Who can beat Zoom

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#1  Edited By SeSAW

Alright its obvious lot of you think Zoom can't be beaten by many characters. So my question is who can beat Zoom? What would it take.

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#2  Edited By King_Saturn
An enraged 5th Dimensional Imp could beat him...

lol
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#3  Edited By claws

galactus
living tribunal
dr.strange if he could slow down time
beyonder
blackheart
spawn in full power

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LOL anybody else?

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#5  Edited By King_Saturn
Infinite Man and Time Trapper
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god

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I'd say...

  • Anyone with the Worlogog, Time Gem, or similar device.
  • Juggernaut or anyone else immune to physical damage - although it would be a stalemate until Zoom dies of old age.
  • Solaris, Ego, or anyone too big for Zoom to beat.
  • Kal Kent level and up.


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#8  Edited By SeSAW

King Saturn said:

"Infinite Man and Time Trapper
"


but Darkseid beat the hell out of infinite Man.

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#9  Edited By claws

spectre
doom might be able to if he had p;rep
surtur
trion juggernaut
idk about surfer or thor with odin force

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#10  Edited By AtPhantom

Spectre
Ion
Nabu
Time Trapper
Deadman

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#11  Edited By King_Saturn
SeSAW said:
"

King Saturn said:

"Infinite Man and Time Trapper
"


but Darkseid beat the hell out of infinite Man.

"
Indeed... but its the power that Infinite Man has... his ability to alter and manipulate Time on a large scale...

BTW - Darkseid beat the Time Trapper too
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#12  Edited By kaino12

hp doomsday.
phoenix of the white crown
kaino (after crom)
dr manhatten

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#13  Edited By Chaos Prime

Korvac.
The Runner (imo).
Black Flash.
Ion Kyle Rayner.
Too name but a few.
With prep.
Dr Strange.
Batman.
Mr Fantastic.
Forge.
List could be endless imo.


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Nobody, apparently Zoom is unbeatable, even though he was one shotted by what's her face he can't be beatean by anyone.

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#15  Edited By King_Saturn
Bugs Bunny
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#16  Edited By Simon Williams

Sentry
Void
Professor X
Juggernaut
War Hulk
Mindless Hulk
WWH HUlk
Silver Surfer

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#17  Edited By kaino12
Simon Williams said:
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Void
Professor X
Juggernaut
War Hulk
Mindless Hulk
WWH HUlk
Silver Surfer
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hey i like marvel alot too and i suport that in the marvel u things would be alot differnt but zoom's back story holds up even there and he'd be unbeatable there too. also why did u put sentery and not gladiator?
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#18  Edited By Phones

Wolverine with PIS

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#19  Edited By Vrakmul

Bring in yog-sothoth.   Time turns to silly putty and then yog sothoth winks zoom out of existence.

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#20  Edited By Phones

Spiderman with PiS

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#21  Edited By Vrakmul
Phones said:
"Spiderman with PiS
"
Anyone with PIS can beat anyone.
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#22  Edited By Zoom

Zoom is so powerful for two reasons.

1) He's damn fast so he can usually hit you first and hard.  Most people can't stand up to a million superman level punches in under a second.

2) He's damn fast so usually, the other guy can't hit him.  He's too fast for even the Flash, which makes him too fast for anybody to fight in a purely physical way, even if they are incredibly fast in their own right.

How do you beat him?  Well you counter those things. 

Physical invulnerability (either Juggernaut style or Deadman style or Ghost Rider style should work fine) is the best way to counter the first problem.  "Can't touch this" defensive powers like Chunk's or Mano's can potentially make him beat himself too, if he doesn't know about the character.  Keep in mind, Zoom is a criminal profiler and an ex-member of Alex Luthor's Society which means he knows most DC heroes and villains.

To counter that second one, you need something that doesn't require aim.  Telepathic attacks and reality warping come to mind first.

Problem is, there aren't a whole heck of a lot of characters that are both physically invulnerable and have telepathic attacks.  Reality warpers are your best bet.

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#23  Edited By Vrakmul

Or you can use a time manipulator to negate his abilities.

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#24  Edited By claws

is ghostrider immune to physical damage if so then he could possibly beat him

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#25  Edited By kaino12
Zoom said:
"Zoom is so powerful for two reasons.

1) He's damn fast so he can usually hit you first and hard.  Most people can't stand up to a million superman level punches in under a second.

