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Poll Who is Faster Ichigo and Kizaru (63 votes)

Kizaru 57%
Ichigo 43%
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Kizaru is confirmed FTL, Bleach doesn't even have a concrete LS meta nvm FTL.

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#2  Edited By NikaGod

Kizaru is confirmed MFTL+ and bleach top tiers are stuck at slower than real thunder speed thanks to candice

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MFTL+💀

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The guy who is LS

Spoiler,that aint Ichigo

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@nikagod said:

Kizaru is confirmed MFTL+ and bleach top tiers are stuck at slower than real thunder speed thanks to candice

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Ichigo

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Ichigo in my personal opinion.

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Ichigo blitzes people who blitz people who dodge LS Negación, even if you buy the "FTL guy made of light" from OP 1092, Ichigo blitzes kizaru

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kizaru blitzes The Flash

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Ichigo..... Tf is this?!?

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Ichigo blitzes people who blitz people who dodge LS Negación, even if you buy the "FTL guy made of light" from OP 1092, Ichigo blitzes kizaru

Negacion isn't LS

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Considering Gin’s Mach 500 bankai wasn’t getting statued by every single character and he actually thought to brag about it, I don’t think counting stuff like negation as LS makes any sense.

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#24  Edited By EcoBlitz

Give me the guy with on panel light speed and FTL speed feats over the other guy who has none in his entire verse

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There does exist LS feats and scaling for Bleach.

Mimhagi was capable to traversing the distance to the Royal Realm within seconds, a distance that is incredibly massive. Yhwach was able to react to it, despite him not being able to see him coming with Almighty.

Yhwach then got several power ups, and both Ichigo and Aizen were able to keep up with him.

As for Kizaru, he is either the dumbest lightspeed character in the history of fiction, or he isn't lightspeed.

Imagine you are Kizaru in the OP world. You can fly around the world at "the speed of light". You know how long it takes him to kill 99.9% of the pirates in existence? Seconds. Just destroy their ships. They are all now either dead or on an island with no ship. No more pirates. OP is over. Thanks for watching.

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@killmonger101: @shirso:

Get luffy this feat

" Those who witnessed that moment felt as though time had stopped around them. Far up in the sky, Hikone, who should have been continuing to fight Ke npachi Zaraki, had come to stand behind Aura. They had likely used all kinds of hoho to do it. It was not just their speed that was odd. Even coming from such a high point at a speed that was close to instantaneous, they hadn’t so much as raised a cloud o f dust where they came to stand. The scene made it seem almost as though they had used spiritual pressure techniques in order to bend the forces of gravity and inertia. Witnessing those movements, which could have been described as beautiful, most of those present weren’t able to respond immediately. There was just one who was up to it."

Hikone moved so fast he warped gravity and the law of motion/inertia which is a ftl feat

Hikone also moved dozens of miles before any of the qunicy could react and qunicy are sub relativistic perception speed

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Ichigo. kizaru is low end ftl

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#28  Edited By shirso

@undre:

Hikone moved so fast he warped gravity and the law of motion/inertia which is a ftl feat

The passage itself states they are doing it with spiritual pressure and not speed. And relativistic is enough to start noticeably bending time and space anyway.

Hikone also moved dozens of miles before any of the qunicy could react

Calc stacking

and qunicy are sub relativistic perception speed

Lol

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@shirso said:

And relativistic is enough to start noticeably bending time and space anyway.

No. It isn't. Relativistic speed is a term a lot of people use but they have no idea what it means. It starts at 5% the speed of light.

Noticeable differences would not occur until significantly higher then this.

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Kizaru has an official authorial statement about being LS unlike Ichigo

the only way Ichigo can reach LS is just with a bunch of annoying calcs and textwall

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Kizaru has an official authorial statement about being LS unlike Ichigo

the only way Ichigo can reach LS is just with a bunch of annoying calcs and textwall

^This

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Doesn't Lille Barro have LS attacks?

Ichigo

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Kizaru by on panel feats,statements and anything logical.

Ichigo by pure cope.

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Imagine you are Kizaru in the OP world. You can fly around the world at "the speed of light". You know how long it takes him to kill 99.9% of the pirates in existence? Seconds. Just destroy their ships. They are all now either dead or on an island with no ship. No more pirates. OP is over. Thanks for watching.

Ah,one of this guys lol

Kizaru cant maneuver while moving in his Lightform hence he uses mirrors via Yata no Kagami.That means,if hes unlucky,he might hit the eye of a gull and ends up in the ocean or space.

