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Posted by GXrevs06 (4769 posts) 1 year, 2 months ago

Poll: Who has better immortality? Ban or Kaguya? (64 votes)

Bam 53%
Kaguya 47%

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#1 Posted by ValorKnight (12412 posts) - - Show Bio

Ban is better from a technical standpoint, I'd guess.

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#2 Posted by iUseMyCajonas (4236 posts) - - Show Bio

i dont know about ban but killing her physical form doesnt even do anything to her she can regen from charka

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#3 Posted by ValorKnight (12412 posts) - - Show Bio

i dont know about ban but killing her physical form doesnt even do anything to her she can regen from charka

Ban's physical form can't be killed at all. He has full-proof immortality, the only way to 'kill' him being to steal his soul.

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#4 Posted by iUseMyCajonas (4236 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas said:

i dont know about ban but killing her physical form doesnt even do anything to her she can regen from charka

Ban's physical form can't be killed at all. He has full-proof immortality, the only way to 'kill' him being to steal his soul.

well his is better then lol, what's the point of this thread

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#5 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8224 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on feats? Ban rather easily, as Kaguya had trouble regenerating one arm.

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#6 Posted by ValorKnight (12412 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on feats? Ban rather easily, as Kaguya had trouble regenerating one arm.

I think this thread is asking about how thorough their actual immortality is, not their regenerative healing factors (although, I do agree with your point).

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#7 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya still isn't Dead.

There is no real way to kill her, only seal her.

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#8 Posted by ValorKnight (12412 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya still isn't Dead.

There is no real way to kill her, only seal her.

The same can be said for Ban.

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#9 Posted by iUseMyCajonas (4236 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya still isn't Dead.

There is no real way to kill her, only seal her.

if she runs out of chakra and gets vaporized she'll have nothing to regenerate from

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#10 Posted by Antonio_1996 (1261 posts) - - Show Bio

Ban

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#11 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas: I was assuming they are both at peak, she has a near limitless supply of chakra.

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#12 Posted by iUseMyCajonas (4236 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebeardofzues: You can’t be near limitless.

Ban is limitless.

Even if you could be “near limitless” whatever the f**k that means, Ban is above it. You need to erase his soul. He wins out here as he’s always at peak and she isn’t. She has the possibility to die well within reach far more than Ban. If you beat Ban up for 200 Million years he’d be fine and if you Beat Kaguya up sufficiently for more than a few months straight she’s done. She has a limit and he doesn’t. It’s not rocket science.

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#13 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas:

Kaguya would body him.

soooo what ever you're trying to say I don't care.

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#14 Edited by Pierpat (5855 posts) - - Show Bio

Ban is superior as in he's basically killable only through soul-reap

@thebeardofzues said:

@iusemycajonas:

Kaguya would body him.

soooo what ever you're trying to say I don't care.

This is not a direct 1vs1, it's about the comparison of the one specific power, so kaguya beating Ban is not relevant here.

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#15 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@pierpat: Her power is far beyond his...

Beating Ban would be easier, so yes it's relevant

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#16 Posted by AvatarReiko (1325 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebeardofzues: You can’t be near limitless.

Ban is limitless.

Even if you could be “near limitless” whatever the f**k that means, Ban is above it. You need to erase his soul. He wins out here as he’s always at peak and she isn’t. She has the possibility to die well within reach far more than Ban. If you beat Ban up for 200 Million years he’d be fine and if you Beat Kaguya up sufficiently for more than a few months straight she’s done. She has a limit and he doesn’t. It’s not rocket science.

Limitless my ass. Ban was melted and almost killed by acid. Eli had to save him.

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He can be killed by hellblaze enchantment. It stops his regen.

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#17 Edited by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas:

Also ban isn't limitless, and not even close to her in power, so beating him is easier.

Case closed.

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#18 Posted by Pierpat (5855 posts) - - Show Bio

@pierpat: Her power is far beyond his...

Beating Ban would be easier, so yes it's relevant

It's not because they are not fighting here, and her "power" is not the topic of the thread.

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#19 Edited by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@pierpat:

"Who has better Immortality."

Ban is easier to kill (more mortal than her), and one of the reason why is her power level.....

It's relevant.

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#20 Posted by iUseMyCajonas (4236 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas said:

@thebeardofzues: You can’t be near limitless.

Ban is limitless.

Even if you could be “near limitless” whatever the f**k that means, Ban is above it. You need to erase his soul. He wins out here as he’s always at peak and she isn’t. She has the possibility to die well within reach far more than Ban. If you beat Ban up for 200 Million years he’d be fine and if you Beat Kaguya up sufficiently for more than a few months straight she’s done. She has a limit and he doesn’t. It’s not rocket science.

