Who has more reiatsu/chakra kaguya or Yhwach

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Poll: Who has more reiatsu/chakra kaguya or Yhwach (43 votes)

Kaguya 49%
Yhwach 51%
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Kaguya easily, even an incomplete juubi had planet lv worth of energy.

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Kaguya.....

She has Infinite Chakra

And before people say she got tired during her fight with Naruto and Sasuke.....

There's a difference between Infinite Energy and Infinite Stamina

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Kaguya

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#4 Haxxxz  Online

Kaguya I mean even in her exhausted and weakened form she created a ETSB which was going to destroy and recreate a dimension which visibly had a planet, a moon and a star so prime kaguya must be leagues above it.

So my vote goes to kaguya

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#5  Edited By EcoBlitz

I’ll wait this one out. See the wank from both sides before making a decision

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incomplete juubi is planet level so kaguya is well beyond that

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Kaguya. She wasn’t even full power and could use a star swallowing ETSB from absorbing the combined power from the fodder army ninjas which pales in comparison to even BSM Naruto who amped them beyond their max power. Prime Kaguya could perform same feat but faster.

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SK husk was holding together at least a galaxy sized dimension. This isn't even close

Kaguya also doesn't have infinite chakra. It's not stated anywhere in fact the complete opposite is implied by black zetsu telling her not to use too much chakra and that teleporting between dimensions uses too much meaning she doesn't have an infinite supply of chakra or he wouldn't mention it

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#10  Edited By Wanderez

^This

Although at least galaxy is a bit too much.

But yeah, weakened SK while sealed holding either SS or Human world is already above anything Kaguya has done with chakra.

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I voted Kaguya because she has more concrete evidence backing up her power.

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Zetsu was warning kaguya not go use too much chakra she has massive reserves but not infinite

Yhwach however had the soul king reiatsu which was enough to hold or destroy 3 dimensions along with the the infinite space in between them dangai

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Not enough information to decide. They should be more or less relative to each other.

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@animefreak1:

How is that statement true since the top tiers use chakra for stamina and vitality? Zero sense made.

Are you saying that Kaguya has infinite chakra and mean it, literally? I sure hope not, as that also makes zero sense.

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Both using their own power and no one else's Kaguaya is above him If Yhwach has the SK power it's him.

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God Yhwach >> Tite Kubo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infinite Chakra Kaguya

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@alextheboss: what does she have that makes her power anywhere close to more concrete?

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@wanderez: honestly you could wank it to multi universal but that's extreme. I say galaxy simply because the SS has at least that within it

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@daruma said:

Both using their own power and no one else's Kaguaya is above him If Yhwach has the SK power it's him.

Also this

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#21 MrViking  Online

Ywach by far .

A quincy who have enought energy to hold or collapse 3 realm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>An alien that never showed anything close .

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@daruma:

Both using their own power and no one else's Kaguaya is above him If Yhwach has the SK power it's him.

Well this is like saying Kaguya’s using the Shinju Fruit’s power and not her own. Yhwach absorbed the Soul King and made that power his own like Kaguya did with the fruit, neither of them summon their power from the fruit or the SK like a Jinjuriki tupe of situation. And even before absorbing anyone Yhwach was above Mimihagi who was able to replace the Soul King temporarily which is something Kaguya can’t do.

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Idk anything about Yhwach so I’m not gonna pretend to know he has less energy in comparison but I can help put into perspective Kaguyas chakra level.

The ten tails in the weakest state we’ve seen was the incomplete one with only a portion of the 9 and 8 tails. Now even that form was being suppressed by Madara and Obito because if they let it build too much chakra they wouldn’t be able to control it. This anorexic(keep this in mind) Ten Tails with only a tiny portion of the 9 and 8 tails had chakra levels compared to that of a world about half the size of earth. Now if we look back at 2 moments when Kurama has his chakra stolen we clearly see loss in mass. The first time when Kurama shrunk was because Minato spilt his chakra in half to seal him, the second time was during the chakra tug of war between Kurama and Naruto where he became anorexic just like the Ten tails was because Naruto had taken most of his chakra and put it in reserves. Now when Obito and Madara’s link to the Ten Tails was broken it started building chakra which caused the world wide storm and nuke looking cloud. Once the Ten Tails finished building chakra it was at the very least 5 times its original mass and grew back half of his missing arm. It’s very safe to assume the Ten Tails alone has between 2-3 planets worth of chakra.

