Who can stop Giorno Giovanna

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#1  Edited By diggydemon

Giorno Giovanna from Jojo's Bizarre adventure is super broken. For those of you who don't know let me grossly under explain his ability. Giorno has a power or a guardian angel.. I guess called a stand. A stand looks humaniod.. to those who can see them (only other people with stands). Giorno himself is human but his stand "golden experience" or his end game form "Golden experience requiem" can not be seen or harmed by anything other than another stand (arguably not seen. a fighter like goku might see it's life energy and god tier charters might be able to too). Golden experience requiems power that makes giorno so busted is his ultimate defense.

Say you're thor. You attack Giorno. suddenly you find you're self in the same spot you were with GER and Giorno totally fine. This is because GER is able to revert an attackers actions and intentions to "zero". (be free to correct me on that). Meaning any malicious actions undertaken to harm or kill giorno never happened. The action is instant (we know this because a villian literally was out of the time stream and attacked giorno and he still wasn't able to hurt him). On top of this is GER kills you you're doomed to a loop of infinite death. Well this anime bull is kind of cheap it doesn't seem like it in the context of the narritive.

My question is this. Who in all of fiction can beat Giorno? I honestly don't subscribe to the fact he is unbeatable because there has to be a character out there that can trump infinite defense like this. Saying someone like the ling tribunal is kinda unsatisfying to me because that's less of a power and more of "f you i'm literally god". So who do you think can beat this guy?

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Probably no one rly. Say featherine tries to kill him then GER wud just negate her intentions n all.

I'ma try and give you a ridiculously simplified version of some of this.

"Umineko/Featherine.

"Beatrice is the first one, and the weakest. Beatrice wrote and maintains a story that encompasses an explicitly multiverse/catbox."

"Then you have Voyagers, who swim around the sea of fragments (where Beatrice’s multiverse is just a fragment) and regard people on Beatrice’s level as fictional characters and will without visible strain create Self Insert Sues on the same meta level as Beatrice to fuck around with stories. They also can jump into works that aren’t Umineko, as they explicitly mention that they might drop by other Fragments like Ghost In The Shell (the anime/manga) or Children of Paradise (the 1945 French Film) after the VN ended.

The you pull out to the Infinite Library. This is the library collected and maintained by Featherine. It is, as the name implies, infinite in size and holds an infinite number of normal sized books on shelves that go on forever. However, each seemingly normal sized book in the library is at least as big as Umineko’s story (with Voyager+Sea included), holding it's own fragments with a character mentioning it’s possible that Umineko’s story doesn’t even rate the size of a single book.

Then you have Featherine, who treats the whole library level as a work of fiction that she can edit herself. A Voyager from the sea of fragments reaches the Library and challenges Featherine, and Featherine pulls out the VN script and edits it so that she wins. Note that this voyager character had been fully capable of using meta powers herself, and had destroyed multiple fragments (fragments here being the same or greater than the catbox beatrice created) and Featherine just went “rocks fall you die”. So now you got Featherine who is a super duper "author" and fodderizes what fodderizes beings capable of creating the catbox/fragment.

The is how Featherine dealt with a voyager: What Featherine did to lambdadelta/voyager, is like what would happen if I made one of my own fictional characters try and fight me. I just pause the story and edit them out. "You lose to me and die" is how Featherine wins

Featherine has greatly surpassed the level of everything and reached the domain of the "Creator/Author/The One Above All/ of the verse" and restricts herself:

"フェザリーヌ・アウグストゥス・アウローラ。?魔女の域を極め過ぎて、造物主の域にまで達し、?

Featherine Augustus Aurora.? She who had go through beyond the end of the domain of Witch, arrive at the domain of The Creator,?"

He will get curbed

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#3  Edited By JOVIOLMA

Lord of Nightmares, Chronos, Featherine Augustus Aurora, The One Above All, Michael Demiurgus, Lucifer Morningstar, The Presence, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, and some other dozens or hundreds, I dunno.

