Ok sounds cool ( if we assume she didn't use wormholes but it all happened off screen and wasn't even mentioned by Feige how fast she is ).
But u know in Flashtime electricity ( 1/3 speed of light ) didn't even move in an centimeter while Flash run kilometers of distance from Star labs to Earth-2 to Earth-3 and back to the nuke etc. ? Sorry but making such 1/3 SoL to be a statue to that extend claps Carol and Hal Jordan. And i remember Hal Jordan using wormhole to Oa. Hal best speed is from Earth to Cooiper belt but still below Barry Allen lvl
So I concede that point...he’s still FTL onscreen tho....
And for the record I just asked what feat GL had, I was unclear.
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CM doesn’t use wormholes....
That’s head cannon.
The MCU has wormholes, and plenty of ships travel through them but CM does not.
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First off when Ronan and gang showed up to earth in CM they used a wormhole...visually we see it, right next to earth.
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When CM leaves earth we see her just jet into space, bypassing the wormhole Ronan used and just flying away.
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If you rewatch CM this is a major plot point....the Kree were developing a light speed engine using the tessoract even tho they already had wormhole travel...CM was the accidental result of that project.
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CM doesn’t use wormholes, and the burden of proof is on you to prove she does.
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As for how she maneuvers during travel...well idk but space is really really empty, like mostly empty....but I did leave the rainbow road turns and obstacles for this exact purpose.
So I concede that point...he’s still FTL onscreen tho....
And for the record I just asked what feat GL had, I was unclear.
I have rewatched movie and don't remember really pure speed to planet Oa. But since Earth-12 is canon so might happen.
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CM doesn’t use wormholes....
That’s head cannon.
The MCU has wormholes, and plenty of ships travel through them but CM does not.
i remember sth about 1000 light years statement and hmm maybe she can
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First off when Ronan and gang showed up to earth in CM they used a wormhole...visually we see it, right next to earth.
i remember it
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When CM leaves earth we see her just jet into space, bypassing the wormhole Ronan used and just flying away.
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If you rewatch CM this is a major plot point....the Kree were developing a light speed engine using the tessoract even tho they already had wormhole travel...CM was the accidental result of that project.
Maybe you are right but prefer at least any on screen even guide comicbook feat. But i believe she will show this in future films and Ms. Marvel tv show.
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CM doesn’t use wormholes, and the burden of proof is on you to prove she does.
Hmm u convinced me in 70%. But i would prefer to wait for more feats. She is fastest definitely in MCU Avengers ( besides Thor's bifrost travel ) so might be very true especially if this is power from Space Gem which allows Thanos to travel across cosmos in minutes with speed of teleportation. ( of course not saying she is on tesseract lvl but saying she has very small fraction of this power )
@mangoggodeater: yes that's the best feat but looking his consistant feats it makes no sense and is a huge outlier
Ok i know but the same thing is deterring to Captain Marvel. C'moon she can fly fast enough to rescue Nebula and Stark 1000 ly away or orbit this random sized planet in 5-10 seconds but cannot even blitz Thanos or dodge his punch ( ok i know combat speed is not the same but logically she should maneuvre her movement to watch out for asteroids or black holes or planets during this space travel ).
But knowing life Barry Allen would accidentally come back in time via sheer speed by accident or travel to another dimension
@mangoggodeater: ah physics in each universes are different do Barry going back in time or to another dimension doesn't mean much
And that's combat speed not travel speed which it totally different CM might be the slowest here in that regard but her travel fests are pretty consistant
If you give me a distance I can calc the speed of berrys flashtime.
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I have no dog in this race, I’m just interested in who has the better feat.
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If Barry’s flashtime comes out to faster than 365000xftl then I’m cool with that.
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Give me a few hard numbers and we can measure his speed.
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Look at this scene. Electricity in this nuclear thing has many electrical thing. Electricity is statue for Barry and Jesse. Jesse was running into speed to enter Earth-3 and in show when Jay arrive electricity didn't even move in a centimeter. This is way above 365 000 c as u can statue electricity ( 1/3 speed of light ) not even moving in an centimeter ( even released in this episode electricity was statue to Jesse, Jay, Barry and anybody with speed borrow
@mangoggodeater: ah physics in each universes are different do Barry going back in time or to another dimension doesn't mean much
And that's combat speed not travel speed which it totally different CM might be the slowest here in that regard but her travel fests are pretty consistant
At that point i agree that she just like Silver Surfer in comics or Lanterns are pretty consistently that fast in space.
I left it open so people could bring in another LA contender.....and im going to make Superman composite Live Action.....
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Its not wank, tho her flying from solar system to solar system is impressive....I think this only applies to her space based travel......like not in a atmosphere and not in combat.
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I dont care who wins, I just like math and debate.
I feel like he was stuck there once and some time past.
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Does he have to travel the distance in the speed force to teleport........like if he goes into the speed force on earth does he just teleport to mars.....or does he have to travel a similar distance in the speedforce??
Light travels a 1 centimeter distance in about 3 x 10^-11 seconds.
So a 3rd of that is 3 x 10^-4...or .0003 seconds.
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20 min 20 seconds is how long Berrys flash time lasted.
20 x 60 + 20
1220 seconds is how long flash time lasted in seconds.
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Something to keep in mind is that very can go fast inside flash time.
Flash must go mach 7 to portal to other worlds.
Lets call it mach 10 for easy maths.
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If Berry was going at mach 10 for 20 minutes and 20 seconds he'd of traveled.
Mach 10 is 125 miles per minute..... so
125 x 20.3ish
2500 miles is what he would of traveled during that .0003 second time period if he was running at mach 10 the whole time.