Limitless my ass. Ban was melted and almost killed by acid. Eli had to save him.

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He can be killed by hellblaze enchantment. It stops his regen.

LMAO WHAT? You just stated why he's getting f**ked up there.

No one in any other verse has hellblaze enchantment. That's a feat for hellblaze enchant, not an anti-feat for Ban. There is literally no reason you tagged me at all because you're agreeing with me.

@iusemycajonas:

Also ban isn't limitless, and not even close to her in power, so beating him is easier.

Case closed.

"hur dur im a naruto debater so hurdur i get offended when other characters are better than my verses characters in any way which is why i immediately come to the defense of them in every thread regardless of format and all i know how to do or think about is who's 'more powerful'"

Stop @ ing me. This isn't about who has more "power" than anyone.

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#21 Posted by Gaoron (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

lul

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#22 Posted by Thekillerklok (10052 posts) - - Show Bio

Meng Hao punches the immortality right out of these pretenders.

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#23 Posted by Pierpat (5855 posts) - - Show Bio

@pierpat:

"Who has better Immortality."

Ban is easier to kill (more mortal than her), and one of the reason why is her power level.....

It's relevant.

*sigh*
You're just a fanboy that wants to say that kaguya wins, aren't you?
If this was the post it would be "who is easier to kill", it's a question of semantics, this excludes the rest of their powerset.

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#24 Edited by LadyAdeline (398 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Zeus means Ban is far more easier to injure and incapacitate than Kaguya, which is true.

Immortality? They are equal.

And Kaguya is the complete/perfect Juubi which is the Shinju Divine Tree. Without 2 Bijuu and in its incomplete second form the Juubi energy was comparable to a planet as shown and stated by the Shonobi HQ sensing sphere. Try to think how much energy prime Kaguya could have with Kurama, Hachibi and all the living forms of the world affected by Mugen Tsukuyomi, while drained with the time.

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#25 Posted by HigherPower (12392 posts) - - Show Bio

There's no criteria to judge supremacy in physical immortality. If they can't die then they can't die. Regeneration speed is another topic entirely.

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#26 Edited by iUseMyCajonas (4236 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan said:

There's no criteria to judge supremacy in physical immortality. If they can't die then they can't die. Regeneration speed is another topic entirely.

yes there is a criteria to judge supremacy in physical immortality.

but one can die if one runs out of chakra and the other can't under any circumstance not regarding magics that directly counter his immortality

the elves in the tolkien verse are all immortal, but they can still die.

@ladyadeline said:

I think @thebeardofzues means Ban is far more easier to injure and incapacitate than Kaguya, which is true.

not only is that completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, it's showing a random clear bias for absolutely no reason other than that he and anyone who brings it up in the thread self exposes as a fanboy

@ladyadeline said:

Immortality? They are equal.

nah, they're not. one can die if they run out of energy, the other can only die if you use a very specific magic to counter him.

kaguya with lord of the rings immortality<kaguya with kaguya immortality<kaguya with ban immortality

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#27 Edited by HigherPower (12392 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas: There's a difference between immortality and longevity. Many fictitious characters are immortal in the sense they can not die of old age or sickness, but can be killed physically through injury.

In this case, neither Ban nor Kaguya can permanently die under any circumstances (but in battle they can be incapacitated). You have no proof Kaguya dies if she runs out of chakra.

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#28 Posted by deactivated-5c60dc252a2af (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

By hype and scaling... Kaguya.

By feats.. Ban.

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#29 Edited by iUseMyCajonas (4236 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan said:

@iusemycajonas: There's a difference between immortality and longevity. Many fictitious characters are immortal in the sense they can not die of old age or sickness, but can be killed physically through injury.

True immortality according to your definition rarely exists in most verses, as many immortal characters have died across the board before. We know not all immortality to be true, which is why this thread was made, to argue which is better.

@god_vulcan said:

In this case, neither Ban or Kaguya can permanently die under any circumstances (but in battle they can be incapacitated). You have no proof Kaguya dies if she runs out of chakra.

You can kill Ban through soul stealing and through hellblaze enchant.

The proof lies in the fact that she regenerates from chakra when there is no physical form of her left. Remove it and what does she have to regenerate from?

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#30 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

So anything that can stop regen kills him?

That's a limit.

Ash bones would do just that.

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#31 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@pierpat:

I don't like Kaguya, she still wins here.

You don't have to like it but it's true, she's more of an immortal.

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#32 Posted by LadyAdeline (398 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas: Have you any proof that Kaguya dies without chakra? Have you any proof that only a 7DS magic can kill Ban and nothing from other 'verse can kill him? This sounds like a super wank. Are you saying that a God from Warhammer or Lucifer Morningstar can't kill him...?