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#4  Edited By Kallinalli

Probably no one rly. Say featherine tries to kill him then GER wud just negate her intentions n all.

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@joviolma: The one above all is just like the living tribunal but... higher right?

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@joviolma: The one above all is just like the living tribunal but... higher right?

I dunno.

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@joviolma: The one above all is just like the living tribunal but... higher right?

TOAA is the creator of the universe.

Essentially the comic book writer (stan lee)

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@rxdking: Ah thought so. Name kind of gives it away.

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Sadly G.E.R was stopped by Heaven Acension Dio meaning he can be stopped by people who are aren't even nigh-omnipotent.everyone mentioned above is way to high and can stomp. Hello someone from the jojo verse who stomps both Dio and G.E.R would be Novel Kars.

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You guys also forgot about God Yamcha.

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Gennosuke Kouga is a street level anime ninja (not to be confused with a ninja ninja) with a passive doujutsu that automatically makes anyone who looks at him kill themselves with their own powers.

That Military Uniform Princess also had a similar power, iirc. One that simply reverses the effect of an incoming attack, no action taken and nothing for GER to negate.

An Ashtanga from Gurren Lagann would negate any probability of GER stopping it from grabbing and throwing the Earth like a tennis ball.

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Fei Fong Wong.

Possibly Rey Yan (has so many broken, but untranslated, skills)

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@diggydemon: I might be wrong, but I see a large weaknesses in how you described it, in the reverting back to zero part...

What if someone hits you before the attack or intention actually happens? Acasual( effect happening before cause, or without cause at all) attacks wouldn’t allow you to revert them that way, because despite hitting you, the action never happened beforehand...

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@kingfrieza: I didn't really explain it well. translation is kind of off.

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GER is really wanked. Anyone multi-universal should beat it, it hasn’t shown power on that level, damn HA Dio who isn’t even multi-universal completely stomped GER and other stands.

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#16  Edited By savythegawd

Any Character that is acasual can be a hard counter to GER casuality manipulation. For example sinbad would be a hard counter as he was removed from the cause and effect of the multiverse in magi. Another easy counter for GER is to just get a faster Character thats above even building level in ap. GER has infinite speed but thats nothing to characters with Immeasurable speed like STTGL golb and the anti-spiral or higher speed like nigh-omnipresent or omnipresent. GER is massively wanked while only being universal for nullifying a time erase on a universal scale. GER is not nearly unbeatable.

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GER is wanked too much. Part 6 proves it has weaknesses. It couldn't stop STH so we can only assume it's weaknesses are

range

LoS/lack of awareness

For universe counters tusk act 4 could do it since it never stops spinning..

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There are many characters from various anime, manga and light novel that can stop or not be affected from Gold Experience Requiem's effect. Some Isekai series tend to have the protagonist become dimensional deities in the end such as Naofumi and Rimuru.

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Actually, there is someone who can beat GER. DIO Over Heaven can overwrite GER’s ability so he can’t use RTZ (Return To Zero). Sure it’s non-canon but still.

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The almighty piano stomps all.

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Rex Salazar's Godmode and Alien X

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Literally anyone significantly faster than him.

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GER is literally unbeatable you can be a planet buster or a multiversal buster it will always be set to zero, You can have Lucifer Morningstar and Endless fight Giorno and all their attacks would be nullified while all of them will experience death on repeat, You can have composite DC and multiply their stats to a trillion and it still won't do anything because all their stats will be set to zero. Giorno can't be beaten period Lucifer Morningstar can't defeat Giorno, The Endless can't defeat Giorno, composite DC can't defeat Giorno, Giorno is one who is literally above omnipotent.

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Holy shit, Giorno isn't even capable of beating some of the characters in his own series with GER. Star Platinum could beat it just on the basis of having a stronger ability from the word of Araki himself. D4C Lovetrain can easily stalemate him as there's nothing to reset.

GER is overrated in his own series. Stop wanking him and Giorno.

