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Anyone who can comfortably blitz Marco from a reasonable distance (like a dozen meters or more) would be FTL since light speed attacks from the same distance can't blitz him.
I don't know if Kaido can do that but most likely if we go by in verse scaling. It's implied Marco lost badly to post skip teach and he got blitzed by old Garp at MF, no reason Kaido shouldn't be at least as fast as either.
It says Kizaru's laser
There is no reason for it to reason any different.
And is actually consistent with prior scaling consider Pre-Skip Luffy was already MHS++ in Gear 2
The lasers feat is beginning of Post Skip Luffy post 2 year training with Rayleigh and is a relativistic reaction feat
It's consistent that he would be faster in his Base form through combating Kuma clone who previously took the entire Straw Hats to fight.
In comparison to Post Skip Luffy who can no dif Kuma clone in base.
In shows progression in both areas of AP and Speed post 2 year skip
That's not even factoring in Gear 2 which is already established to be massive amp in speed
Let alone, Gear 4 Snakeman which is specifically known for amping speed
Going a little bit off topic transformations...But just wanted to point out where people are coming from when arguing higher speed tiers
Back on topic
Marcos rel+ feat (reacting and intercepting confirmed LS lasers outta nowhere)
Garp speedblitzing marco ..a feat placing old garp at FTL
Bigmom grabbing marco by the neck b4 he could react and dodge ..easily FTL combat speed from BM which kaido can match for a day and half .
There's also a feat of old rusty Rayleigh match kizaru in combat speed and intercepting him while travelling at LS Which the yonkos scale above.
FASTER THAN LIGHT OP was always a thing since pre Timeskip
@wushu59: That's not evidence that they were able to fully replicate his devil fruit. ”
Directly stated to be his lasers.
What you are saying right now is nonsensical.
If they can't replicate, they'd just use any random laser.
If Kizaru is ftl then that would also mean the pacifist is ftl which means they are both fodder in speed.
I never said he was FTL.
But his Lasers are 100 percent LS
And we know that Kaido combat speed is faster then Kizaru laser through direct statement from Luffy using precog in both instances
@yray: wouldn't that make it High Rel tho? A jump to FTL just because a character blitz a Rel+ doesn't make any sense, at it's highest point it would be LS.
Marco's feat proves he has no problem reacting to attacks moving at ls
If anyone can blitz him it simply means they move Faster than what marco can react to and we've seen marco react to light speed ..so making them FTL from speedblitzing him
@wushu59: Luffy and other characters were able to dodge some of those lasers pre time skip and it failed to hit many characters directly. That statement also said it had Kizaru's attack power which is something many characters were able to easily survive. This would also mean Kizaru is far slower than post time skip Luffy right after training with Rayleigh. Kizaru would be fodder in speed and attack power. There's no ftl feat from Kizaru nor any evidence that he can increase the speed of his light. No evidence that his devil fruit was fully replicated.
I can’t take y’all serious? Do people only think base Luffy with just observation haki while not trying could just dodge Kizaru’s attacks? Come on now power scaling pre TS to post TS is dumb with that scaling everyone post time skip would be faster than Kizaru which is not even close to being true.
Kizaru is still the fastest
Luffy dodged light speed attacks in the beginning of Post Timeskip
He got advanced CoO during WCI which increases his reaction speed even more
But he still did not manage to fully evade Kaido's attack and even he said that i was using FS but he was too fast
That puts Kaido at least FTL in combat speed
If you're not an idiot who trying to cap the verse at Kizaru & also thinking Kizaru is only LS and the fastest man in the verse ( even though that was never stated nor implied )
The verse has been FTL with on panel feats since Pre Time Skip
At the very least the Foxy Arc
Though arguably the Skypeia Arc too if you wanna use that statement from Oda about Enel being LS
Anyways, Kaido is faster probably in combat speed
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