Who can defeat Superman???????

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#1  Edited By Hardartist

Does anyone know who can defeat superman? Somone might defeat him.

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Wonder Woman

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#3  Edited By Nighthunter

Do cosmic/divine beeings count?

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#4  Edited By Erik

Goku!!! Just kidding haha.

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#5  Edited By Meteorite

Silver Surfer maybe? He could remove the bonds between all of his atoms. I don't see Clark being invulnerable to that.

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#6  Edited By BuckshotWasHere  Moderator
Majestic with his big ass, super sharp, shape-shifting, energy sword.
Majestic with his big ass, super sharp, shape-shifting, energy sword.
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#7  Edited By Static Shock
Meteorite said:
"Silver Surfer maybe? He could remove the bonds between all of his atoms. I don't see Clark being invulnerable to that."
Superman has survived punishment of that caliber....
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#8  Edited By zee crusher

Shaggy man I'm guessing...........

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#9  Edited By Hardartist

But can Galactus or can anyone else can escape his attacks?

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#10  Edited By Static Shock
One Above All. He could do it without even trying....
One Above All. He could do it without even trying....
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Hardartist said:
"But can Galactus or can anyone else can escape his attacks?"

Galactus would laugh at supermans attacks. Last time Galactus fought superman, Superman had the power cosmic and still lost. So its safe to say he'd loose again with out the power cosmic.

Thor could do it.

Runner could do it.

Mangog could do it.

Squrriel girl could do it.

Dr.Doom could do it .

I take it all back which version of superman are we speaking off anyway?
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#12  Edited By Hardartist

I guess so.....

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#13  Edited By The_Ghostshell

Thor no, Doom no

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Gambler said:
"Thor no, Doom no
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Well Gambler Doom has done it before even if he did use Green k. Superman won't be able to harm Thor. He might not be able to touch Thor. Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.

So Thor and Doom would crush superman.
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#16  Edited By Static Shock
zee crusher said:
"Thor could do it."
Debatable.

zee crusher said:
"Squrriel girl could do it.

Dr.Doom could do it .
No....

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#18  Edited By zee crusher
Hardartist said:
"I guess so....."

Basically which verison of superman are talking about. Do I have to list them?
Pre crisis
Post crisis
Superman blue
Superman red
All Star Superman
Superman One million
Dark Superman
I guess Ultraman
Superman prime Original version
Golden Age superman
 List goes on.
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#19  Edited By Static Shock
zee crusher said:
"Well Gambler Doom has done it before even if he did use Green k. Superman won't be able to harm Thor. He might not be able to touch Thor. Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.

So Thor and Doom would crush superman.
"
*Static shakes his head in disagreement*
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#20  Edited By The_Ghostshell
zee crusher said:
"Gambler said:
"Thor no, Doom no
"
Well Gambler Doom has done it before even if he did use Green k. Superman won't be able to harm Thor. He might not be able to touch Thor. Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.

So Thor and Doom would crush superman.
"
Well Zee Superman beat Thor before. And Superman can move at 10times the speed of thought. But u knew that already.
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#21  Edited By zee crusher
Static Shock said:
"zee crusher said:
"Thor could do it."
Debatable.

zee crusher said:
"Squrriel girl could do it.

Dr.Doom could do it .
No....

"
Squrriel girl was a joke. Dr.Doom has done it in some earlier comics. That was with prep however. Don't you guys realize if he can steal the Silver Surfers powers, Beyonders, Galactus, Odins powers Deflect hits from Thors hammer and human torches flames, as well as get rid of Ghost rider in one hit that Superman would be considered a joke in his eyes??
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Gambler said:
"zee crusher said:
"Gambler said:
"Thor no, Doom no
"
Well Gambler Doom has done it before even if he did use Green k. Superman won't be able to harm Thor. He might not be able to touch Thor. Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.