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Only people with stronger reality warping.

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#33  Edited By MattyBoi

@panzerx: SP can't touch GER. GER can just reset funny valentine even getting D4C.

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#34  Edited By PanzerX

@mattyboi: By Arakis own words in part 6 SP is the most powerful stand ability, meaning GER is limited in Time Stop. It's power isn't infinite like Tusk Act 4.

Also, how does that even work? Since when can GER reset you so you don't have a stand?

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@panzerx:

By Arakis own words in part 6 SP is the most powerful stand ability, meaning GER is limited in Time Stop.

Wrong, since GER is shown to not be bound by time, also RTZ has nothing to do with power.

It's power isn't infinite like Tusk Act 4.

RTZ is only limited to stronger reality warpers.

Also, how does that even work? Since when can GER reset you so you don't have a stand?

GER resets you using the stand arrow, as it was an action.

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@mattyboi: Time Stop and Skip are separate abilities.

RTZ is a NLF, and shouldn't be applied to everything. It wasn't capable of resetting Bruno's death.

Uh, Valentine didn't get his stand from the Arrow. And he can't reset abilities anyways, only attacks.

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@panzerx:

RTZ is a NLF, and shouldn't be applied to everything. It wasn't capable of resetting Bruno's death.

Giorno didn't' want to reset Bruno's death, IIRC Bruno wanted to stay dead. RTZ is meant to be NLF, as you can reset any action.

Uh, Valentine didn't get his stand from the Arrow

So he naturally had it? Okay, then GER resets his parents making him.

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@mattyboi: It couldn't reset Narancias death, or Abbachios, or anything that already happened.

You're completely misunderstanding GER's ability. It can not undo anything that has already happened. Valentine got D4C from the Heart of the Corpse. There is nothing to reset.

And by Arakis own words, Time Stop > GER.

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@panzerx:

It couldn't reset Narancias death, or Abbachios, or anything that already happened.

Didn't want to. Actually Giorno didn't even know it's ability, nor it's full extent.

It can not undo anything that has already happened.

That's kinda it's ability, to undo what already happened...

And by Arakis own words, Time Stop > GER.

Show me where he says time stop>RTZ.

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@mattyboi said:

@panzerx:

Didn't want to. Actually Giorno didn't even know it's ability, nor it's full extent.

Then shouldn't GER have reset their deaths automatically?

That's kinda it's ability, to undo what already happened..

It undos direct attacks. King Crimson was reset because time still flows during a Time Skip. GER was able to react to it as it was tailored to defeat King Crimson. Time Stop is absolute zero. Nothing to react to.

Show me where he says time stop>RTZ.

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@panzerx:

Then shouldn't GER have reset their deaths automatically?

Why would it? It doesn't care about Giorno's friends it only cares about Giorno.

It undos direct attacks.

Based off? The databook says it can undo any action.

King Crimson was reset because time still flows during a Time Skip.

Time is actually completely erases time for everyone besides himself, he's not skipping time.

GER was able to react to it as it was tailored to defeat King Crimson.

And unintentionally every other canon stand.

Time Stop is absolute zero. Nothing to react to.

So is time erase, as it literally erases time.

The picture you showed me said it's the strongest stand ability, except it means nothing here as RTZ has literally nothing to do with strength.

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@mattyboi: It obeys Giornos will, and should have obeyed his will to reset their deaths, if it were capable.

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It states it is capable of resetting an opponent's actions to zero, but it only does that on a direct attack. It didn't instantly negate King Crimson's time skip.

Time Skip = Time Erasure. It shows several times that time moves as normal and everyone does their own fated actions during the Time Skip.

GER doesn't defeat every other canon stand. It couldn't, for example, beat stands that do not attack Giorno directly, such as Superfly which would trap himself, or Heavy Weather which would turn Giorno into a snail because of his own thoughts.

It means strongest ability as in the most powerful ability. It even says SP is the most invincible stand ability again in part 6.