Easy way. Soul steal and soul destruction are a perfect way to kill Ban, as stated by Melascula.

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#33 Posted by deactivated-5b5405244e89c (8376 posts) - - Show Bio

Paul Rudd

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#34 Edited by ValorKnight (12412 posts) - - Show Bio

@thekillerklok said:

Meng Hao punches the immortality right out of these pretenders.

Yeah, by being so incredibly bland to the point of causing me to drop the novel.

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#35 Edited by HigherPower (12392 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas:

True immortality according to your definition rarely exists in most verses, as many immortal characters have died across the board before. We know not all immortality to be true, which is why this thread was made, to argue which is better.

What are you talking about? The statement this counters was about you mentioning tolkien elves who have longevity not immortality.

There's no critera to argue who has superior immortality between Ban or Kaguya. Neither of them can die. The definition of immortality is living forver/not being able to die. To argue which immortality is superior, you'd have to measure factors like regeneration speed or the characters life form (life form as in existing apart from space or time) which isn't immortality itself, just things that grant it.

You can kill Ban through soul stealing and through hellblaze enchant.

Hellblaze has inconsistent feats and soul ripping counts as incapacitation.

The proof lies in the fact that she regenerates from chakra when there is no physical form of her left. Remove it and what does she have to regenerate from?

Taking away her method of regeneration wouldn't kill her. It'd just stop her from regenerating. There's no way to confirm whether she'd actually be dead, especially since we know Kaguya retains her conscious even when she doesn't have her physical body.

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#36 Posted by Thekillerklok (10052 posts) - - Show Bio
@thekillerklok said:

Meng Hao punches the immortality right out of these pretenders.

Yeah, by being so incredibly bland to the point of causing me to drop the novel.

I can't really direct to much hate as ISSTH isn't really a beginners Wuxia/Xianxia novel.

The novel has a slow start, which is a hump that some people can't get over.

I actually tend to like slow paces where stories take there time.

but Meng Hao would still totally punch the "Immortality" right out of these pretenders.

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#37 Posted by ValorKnight (12412 posts) - - Show Bio

@valor_175 said:
@thekillerklok said:

Meng Hao punches the immortality right out of these pretenders.

Yeah, by being so incredibly bland to the point of causing me to drop the novel.

I can't really direct to much hate as ISSTH isn't really a beginners Wuxia/Xianxia novel.

The novel has a slow start, which is a hump that some people can't get over.

I actually tend to like slow paces where stories take there time.

but Meng Hao would still totally punch the "Immortality" right out of these pretenders.

That much we can both agree on.

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#38 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

Ban's immortality is better, despite Kaguya being more powerful

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#39 Posted by Pierpat (5855 posts) - - Show Bio

@pierpat:

I don't like Kaguya, she still wins here.

You don't have to like it but it's true, she's more of an immortal.

it's not her winning, because she is not in the fight.

You're personalizing a post because you are clearly a fanboy... check my bio if you really think I'd argue against naruto for the sake of it being naruto.
You're being childish, lol.

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#40 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@pierpat: I've already gave my opinion on this thread, stop dragging me back to it.

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#41 Posted by EmperorMode (353 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya obviously

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#42 Posted by AlexTheBoss (17980 posts) - - Show Bio

We never really got to see the extent of Kaguya's immortality so it's hard to say.

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#43 Posted by Undre (3689 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya doesnt really have immortality. The sage killed her. Black zetsu had to bring her back.

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#44 Posted by SmoothSanta (2449 posts) - - Show Bio

Ban

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#45 Posted by ManimalMan (838 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre: she wasnt killed, she depowered, dispersed,and sealed.

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#46 Edited by Undre (3689 posts) - - Show Bio

@manimalman: in reality she merged her soul with the god tree. But her body isnt immortal. She had to use black Zetsu to summon her

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#47 Posted by Undre (3689 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre: she wasnt killed, she depowered, dispersed,and sealed.

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Keywords revive and resurrection.

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#48 Posted by zxc6 (651 posts) - - Show Bio

Ban by far

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#49 Posted by ManimalMan (838 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre: so youre just gonna ignored that it repeatedly says she's was sealed, not killed?

Also the official translation of those pages doesn't say revived or ressurected, Just "restored"

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#50 Posted by Undre (3689 posts) - - Show Bio

@manimalman: her will or soul was merged with the god tree. She had to use madaras body to come back. She got sealed but more than likely died while sealed. Because she needed a body to actually comeback.

And madara also claimed to be immortal but as soon as he got the jubi extracted he died. Same happened to kaguya