So Thor and Doom would crush superman.
"
Well Zee Superman beat Thor before. And Superman can move at 10times the speed of thought. But u knew that already.
"

He never beat Thor. I don't consider that a real fight since fans like you were able to vote on the winner. Superman Losing to Galactus who lost to Thor is considered a real fight because guess who voted?? Not the fans. Superman can't move 10 the speed of thought besides that being a bluff it was merely another version of superman.
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#24  Edited By The_Ghostshell

It was Red Son Superman who had the exact same powers. But whatever. I'm not going to waste my time with another Zee/Thor debate.

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#25  Edited By zee crusher
Static Shock said:
"zee crusher said:
"Well Gambler Doom has done it before even if he did use Green k. Superman won't be able to harm Thor. He might not be able to touch Thor. Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.

So Thor and Doom would crush superman.
"
*Static shakes his head in disagreement*
"
How can you disagree when both those things happened. Thor fought Hiemdall in the castle in a light speed fight. Even if he did run he still fought in  a light speed fight. He only ran because Hiemdall was holding him up from his real goal and he always holds him up every time he  comes to asgard.

Dr.Doom has done it. To deny it would merely mean you going by who you like more.
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Static Shock said:
"zee crusher said:
"Thor could do it."
Debatable.

zee crusher said:
"Squrriel girl could do it.

Dr.Doom could do it .
No....

"
Agreed
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zee crusher said:
"Static Shock said:
"zee crusher said:
"Well Gambler Doom has done it before even if he did use Green k. Superman won't be able to harm Thor. He might not be able to touch Thor. Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.

So Thor and Doom would crush superman.
"
*Static shakes his head in disagreement*
"
How can you disagree when both those things happened. Thor fought Hiemdall in the castle in a light speed fight. Even if he did run he still fought in  a light speed fight. He only ran because Hiemdall was holding him up from his real goal and he always holds him up every time he  comes to asgard.

Dr.Doom has done it. To deny it would merely mean you going by who you like more.
"
Heimdall is cannon fodder compared to Superman and the Sentry who is slower than Superman owned him before he could finish a spell so he has no chance against Supes unless he has prep.
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#28  Edited By Static Shock
zee crusher said:
"Dr.Doom has done it in some earlier comics. That was with prep however. Don't you guys realize if he can steal the Silver Surfers powers, Beyonders, Galactus, Odins powers Deflect hits from Thors hammer and human torches flames, as well as get rid of Ghost rider in one hit that Superman would be considered a joke in his eyes??
"
I doubt that comic was canon.

zee crusher said:
"He never beat Thor. I don't consider that a real fight since fans like you were able to vote on the winner. Superman Losing to Galactus who lost to Thor is considered a real fight because guess who voted?? Not the fans. Superman can't move 10 the speed of thought besides that being a bluff it was merely another version of superman."
JLA/Avengers was canon. So, it's valid even if people voted for it. Saying it doesn't count when it does is not helping you. Superman losing to Galactus isn't canon, even if no one voted. You're just saying that it doesn't count to make yourself feel better. You can't have everything your way. This isn't Burger King. LOL. And, Superman can move 10 times the speed of thought. Red Son Superman and the mainstream Superman have the same exact powers at the same exact power levels....

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#30  Edited By One-Above-You

Is Mr. Majestic really more powerful than Supes? Because here Captain Atom says Mr. Majestic is not as strong.

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#31  Edited By zee crusher
Vance Astro said:
"zee crusher said:
"Static Shock said:
"zee crusher said:
"Well Gambler Doom has done it before even if he did use Green k. Superman won't be able to harm Thor. He might not be able to touch Thor. Since Superman moving above the speed of sound to blitz some one is considered fast. Thor moving light speed during a fight superman would die in about ,5 seconds.

So Thor and Doom would crush superman.
"
*Static shakes his head in disagreement*
"
How can you disagree when both those things happened. Thor fought Hiemdall in the castle in a light speed fight. Even if he did run he still fought in  a light speed fight. He only ran because Hiemdall was holding him up from his real goal and he always holds him up every time he  comes to asgard.

Dr.Doom has done it. To deny it would merely mean you going by who you like more.
"
Heimdall is cannon fodder compared to Superman and the Sentry who is slower than Superman owned him before he could finish a spell so he has no chance against Supes unless he has prep."