7,500,000 miles per second.
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Speed of light is 186,282 miles per second.
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So Berry is 40x the speed of light by my calc.
Man i think u didn't understand me at all. Electricity is statue during flashtime mode when Barry is just simply walking and thinking. Same with beings who he borrowed the speed like Cisco, Caitlin, Iris, Harrison-2, Joe.
Ok according to how he accidentally bumped into Earth-38 he was moving at mach 12. Barry, Jesse, Jay can move exactly at mach 12 speed in their relative time during Flashtime mode where even speed of light is statue, because electricity cannot move at least in an centimeter. It was moved when Jay or Jesse or Barry were affecting it. This is pretty consistent with those S5 feats ( even Oliver with that power accidentally could activate it ), Flashtime moments including his conversation with Barry-90 where even Black Lightning thunders were little statues ( ok not forgeting his power according to Pariah was stabilizing a bit this antimatter canon absorbing this electricity of this Godlike energy as we know Jeff is like battery ).
Ok yeah there are sometimes lowballing statements like Gideon said 1/80 of UV ray speed etc. but this was injured Barry after antimatter and mentally injured.
Ok he is inconsistent sometimes but as all characters. Like MCU Pietro can catch bullet rushing toward it and humiliate gun user then easily gets hitted etc. Or Thor can be fast in Quicksilver perspective but is jobbing sometimes in reaction speed.
I agree bifrost in MCU is above Flash speed because it was stated 9 realms in MCU are places in different galaxies so intergalaxial travel is rather above Barry allen's speed but Barry's speed is still above Carol.
U know if we only count on screen visual feats then Barry and Hal Jordan are the best
Light travels a 1 centimeter distance in about 3 x 10^-11 seconds.
So a 3rd of that is 3 x 10^-4...or .0003 seconds.
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20 min 20 seconds is how long Berrys flash time lasted.
20 x 60 + 20
1220 seconds is how long flash time lasted in seconds.
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Something to keep in mind is that very can go fast inside flash time.
Flash must go mach 7 to portal to other worlds.
Lets call it mach 10 for easy maths.
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If Berry was going at mach 10 for 20 minutes and 20 seconds he'd of traveled.
Mach 10 is 125 miles per minute..... so
125 x 20.3ish
2500 miles is what he would of traveled during that .0003 second time period if he was running at mach 10 the whole time.
7,500,000 miles per second.
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Speed of light is 186,282 miles per second.
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So Berry is 40x the speed of light by my calc.
Man i think u didn't understand me at all. Electricity is statue during flashtime mode when Barry is just simply walking and thinking. Same with beings who he borrowed the speed like Cisco, Caitlin, Iris, Harrison-2, Joe.
Ok according to how he accidentally bumped into Earth-38 he was moving at mach 12. Barry, Jesse, Jay can move exactly at mach 12 speed in their relative time during Flashtime mode where even speed of light is statue, because electricity cannot move at least in an centimeter. It was moved when Jay or Jesse or Barry were affecting it. This is pretty consistent with those S5 feats ( even Oliver with that power accidentally could activate it ), Flashtime moments including his conversation with Barry-90 where even Black Lightning thunders were little statues ( ok not forgeting his power according to Pariah was stabilizing a bit this antimatter canon absorbing this electricity of this Godlike energy as we know Jeff is like battery ).
Ok yeah there are sometimes lowballing statements like Gideon said 1/80 of UV ray speed etc. but this was injured Barry after antimatter and mentally injured.
Ok he is inconsistent sometimes but as all characters. Like MCU Pietro can catch bullet rushing toward it and humiliate gun user then easily gets hitted etc. Or Thor can be fast in Quicksilver perspective but is jobbing sometimes in reaction speed.
I agree bifrost in MCU is above Flash speed because it was stated 9 realms in MCU are places in different galaxies so intergalaxial travel is rather above Barry allen's speed but Barry's speed is still above Carol.
U know if we only count on screen visual feats then Barry and Hal Jordan are the best
I understand you, and I think that I calced exactly what you just said.....well I said mach 10 in relative flash time, but mach 12 wont change the calc much.
Let me see if I can walk you through how exactly I did the calc in plain language.
You said that the electricity moved about a centimeter during flash time....Right?
And that electricity is about 1/3 the speed of light....Right?
Those were your numbers that I worked from...
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So how I did the calc was I found out what how long it takes for 1/3 the speed of light to move 1 centimeter.
Then I found out how much relative time Berry spent in flash time 20 minute and 20 second.
OK....so he had 20 minutes to do what ever in .0003 seconds real time.
If he spent all that time(20 minutes) running at mach 10 he would of covered 2500 miles.
So i can say he can run 2500 miles in .0003 seconds.
Thats 7,500,000 miles per second.
Or about 40 times the speed of light.
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I hope you can kinda follow my logic here....I think its sound.
Like im using the numbers you gave me..
1/3 the speed of light(electricity) moves 1 centimeter during the 20 minute flash time. Those are hard numbers that im working with..im not claiming inconsistency or anything...and I didnt know how the calc would come out until I did it......I think FTL 40x iis right with the numbers you gave me.
@death4bunnies: I actually meant 1 cm as overally like time is truly frozen in Flashtime. Flash has enough sited in the speed force to gain such godlike powers. i am not gonna argue but i mean u in time frozen mode can run mach speeds ( in his perspective ).
@death4bunnies: Possibly, i have own my calculation but both are ridiculously fast. But also hence the fact Carol, Hal are fast in straight line, but not really during turnings. This will be hard if they really had to make out on the sharp curve. Because this looks like Rainbow Road from Mario Kart 7 so there are sharp turnings
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