That said Madara with one rinnegan had a much more complete version of the Ten Tails and absorbed the god tree which gave him a boost it’s just never specified how much. This Madara then gets his second rinnegan which seemed to multiply his chakra by 4 times as we see with his limbo clones(and no this isn’t “wank” because we see when the Hokages are making clones while sustaining the barrier they are limited by how much chakra they have and Madara is even stated to have gotten stronger with both eyes and Obito confirmed that when 2 of the same eyes are together they are much stronger). So Madara at this point has somewhere near 10-12 planets worth of chakra and is finally able to keep up with Naruto and Sasuke.

When Kaguya is summoned Naruto and Sasuke are scared sh*tless just by her presence alone when they were completely unfazed when fighting Madara. Even in her weakest state she was getting ready to destroy her current dimension and make a completely new one with her expansive truth seeking orb. Now it’s unclear how much more chakra Kaguya has over Madara but we do know at the very least it’s FAR greater than his.

Please understand that I’m not trying to say all god tier Naruto characters are multi planet destroyers as that has never been seen with their attack potency other than Kaguya getting ready to destroy her dimension and make a new one or Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura making a moon as we’ve never seen them use any other jutsu that can destroy planets.

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@theemperor95:

-10 tails chakra being the size of a small planet

-10 tailed beast bombs being country sized and spammable

-Juubito being even stronger than the 10 tails and tanking 4 beast bombs at once that were trapped in a barrier with his TSB

-Juubidara being stronger than Juubito

-Juubidara casually creating meteors that covered a country

-Naruto easily destroyinf them

-Kaguya being even stronger than Juubidara

-Kaguya supposedly being able to destroy her entire dimension with at least a planet in it

-Toneri casually cutting the moon in half

-Naruto running right through that attack

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#26  Edited By TheEmperor95

@alextheboss: 1. Juubito didn't tank the beast bombs. In fact using the TSB implies he couldn't since he didn't mind tanking other attacks beforehand. You also can't scale madara to that durability

2. Gremmy created an island sized meteor with a single clone which was destroyed by a kenpachi vastly weaker than gerard let alone yhwach

3. SS didn't exist before the SK (neither did human world but I digress) and it's at least galaxy sized. SK keeps that entire area from collapsing which is far better than possibly destroying her dimension

4. Naruto ran through toneri beam by putting all his chakra in his fist

5. Yhwach tosses country sized areas around at relativistic speeds whilst sitting and doesn't even bat an eye

All of his feats are vastly larger levels then hers. Holding SS together alone is far better than any you presented

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@daruma:

The Fruit isn’t her power, like Yhwach it’s something she absorbed and made her power.

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@leothegreatest: No, it's something her clan plants and then harvests. It's completely their power because they make the fruit.

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1. Guy punched Madara through his TSB shield, and the shield broke, but not Madara’s body, so that would imply Madara’s body is more durable.

2. The meteor being island sized is questionable. I would say maybe small island sized. By visuals it’s more like large mountain sized. Madara’s meteor feat is way better either way.

3. Do you have evidence supporting the soul king creating a galaxy?

4. Ok? That’s still more impressive than any on panel blocking feat in Bleach.

5. The area he tossed around was the size of a small island at best if you are talking about the soul palace. It puts Yhwach at casual island level.

Holding the soul society together is impressive, but it was more like he just kept the worlds in balance rather than forcefully holding them together. You could argue it puts Yhwach’s power at planetary, but you could argue the same for Kaguya’s dimension feats. Both have planetary statements, but Naruto god tiers have better on panel feats.