Hiemdall has limitless power that he draws from the universe. More then eough to destroy a planet when he fought Thor when he was banned from Asgard.

Congraulations on admitting something true on sentry for once. I know it hurt but still you did it. When the hell did Sentry own Hiemdall? If your talking about How Sentry fought doom and simply ripped off his masked after they had been fighting the whole time and they all jumped in at once they your sadly mistaken. I don't now why you don't understand that doom they fought was fighting the whole time and every time Sentry attacked it was a sneak attack.

Why would you debate on Doom losing to superman when Superman has already lost to him?

Gambler said:
"It was Red Son Superman who had the exact same powers. But whatever. I'm not going to waste my time with another Zee/Thor debate.
"
Yeah but he never demonstrated it.
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#32  Edited By Static Shock
zee crusher said:
"How can you disagree when both those things happened. Thor fought Hiemdall in the castle in a light speed fight. Even if he did run he still fought in  a light speed fight. He only ran because Hiemdall was holding him up from his real goal and he always holds him up every time he  comes to asgard.

Dr.Doom has done it. To deny it would merely mean you going by who you like more.
"
Superman can move at light-speed too. And, they were fighting at light speed in Asgard, not on Earth. Thor wouldn't be able to move at light-speed on Earth, and his speed is restricted just like Superman's is. You can't sit here and tell me that Superman can't keep up. Also, Dr Doom fighting Superman isn't canon. That's why I disagree with it. It has nothing to do with who I like more. And, Doom couldn't react to Superman's speed to safe his life....
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#34  Edited By Static Shock
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"Is Mr. Majestic really more powerful than Supes? Because here Captain Atom says Mr. Majestic is not as strong.

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The writing for that comic was a bit inconsistent. Either that, or Majestic wasn't giving it his all. And, Captain Atom was powered down/written differently in this. Majestic has done things that the current Superman cannot do, such as move planets.
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#35  Edited By Static Shock
zee crusher said:
"Yeah but he never demonstrated it."
How do you know?
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#36  Edited By zee crusher
Static Shock said:
"zee crusher said:
"Dr.Doom has done it in some earlier comics. That was with prep however. Don't you guys realize if he can steal the Silver Surfers powers, Beyonders, Galactus, Odins powers Deflect hits from Thors hammer and human torches flames, as well as get rid of Ghost rider in one hit that Superman would be considered a joke in his eyes??
"
I doubt that comic was canon.

zee crusher said:
"He never beat Thor. I don't consider that a real fight since fans like you were able to vote on the winner. Superman Losing to Galactus who lost to Thor is considered a real fight because guess who voted?? Not the fans. Superman can't move 10 the speed of thought besides that being a bluff it was merely another version of superman."
JLA/Avengers was canon. So, it's valid even if people voted for it. Saying it doesn't count when it does is not helping you. Superman losing to Galactus isn't canon, even if no one voted. You're just saying that it doesn't count to make yourself feel better. You can't have everything your way. This isn't Burger King. LOL. And, Superman can move 10 times the speed of thought. Red Son Superman and the mainstream Superman have the same exact powers at the same exact power levels....

"

Wait listen to yourself and everybody one the site. Name one time superman has lost that some one has said it was cannon. Then name a fight he one the wasn't marked as not canon. Then look back at all this and notice how you guys are trying to make yourself feel better. You guys can't even put up a valid reason why I FANVOTED FIGHT is canon. When it sure as hell isn't. When its fanvoted means its by the fans not the writers.

Superman losing to galactus is very canon. He had the extra power added on and his speed which you guys constantly brag about what happened? He got pwned like never before out for three pages. Red sun only bluffed he never did the feat so its not real. If Thor said he was as fast as lighting and never did it you superman fanboys would never believe. But he proved it. When superman says something and doesn't do it since hes a superman it must be real right?

The comic with doom beat superman was very canon. Thats my point when he loses its not canon.
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#37  Edited By One-Above-You
Static Shock said:
"One-Above-You said:
"Is Mr. Majestic really more powerful than Supes? Because here Captain Atom says Mr. Majestic is not as strong.