Sounds like a good idea Aristeaus...

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Doesn't Lille Barro have LS attacks?

Ichigo

Lille's attack are infinite speed with his ability.

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The one who has actual statements, author's comment, and feats unlike the one where there isn't a single feat of even ls that is confirmed in the story or anywhere else.

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@shirso: nope it doesn't say he did it with spiritual pressure. It says it seemed like he did it with sp to those who where looking.

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#39  Edited By shirso

@Aristeaus: Significantly higher than 5% SoL but still lower than LS? Ok, still a relativistic feat, and Hikone is a god tier character. This is a bad look for Bleach speed meta if it takes a god tier to achieve such speeds and it's FTE to everyone except Kenpachi.

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@undre:

The scene made it seem almost as though they had used spiritual pressure techniques in order to bend the forces of gravity and inertia.

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#41  Edited By Aristeaus

@dertilt said:
@Aristeaus said:

Imagine you are Kizaru in the OP world. You can fly around the world at "the speed of light". You know how long it takes him to kill 99.9% of the pirates in existence? Seconds. Just destroy their ships. They are all now either dead or on an island with no ship. No more pirates. OP is over. Thanks for watching.

Ah,one of this guys lol

Kizaru cant maneuver while moving in his Lightform hence he uses mirrors via Yata no Kagami.That means,if hes unlucky,he might hit the eye of a gull and ends up in the ocean or space.

Sounds like a good idea Aristeaus...

Complete bullshit.

Kizaru has shown travel speeds without Yata and you god damn know it.

Also the argument that Yata can make him unlucky would mean he would never use it. It could reflect off a surface he didn't intend just as easily.

Pathetic attempt. Try again.

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@shirso said:

@Aristeaus: Significantly higher than 5% SoL but still lower than LS? Ok, still a relativistic feat, and Hikone is a god tier character. This is a bad look for Bleach speed meta if it takes a god tier to achieve such speeds and it's FTE to everyone except Kenpachi.

If you take the absolute minimum of the feat, sure. But even if we say 60% is where things become really noticeable, it would also occur at speeds higher then this, including speeds above LS. So you couldn't say for certain what speed it is, only that it has a baseline of 60%.

That is without factoring in bending the laws of Inertia... which is not really quantifiable, but it is certainly well above our understanding of speed feats. Though to be fair, Flash Steps in general don't make sense with science.

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@shirso said:

@Aristeaus: Significantly higher than 5% SoL but still lower than LS? Ok, still a relativistic feat, and Hikone is a god tier character. This is a bad look for Bleach speed meta if it takes a god tier to achieve such speeds and it's FTE to everyone except Kenpachi.

If you take the absolute minimum of the feat, sure. But even if we say 60% is where things become really noticeable, it would also occur at speeds higher then this, including speeds above LS. So you couldn't say for certain what speed it is, only that it has a baseline of 60%.

That is without factoring in bending the laws of Inertia... which is not really quantifiable, but it is certainly well above our understanding of speed feats. Though to be fair, Flash Steps in general don't make sense with science.

No irl science can predict what happens at speeds above LS nor can it reach such speeds so no. At best you can say it's some vague "higher" degree of rel.

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#44  Edited By DerTilt
@Aristeaus said:
@dertilt said:
@Aristeaus said:

Imagine you are Kizaru in the OP world. You can fly around the world at "the speed of light". You know how long it takes him to kill 99.9% of the pirates in existence? Seconds. Just destroy their ships. They are all now either dead or on an island with no ship. No more pirates. OP is over. Thanks for watching.

Ah,one of this guys lol

Kizaru cant maneuver while moving in his Lightform hence he uses mirrors via Yata no Kagami.That means,if hes unlucky,he might hit the eye of a gull and ends up in the ocean or space.

Sounds like a good idea Aristeaus...

Complete bullshit.

Kizaru has shown travel speeds without Yata and you god damn know it.

Also the argument that Yata can make him unlucky would mean he would never use it. It could reflect off a surface he didn't intend just as easily.

Pathetic attempt. Try again.

Yes,but just in a straight line.He cant move left,right,up and down in his lightform thats why he needs the mirrors

Nobody said Yata makes him unlucky.Im not sure what Bleacher post did you read.If hes moving in his lightform and hits the eye of a gull he will end up in space or the ocean.You know,eyes reflects light...thats basic stuff

Its the worst idea you can came up with.