2) He's damn fast so usually, the other guy can't hit him.  He's too fast for even the Flash, which makes him too fast for anybody to fight in a purely physical way, even if they are incredibly fast in their own right.

How do you beat him?  Well you counter those things. 

Physical invulnerability (either Juggernaut style or Deadman style or Ghost Rider style should work fine) is the best way to counter the first problem.  "Can't touch this" defensive powers like Chunk's or Mano's can potentially make him beat himself too, if he doesn't know about the character.  Keep in mind, Zoom is a criminal profiler and an ex-member of Alex Luthor's Society which means he knows most DC heroes and villains.

To counter that second one, you need something that doesn't require aim.  Telepathic attacks and reality warping come to mind first.

Problem is, there aren't a whole heck of a lot of characters that are both physically invulnerable and have telepathic attacks.  Reality warpers are your best bet."
the form of juggernaut where proffessor x got the crystal should do it.
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#26  Edited By Vrakmul

Get anyone who is a master of time or space manipulation.  *because they are one and the same manipulation of one translates into manipulation of another*

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#27  Edited By Zoom
Dreadnaught said:
"Or you can use a time manipulator to negate his abilities.
"
That falls into number two...maybe.

You still have to stand up to his attack first.

claws said:
"is ghostrider immune to physical damage if so then he could possibly beat him"
He heals instantly, even from decapitation or dismemberment.  He's also got a "can't touch this" hellfire thing going on.  Its possible for him to beat Zoom.  Its also possible Zoom will figure out his shtick too quickly and it'll turn into a draw.  Course, Zoom can BFR him if you allow that crap.

kaino12 said:
"the form of juggernaut where proffessor x got the crystal should do it."
True.  That story did suck though.  Xavier makes a horrible Juggernaut.
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#28  Edited By kaino12
kaino12 said:
"the form of juggernaut where proffessor x got the crystal should do it."
True.  That story did suck though.  Xavier makes a horrible Juggernaut.

ya he did.
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#29  Edited By claws

well the op didnt say anything about there are BFR's or not

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Unus the Untouchable

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#31  Edited By kaino12
Secret Turchin Man said:
"Unus the Untouchable"

intill he kills himself.
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Secret Turchin Man said:
"Unus the Untouchable"
Forgot about Unus.
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#34  Edited By Vrakmul
Zoom said:
"Dreadnaught said:
"Or you can use a time manipulator to negate his abilities.
"
That falls into number two...maybe.

You still have to stand up to his attack first.

claws said:
"is ghostrider immune to physical damage if so then he could possibly beat him"
He heals instantly, even from decapitation or dismemberment.  He's also got a "can't touch this" hellfire thing going on.  Its possible for him to beat Zoom.  Its also possible Zoom will figure out his shtick too quickly and it'll turn into a draw.  Course, Zoom can BFR him if you allow that crap.

kaino12 said:
"the form of juggernaut where proffessor x got the crystal should do it."
True.  That story did suck though.  Xavier makes a horrible Juggernaut.
"
Aren't time manipulators capable of reacting as fast as they want by definition?
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#35  Edited By Simon Williams
kaino12 said:
"Simon Williams said:
"Sentry
Void
Professor X
Juggernaut
War Hulk
Mindless Hulk
WWH HUlk
Silver Surfer
"
hey i like marvel alot too and i suport that in the marvel u things would be alot differnt but zoom's back story holds up even there and he'd be unbeatable there too. also why did u put sentery and not gladiator?
"
I forgot about him, there is many marvel people who can beat him.
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#36  Edited By kaino12
Simon Williams said:
"kaino12 said:
"Simon Williams said:
"Sentry
Void
Professor X
Juggernaut
War Hulk
Mindless Hulk
WWH HUlk
Silver Surfer
"
hey i like marvel alot too and i suport that in the marvel u things would be alot differnt but zoom's back story holds up even there and he'd be unbeatable there too. also why did u put sentery and not gladiator?
"
I forgot about him, there is many marvel people who can beat him.
"

only reality warpers.
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#37  Edited By Vrakmul
Simon Williams said:
"kaino12 said:
"Simon Williams said:
"Sentry
Void
Professor X
Juggernaut
War Hulk
Mindless Hulk
WWH HUlk
Silver Surfer
"
hey i like marvel alot too and i suport that in the marvel u things would be alot differnt but zoom's back story holds up even there and he'd be unbeatable there too. also why did u put sentery and not gladiator?
"
I forgot about him, there is many marvel people who can beat him.
"
You mean there are many marvel characters that are capable of beating him. 