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The writing for that comic was a bit inconsistent. Either that, or Majestic wasn't giving it his all. And, Captain Atom was powered down/written differently in this. Majestic has done things that the current Superman cannot do, such as move planets.
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Actually, I think Captain Atom was powered up in this one. He was able to kill Apollo without trying. This is probably why he thought Mr. Majestic was not as strong.

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#38  Edited By King_Saturn
LMMFAO

Damn  !  Apollo got his azz torched  !
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#39  Edited By zee crusher
Static Shock said:
"zee crusher said:
"Yeah but he never demonstrated it."
How do you know?
"
Well he never did it lol. What more can you add one to that??

Static Shock said:
"zee crusher said:
"How can you disagree when both those things happened. Thor fought Hiemdall in the castle in a light speed fight. Even if he did run he still fought in  a light speed fight. He only ran because Hiemdall was holding him up from his real goal and he always holds him up every time he  comes to asgard.

Dr.Doom has done it. To deny it would merely mean you going by who you like more.
"
Superman can move at light-speed too. And, they were fighting at light speed in Asgard, not on Earth. Thor wouldn't be able to move at light-speed on Earth, and his speed is restricted just like Superman's is. You can't sit here and tell me that Superman can't keep up. Also, Dr Doom fighting Superman isn't canon. That's why I disagree with it. It has nothing to do with who I like more. And, Doom couldn't react to Superman's speed to safe his life....
"

Thor can move faster then light speeds on earth. Superman choses not to because it takes way to much energy out of him to just achieve such speeds. Thor doesn't worry about that because he will likely fight light speed out side earth.

Thor fighting in asgard has nothing to do with his speed. There are only two people who are strongest in asgard thats loki, and some other guy who if you hit and touches the ground get stronger. Thor is the same on asgard as he is on earth.

I think superman can't keep up reason being I won't put logic into it. You guys sit here everyday and think superman wil beat Thor because you've seen him demonstrate lower end feats of speed then Thor. Still think he can win why can't I?

Dr.Doom won off of prep. I won't sit here an  lie and say it was random and he happen to have green k in his back pocket. Superman was dumb enough to fly into dooms home an lost thanks to green k and prep. Batman beat superman. Dr.Doom is smarter and stronger. So its safe to say doom could do it.
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Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?
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#41  Edited By Shaper

I've been Reading a lot of Ghost rider, lately. And I think he can beat Superman.

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#42  Edited By zee crusher
TheDrifter said:
"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast.
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I can =]

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#44  Edited By Shaper
King Saturn said:
"LMMFAO

Damn  !  Apollo got his azz torched  !
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MORE SCANS! MORE SCANS!
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zee crusher said:
"TheDrifter said:
"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast. "
What makes you think that "took him out"?
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Shaper said:
"I've been Reading a lot of Ghost rider, lately. And I think he can beat Superman."

Yeah, The revelations arc GR could do it but the recent GR not so much (Saying that without spoilers or anything)
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#47  Edited By Shaper
zee crusher said:
"TheDrifter said:
"Zee, in what comic did Doctor Doom take down Ghost Rider with one punch?"

It wasn't a punch rather a blast. "

Totally BS. Ghost Rider is only weak against other mystical attacks.
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#48  Edited By zee crusher
Shaper said:
"I've been Reading a lot of Ghost rider, lately. And I think he can beat Superman."

He can if he doesn't get hit from afar. But really what can superman do to him? If superman touches him he burns his skin ice doesn't have and effect on soulfire. So really superman would have to throw a building at him.
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#49  Edited By One-Above-You
Shaper said:
"King Saturn said:
"LMMFAO

Damn  !  Apollo got his azz torched  !
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MORE SCANS! MORE SCANS!
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#50  Edited By Shaper
TheDrifter said:
"Shaper said:
"I've been Reading a lot of Ghost rider, lately. And I think he can beat Superman."

Yeah, The revelations arc GR could do it but the recent GR not so much (Saying that without spoilers or anything)"

I've some of the comics after Revelations. Pm me on why, and we'll debate without giving out spoilers.