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@alextheboss: 1. Fair enough

2. 1/3 of sereitei isn't large mountain sized lol idk where yall keep getting that from. I've yet to see scans of the sereitei that show a consistent size for it based off visuals. All of them look vastly different are missing things clearly identified in other scans

3. Madara feat is nowhere near as impressive as it wasn't done as casually and he needed dozens of meteor not just one. Kenpachi also destroy it with a single slash in a heavily suppressed state

4. Arguable as it was a hollow moon and it took all of naruto power to do

5. He moved the entire sereitei to the soul palace which is large island -small country sized.

6. False soul society is the entire dimension. Which has at least a galaxy in it.

7. SK actually created all of those dimensions unlike kaguya. Never once was it stated that she herself created those dimensions nor has she showed any powerset that would allow her to

8. Better on panel feats? They just make big boom that bleach God tiers don't. Non god tiers in bleach have been able to resist temps near the core of the sun yet naruto God tiers were afraid of lava, dangai ichigo slapped away an attack with so much gravity it warps space and time and kaguya, naruto and sasuke get trapped by fodder level gravity that didn't kill sakura, aizen had better feats of immortality than anyone in naruto, etc. They don't have better on panel feats they just get overhyped because they can make bigger boom

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1. Guy punched Madara through his TSB shield, and the shield broke, but not Madara’s body, so that would imply Madara’s body is more durable.

2. The meteor being island sized is questionable. I would say maybe small island sized. By visuals it’s more like large mountain sized. Madara’s meteor feat is way better either way.

3. Do you have evidence supporting the soul king creating a galaxy?

4. Ok? That’s still more impressive than any on panel blocking feat in Bleach.

5. The area he tossed around was the size of a small island at best if you are talking about the soul palace. It puts Yhwach at casual island level.

Holding the soul society together is impressive, but it was more like he just kept the worlds in balance rather than forcefully holding them together. You could argue it puts Yhwach’s power at planetary, but you could argue the same for Kaguya’s dimension feats. Both have planetary statements, but Naruto god tiers have better on panel feats.

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#32  Edited By Daruma

@kingogkings777: that was a much stronger attack than the one that broke the TSB. His point still stands.

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Yhwach has more reiatsu than Kaguya has chakra. Neither has planet level feats so everyone can shut the hell up about that(or show me some busted planets), both have to be scaled.

Kaguya hands down has the most chakra in the entire series, there is not contest or debate, no one is even close(not even Naruto when he's inside of Sasuke). She's planetary, her ETSB can only reform a single planet at a time. All the bullshit about stars in the distance and shit is irrelevant, the heavens aren't under her dominion.

Yhwach is above planetary, period. Yamamoto made it clear that he was planetary in power, too many statements confirm this. Yhwach was able to casually handle that level of power meaning he's at least in the same range of power. SK Almighty Yhwach, is at least 5x more powerful. Even Yhwach commented on the excess of power he possessed in that form, and he was already planetary casually. His power extends to the furthest reaches of concepts Kaguya can't even comprehend. Even if we were to consider the stars and moons in Kaguya's dimensions, Soul Society has a prison with infinite space, Aizen created a sun and sky with clouds under a roof, Oetsu has a sea in a city....point is creating dimensions with shit in them is childish, Bleach made time-space its bitch a long time ago; even in a battle of wanked power, Kaguya would lose.

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#34  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

@daruma:

She didn’t plant the Fruit she found it and saying it’s what her clan does doesn't change the fact it’s something completely separate from her body which she consumed to gain power.

Even if we use this argument, the Soul King is Yhwach’s father and The Almighty originates from him meaning that’s his “clans” power as well.

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@leothegreatest: the almighty is Yhwach's that's not what I was talking about.

It's explicitly stated in the manga they all chakra is Kaguya's and it was taken from her not the other way around.

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2. 1/3 of sereitei isn't large mountain sized lol idk where yall keep getting that from. I've yet to see scans of the sereitei that show a consistent size for it based off visuals. All of them look vastly different are missing things clearly identified in other scans

But if the seireitei's size isn't consistent, how can we use its supposed size to say how big the meteor was?

3. Madara feat is nowhere near as impressive as it wasn't done as casually and he needed dozens of meteor not just one. Kenpachi also destroy it with a single slash in a heavily suppressed state

It was pretty casual, and even the fragments of the meteors dwarfed mountain ranges.