Please, the comic vine does not tolerate those with the grammar level of a five year old.
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#38  Edited By kaino12
Dreadnaught said:
"Simon Williams said:
"kaino12 said:
"Simon Williams said:
"Sentry
Void
Professor X
Juggernaut
War Hulk
Mindless Hulk
WWH HUlk
Silver Surfer
"
hey i like marvel alot too and i suport that in the marvel u things would be alot differnt but zoom's back story holds up even there and he'd be unbeatable there too. also why did u put sentery and not gladiator?
"
I forgot about him, there is many marvel people who can beat him.
"
You mean there are many marvel characters that are capable of beating him. 

Please, the comic vine does not tolerate those with the grammar level of a five year old.
"
they bearly tolerate me and many of them hate me.
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#39  Edited By Vrakmul
kaino12 said:
"Dreadnaught said:
"Simon Williams said:
"kaino12 said:
"Simon Williams said:
"Sentry
Void
Professor X
Juggernaut
War Hulk
Mindless Hulk
WWH HUlk
Silver Surfer
"
hey i like marvel alot too and i suport that in the marvel u things would be alot differnt but zoom's back story holds up even there and he'd be unbeatable there too. also why did u put sentery and not gladiator?
"
I forgot about him, there is many marvel people who can beat him.
"
You mean there are many marvel characters that are capable of beating him. 

Please, the comic vine does not tolerate those with the grammar level of a five year old.
"
they bearly tolerate me and many of them hate me.
"
Your issue is with both grammar, and spelling.
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#40  Edited By kaino12
Dreadnaught said:
"kaino12 said:
"Dreadnaught said:
"Simon Williams said:
"kaino12 said:
"Simon Williams said:
"Sentry
Void
Professor X
Juggernaut
War Hulk
Mindless Hulk
WWH HUlk
Silver Surfer
"
hey i like marvel alot too and i suport that in the marvel u things would be alot differnt but zoom's back story holds up even there and he'd be unbeatable there too. also why did u put sentery and not gladiator?
"
I forgot about him, there is many marvel people who can beat him.
"
You mean there are many marvel characters that are capable of beating him. 

Please, the comic vine does not tolerate those with the grammar level of a five year old.
"
they bearly tolerate me and many of them hate me.
"
Your issue is with both grammar, and spelling.
"
hey i write like i talk with bad grammer and little to no puncuation. but i actualy have imaculent diction so when i talk u know what im saying.
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#41  Edited By Simon Williams
Dreadnaught said:
"Simon Williams said:
"kaino12 said:
"Simon Williams said:
"Sentry
Void
Professor X
Juggernaut
War Hulk
Mindless Hulk
WWH HUlk
Silver Surfer
"
hey i like marvel alot too and i suport that in the marvel u things would be alot differnt but zoom's back story holds up even there and he'd be unbeatable there too. also why did u put sentery and not gladiator?
"
I forgot about him, there is many marvel people who can beat him.
"
You mean there are many marvel characters that are capable of beating him. 

Please, the comic vine does not tolerate those with the grammar level of a five year old.
"
Seriously did I dump you in the Past, because You annoy and bug me nonstop.
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#42  Edited By Vrakmul
Simon Williams said:
"Dreadnaught said:
"Simon Williams said:
"kaino12 said:
"Simon Williams said:
"Sentry
Void
Professor X
Juggernaut
War Hulk
Mindless Hulk
WWH HUlk
Silver Surfer
"
hey i like marvel alot too and i suport that in the marvel u things would be alot differnt but zoom's back story holds up even there and he'd be unbeatable there too. also why did u put sentery and not gladiator?
"
I forgot about him, there is many marvel people who can beat him.
"
You mean there are many marvel characters that are capable of beating him. 

Please, the comic vine does not tolerate those with the grammar level of a five year old.
"
Seriously did I dump you in the Past, because You annoy and bug me nonstop.
"
No now instead of being mean to people with less than 1,000 posts, I'm mean to anyone with less than 10,000 unless they earn my respect.