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@panzerx:

It obeys Giornos will, and should have obeyed his will to reset their deaths, if it were capable.

Again Giorno didnt know it's full capabilities.

It states it is capable of resetting an opponent's actions to zero, but it only does that on a direct attack. It didn't instantly negate King Crimson's time skip.

It only does it passively on a direct attack, GER isn't limited to it and if Giorno wished it or GER thought it was the only way to beat someone it would reset actions necessary to do so.

It shows several times that time moves as normal and everyone does their own fated actions during the Time Skip.

IIRC when Diavolo TE'd after Mista shot the bullets he completely stopped moving, and Giorno stopped moving mid-TE.

GER doesn't defeat every other canon stand. It couldn't, for example, beat stands that do not attack Giorno directly, such as Superfly which would trap himself, or Heavy Weather which would turn Giorno into a snail because of his own thoughts.

Return to zero.

It means strongest ability as in the most powerful ability. It even says SP is the most invincible stand ability again in part 6.

Except it's not invincible. And again, RTZ doesn't have anything to do with power or strength.

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@mattyboi said:

@panzerx:

Again Giorno didnt know it's full capabilities.

And? GER should have still obeyed Giorno's will. GER can prevent actions from happening not rewrite the past. GER is limited by fate after all.

It only does it passively on a direct attack, GER isn't limited to it and if Giorno wished it or GER thought it was the only way to beat someone it would reset actions necessary to do so.

No, GER had ample time to reset KC's timeskip but didn't until Diavolo stopped him.

IIRC when Diavolo TE'd after Mista shot the bullets he completely stopped moving, and Giorno stopped moving mid-TE.

He didn't stop moving, and even if he did, time is still flowing during Time Skip.

Return to zero.

What is there to reset? None of these are attacks, they're Giorno's own actions. He can't reset them at all.

Except it's not invincible. And again, RTZ doesn't have anything to do with power or strength.

It's true that Jotaro isn't invincible, but during Time Stop he is. And come off it, Araki knew what GER was capable of and still said Time Stop was greater. Just because it's not related to straight up power or strength doesn't exclude Time Stop from being better.

GER has a separate consciousness than Giorno as shown in both the anime and manga when it stated that not even Giorno was aware of what it was doing. GER is shown to be a purely reactionary defensive stand with offensive capabilities. It activated during time skip because it was conscious and perceived Diavolo as a threat when he started to punch him. Time still flows in Time Skip, but time stop is absolute zero, there is no room to be conscious to react. SP stops time and immediately bodies GER instantly. If GER were truly infinite, like Tusk Act 4, it would be able to move in stopped time, but it isn't infinite. Not even close.

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@panzerx: bUt gEr iS iNvInCiBlE *HuRr dUrR*

Probably no one rly. Say featherine tries to kill him then GER wud just negate her intentions n all.

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Who can stop GER?

The World Over Heaven.

Lol

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@chasekilleen: GER has way too many misconceptions and wank around it honestly.

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@chasekilleen: I think it's fairly evident by now that GER is not an instant ability negater. Hell, Araki himself has said SP is the most invincible stand in Part 6 due to Time Stop, knowing full well what GER was capable of. GER couldn't reset MIH, nor could it even instantly negate KC's Time Skip.

It's overwanked and isn't even the strongest stand in its verse.

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@panzerx: GER has only shown ONE feat and people wank it to high heavens.

I mean it's clear that GER is not instantaneous that's agreed upon, but it's also shown that takes time for it to activate like it did here.

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Furthermore: GER is its own consciousness, Giorno doesn't have full control over GER, if you take away GER/Giorno's 5 senses away then he's screwed similarly soul manipulators can kill GER or render it useless.

If any of reality warper/soul manipulators/sense manipulators can defeat GER then we do not need a nigh-omnipotent being to even defeat GER.

She can manipulate scripts, basically having author powers or plot manipulation and kill Giorno in no time.
She can manipulate scripts, basically having author powers or plot manipulation and kill Giorno in no time.