5. He moved the entire sereitei to the soul palace which is large island -small country sized.

He didn't move the entire sereitei.

6. False soul society is the entire dimension. Which has at least a galaxy in it.

soul society is a reflection of Earth. Prove it has an entire galaxy.

7. SK actually created all of those dimensions unlike kaguya. Never once was it stated that she herself created those dimensions nor has she showed any powerset that would allow her to

Can I see the statement where it said the SK created the dimensions?

Non god tiers in bleach have been able to resist temps near the core of the sun yet naruto God tiers were afraid of lava,

I never said Naruto characters had better heat resistance. Also Kaguya's body is far more durable than Naruto's. Any of the 10 tail jinchuriki should be able to handle lava. Madara not being cut in half by the lava rashenshuriken backs this up.

dangai ichigo slapped away an attack with so much gravity it warps space and time and kaguya, naruto and sasuke get trapped by fodder level gravity that didn't kill sakura,

Bleach god tiers do have higher physical strength imo.

aizen had better feats of immortality than anyone in naruto, etc.

Kaguya seemed to regen from a clump of chakra, so hers should be just as good.

They don't have better on panel feats they just get overhyped because they can make bigger boom

I agree Bleach characters get lowballed, and Yhwach can theoretically be stronger. I'm just saying based off of on panel feats, Kaguya would have the better energy reserves.

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#37  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

@daruma:

all chakra is Kaguya's and it was taken from her not the other way around.

I didn‘t say the contrary so I don’t know why you brought this up.

She found the chakra fruit and ate it that’s how she got her power which she then naturally gave to her children who then gave it to everyone.

Yhwach absorbed the power of the Soul King Reio to become the new Soul King.

If you’re talking about original power then Kaguya was a low level Ototsuki and Yhwach was still above everyone in Bleach with the exception of Ichigo Aizen and the Soul King.

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#38  Edited By Daruma

@leothegreatest: She didn't just "find" the fruit, she brought it with her and when it was ready she ate it. There would be no fruit without her they're two peas in the pod.

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@daruma:

They were searching for the God Trees she didn’t harvest it she found it.

And the connection between a child and parent should greater than the connection between a fruit and someone who found the fruit.

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@leothegreatest: Dude the tree litterally grew where she landed because she came from space... And brought it with her.

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Zetsu warned Kaguya to not use too much chakra, implying she has a finmite reserve. Yhwach was recreating 3 separate dimensions that were at the absolute minimum, planet sized.

By feats and statements, Yhwach has more energy.

Err I mean KaGuYa SoLoS WiTh HeR MuLtIvErSaL EtSb

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@diydeath: Multiversal Kaguya lol. It is sad that people still try to bring the meme to life.

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#43  Edited By Aristeaus

@animefreak1 said:

Kaguya.....

She has Infinite Chakra

And before people say she got tired during her fight with Naruto and Sasuke.....

There's a difference between Infinite Energy and Infinite Stamina

There is also a difference between having infinite energy, and unlimited energy.

Edo Tensei's have Unlimited Energy, but they are still limited by their chakra pools total.

If Kaguya had Infinite Energy, like you assume, She would be able to accomplish omnipotent feats, like universal busts, etc. She does not have this.

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@daruma:

Was that what the filler arc showed?

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@leothegreatest: all right take away the filler arcs and all we know about Kaguya is what's told to us by her Son and he states she's the Progenitor of all chakra. So my argument stands.

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kaguya ran out of chakra multiple times while sk been keeping the worlds together for millions of years

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#48  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

@daruma:

We were also told she ate the fruit in the manga and we’ll probably get an extensive explanation with Ishikkis back story in Boruto.

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Any Shinigami, Arrancar or Hollow has more Reiatsu than Kaguya, because Reiatsu is not even a existent thing in Narutoverse.

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#50 Haxxxz  Online

Wow so now galaxy-universal-multiversal bleach wank. Seriously who are these people where do they come from how can the society be developed with such people lol.

If throwing assumptions and speculations would have been correct then we would have 5D hogoromo and Multiversal kaguya casually as per Animefreak lmao 😂😆😁 which is not at all true.