You, probably will never end up gaining mine, mainly due to your near complete lack of sentence structure.
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#43  Edited By Simon Williams
Dreadnaught said:
"Simon Williams said:
"Dreadnaught said:
"Simon Williams said:
"kaino12 said:
"Simon Williams said:
"Sentry
Void
Professor X
Juggernaut
War Hulk
Mindless Hulk
WWH HUlk
Silver Surfer
"
hey i like marvel alot too and i suport that in the marvel u things would be alot differnt but zoom's back story holds up even there and he'd be unbeatable there too. also why did u put sentery and not gladiator?
"
I forgot about him, there is many marvel people who can beat him.
"
You mean there are many marvel characters that are capable of beating him. 

Please, the comic vine does not tolerate those with the grammar level of a five year old.
"
Seriously did I dump you in the Past, because You annoy and bug me nonstop.
"
No now instead of being mean to people with less than 1,000 posts, I'm mean to anyone with less than 10,000 unless they earn my respect.

You, probably will never end up gaining mine, mainly due to your near complete lack of sentence structure.
"
I definitely dumped you in the Past. I don;t need your Respect, I don't need anything from You.
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#44  Edited By SeSAW
King Saturn said:
"SeSAW said:
"

King Saturn said:

"Infinite Man and Time Trapper
"


but Darkseid beat the hell out of infinite Man.

"
Indeed... but its the power that Infinite Man has... his ability to alter and manipulate Time on a large scale...

BTW - Darkseid beat the Time Trapper too
"

True but that power didn't work on DS he was too powerful, Time Trappers didn't either which is why i say Zooms power probably wont even work on DS.
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#45  Edited By Vrakmul
Simon Williams said:
"Dreadnaught said:
"Simon Williams said:
"Dreadnaught said:
"Simon Williams said:
"kaino12 said:
"Simon Williams said:
"Sentry
Void
Professor X
Juggernaut
War Hulk
Mindless Hulk
WWH HUlk
Silver Surfer
"
hey i like marvel alot too and i suport that in the marvel u things would be alot differnt but zoom's back story holds up even there and he'd be unbeatable there too. also why did u put sentery and not gladiator?
"
I forgot about him, there is many marvel people who can beat him.
"
You mean there are many marvel characters that are capable of beating him. 

Please, the comic vine does not tolerate those with the grammar level of a five year old.
"
Seriously did I dump you in the Past, because You annoy and bug me nonstop.
"
No now instead of being mean to people with less than 1,000 posts, I'm mean to anyone with less than 10,000 unless they earn my respect.

You, probably will never end up gaining mine, mainly due to your near complete lack of sentence structure.
"
I definitely dumped you in the Past. I don;t need your Respect, I don't need anything from You.
"
I probably never lived anywhere near you.  But I'll let you keep your odd little fantasy.
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#46  Edited By Strafe Prower

I think Iceman could beat him.

Would Density control, or Gravity control do it?

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#47  Edited By King_Saturn
SeSAW said:
"King Saturn said:
"SeSAW said:
"

King Saturn said:

"Infinite Man and Time Trapper
"


but Darkseid beat the hell out of infinite Man.

"
Indeed... but its the power that Infinite Man has... his ability to alter and manipulate Time on a large scale...

BTW - Darkseid beat the Time Trapper too
"

True but that power didn't work on DS he was too powerful, Time Trappers didn't either which is why i say Zooms power probably wont even work on DS."
Here is the thing though...Zoom uses his Time Manipulation powers for specifically Speed and Fighting purposes within a battle... where as the Time Trapper and Infinite Man seemed to use there Time Manipulation powers for Reality Warping like purposes... but also keep in mind I believe it was Pre Crisis Darkseid that beat Time Trapper and Infinite Man... not the Post Crisis version... and based on the principle of Zoom's use of Time Manipulation of Super Speed purposes... I cant see Darkseid actually hitting Zoom
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#48  Edited By claws
Strafe Prower said:
"I think Iceman could beat him.

Would Density control, or Gravity control do it?"

well speed is really no good without gravity
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#49  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator

Raisin Bran.

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#50  Edited By Strafe Prower
claws said:
"Strafe Prower said:
"I think Iceman could beat him.

Would Density control, or Gravity control do it?"

well speed is really no good without gravity"

thats what i was thinking. There are some earth heros with that, but i'm not sure and i don't want to make others jump down my throught.