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@shirso said:
@Aristeaus said:
@shirso said:

@Aristeaus: Significantly higher than 5% SoL but still lower than LS? Ok, still a relativistic feat, and Hikone is a god tier character. This is a bad look for Bleach speed meta if it takes a god tier to achieve such speeds and it's FTE to everyone except Kenpachi.

If you take the absolute minimum of the feat, sure. But even if we say 60% is where things become really noticeable, it would also occur at speeds higher then this, including speeds above LS. So you couldn't say for certain what speed it is, only that it has a baseline of 60%.

That is without factoring in bending the laws of Inertia... which is not really quantifiable, but it is certainly well above our understanding of speed feats. Though to be fair, Flash Steps in general don't make sense with science.

No irl science can predict what happens at speeds above LS nor can it reach such speeds so no. At best you can say it's some vague "higher" degree of rel.

Not entirely true. Science would, in general, affirm that things that happen before continue to happen still.

Its also important to know that irl science doesn't even know how fast light is, yet we still make assumptions in science that are considered correct. :-P

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Yes,but just in a straight line.He cant move left,right,up and down in his lightform thats why he needs the mirrors

Nobody said Yata makes him unlucky.Im not sure what Bleacher post did you read.If hes moving in his lightform and hits the eye of a gull he will end up in space or the ocean.You know,eyes reflects light...thats basic stuff

Its the worst idea you can came up with.

Straight lines allow you to move to the left, right, up, and down. Feel like you don't know how three dimension space works. Straight lines would be more then capable of achieving the end of pirates, still in mere seconds.

Eyes do reflect light. But they reflect light back to the light source... That is how you see things. They don't just magically jump into space... lul.

Also, you understand that using Yata anywhere can involve him hitting a reflective surface, right? If hes using it in a battleground, you know where things are breaking and flying about...

That Yata argument is dumb. Just like everything else you have said so far. You really need to try harder.

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#47  Edited By allmidas23

One Piece is, and always will be, the fastest verse in the HST.

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@dertilt said:

Yes,but just in a straight line.He cant move left,right,up and down in his lightform thats why he needs the mirrors

Nobody said Yata makes him unlucky.Im not sure what Bleacher post did you read.If hes moving in his lightform and hits the eye of a gull he will end up in space or the ocean.You know,eyes reflects light...thats basic stuff

Its the worst idea you can came up with.

Straight lines allow you to move to the left, right, up, and down. Feel like you don't know how three dimension space works. Straight lines would be more then capable of achieving the end of pirates, still in mere seconds.

Eyes do reflect light. But they reflect light back to the light source... That is how you see things. They don't just magically jump into space... lul.

Also, you understand that using Yata anywhere can involve him hitting a reflective surface, right? If hes using it in a battleground, you know where things are breaking and flying about...

That Yata argument is dumb. Just like everything else you have said so far. You really need to try harder.

Kizaru never showed that he can move freely in his lightform.Not a single time.It was ALWAYS in a straight line.

Depens were he would hit the eye.In the middle=send back,upper half=see you in space cowboy,bottom half=Welcome in Bikini Bottom.

Dude cant use ANY of his tools while moving in his light form.Yata mirror needs to be used in his normal state.That was always the case

Anyway,Bleach still caps at mach 14000.The verse has not a single feat above that

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@dertilt said:

Kizaru never showed that he can move freely in his lightform.Not a single time.It was ALWAYS in a straight line.

Depens were he would hit the eye.In the middle=send back,upper half=see you in space cowboy,bottom half=Welcome in Bikini Bottom.

Dude cant use ANY of his tools while moving in his light form.Yata mirror needs to be used in his normal state.That was always the case

Anyway,Bleach still caps at mach 14000.The verse has not a single feat above that

Oh my. Straight lines, again, let you accomplish anything you want to do via movement. You clearly don't understand how three dimension space works.

If hes facing west, but wants to go east, he can just turn his body east then move. If he wants to move up into the sky, he can do that as well. Straight lines are just fine for any application of movement.

No, it does not depend where he hit in the eye. Again, the eye reflects light back to its source, not to some unimaginable space or ocean floor. It is quite literally how the human body sees.

He doesn't need to use his tools while moving. Move. Blast some ships. Move. etc.

Mimihagi would most certainly disagree with you. Literally has a LS ish feat on panel.

Stop trolling man. You have been wrong about quite literally everything you have posted so far.

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#50  Edited By LuffySoloHST4

@poopooeater: CAV me, Composite Wally West vs. Kizaru

yeah ignore me as usual. figured. i'll take your inability to CAV me as a W for me, Kizaru stomps flash

OT: Kizaru still stomps