Who can beat Vader in a fair fight?

Who do you think can defeat Vader in a fair fight? Let's say that the fight takes place in the arena on Geonosis, no obstacles, no way that one person can gain an environmental advantage. Just straight Force powers and sabers. Can you name 10 characters who would defeat Vader in a fair fight for the majority? Excluding Sidious, GM Luke, and Valkorian.

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IMO:

Krayt

Revan

Tenebrous

Caedus

Anakin

Exar Kun

Shimrra

And in not so fair fights:

Yoda

UnuThul

Plagueis

Nyax

Not Obiwan apparently.

Batman.

Revan

Krayt

Kun

Bane

Yoda

Plagueis

Zannah

Jax Pavan

Arcann

Caedus

Yoda is tied with sidious, wich is slightly more powerful than vader, thats makes yoda also slightly more powerful than vader, i think

Conan.

Revan

Krayt

Exar Kun

Caedus

Plagueis

Darish Vol

Anakun Skywalker (possibly)

Shimmra

There are a few others I can't name off the top of my head though.

There're plenty who could beat Darth Vader... and Anakin's probably not one of them.

Wow, people throwing the Vong in the mix. I like it!

A nice amount of people( if we exclude Yoda tier force users):

Nyax, UnuThul, Tenebrous, Caedus, Revan etc.

Kun and Krayt tie with him. So they could "potentially" beat him for a majority. Others as well, I am probably missing out some names here.

• Revan
• Caedus
• Exar Kun
• Plagueis
• Krayt
• Vaylin
• Taalon
• Tenebrous
• Maybe Mace Windu
• Maybe Arcann

Plagueis, Yoda, Caedus, and Tenebrous for sure. Everything else is debatable or not at all.

Yoda, Darth Plagueis, Darth Tenebrous, Darth Ramage, Darth Gean, Darth Gravid, Darth Vectivus, Darth Cognus, Darth Zannah, Darth Bane, Darth Caedus, Exar Kun, and Revan all come to mind.

Quite a few people. I will say Revan Reborn for now

Rick Sanchez riggity riggity wrrrrecks him! lol

Yoda, Sidious, Plagueis, Luke, Valkorion and then perhaps Tenebrous, Revan or Caedus.

Like...a lot of people actually.....

Plagueis.

The Father.

The Daughter.

The Son.

Abeloth.

Post-Pool Taalon.

Tilotny (SHE CASTS SHAPE).

Horliss-Horliss

Cold Danda Sine.

Splendid Ap.

@themuser: Specifics?!

@nfactor1995:Allow me to pull some names from some other lists....

Revan

Caedus

Exar Kun

Plagueis

Taalon

Tenebrous

Yoda

Darth Ramage,

Darth Gean,

Darth Gravid,

Darth Vectivus,

The Father.

The Daughter.

The Son.

Abeloth.

Those who spank Vader:

- Yoda

- Darth Plageuis

- Darth Caedus

Those who beat him solidly:

- Revan

- Exar Kun

- Darth Krayt

- Darth Tenebrous

- Anakin Skywalker

- Darth Nihilus

- Soa

Probably many other people, tbh.

@jeditraining101: Jax Pavan...JAX PAVAN. The same Jax Pavan who was casually ragdolled by Vader, the same Jax who knew the only way to "win" a fight against Vader was to suicide and kill them both, the same Jax who Force blasted a DISTRACTED Darth Vader and only managed to stagger the Sith a little. I love me some Jax Pavan but man he gets destroyed by Vader in a fair fight

Goku

@echostarlord117: Well in the movies was it basicly Annakin who killed Vader XD.

Love for his son.

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@bigsambino87:

for a majority?

Caedus, Valk, Plagueis, likely a few other banite sith

Tenebrous, Plagueis, Caedus, Revan, Krayt, Yoda, Sheev, Luke, Shimrra, UnuThul, Valkorion, and all of the trans-dimensional, OP entities, or living planets.

Not counting Luke, Palpatine, Valkorion, and any of the force entities:

Yoda, Plagueis, Krayt, Revan, potentially Caedus. There are probably some more, but that's all I can come up with at the top of my head.

Revan and Arcann are two that come to mind and Maybe Thexan, Vaylin, and Darth Jadus.

People who will beat Vader for sure: Yoda, the Father, the Son, the Daughter,

People who could get some rounds against him(at least, imo): Mace, Dooku, Maul, Anakin, ROTJ Luke, Plagueis

Samurai Jack

Yoda

Mace Windu

Anakin Skywalker

Many siths

Darth Plagueis

Darth Sidious

Darth Caedus

Luke, extended universe

In fact I think that in the end, Darth Vader is just a Normal fish in a tiny pond.

Excluding the three you mentioned:

• Yoda
• Darish Vol
• Sarasu Taalon
• Viun Gaalan
• Olaris Rhea
• Ivaar Workan
• Darth Plagueis
• Darth Krayt
• Revan
• Darth Caedus
• Mace Windu
• Darth Tenebrous (arguably)
• Darth Nihilus (arguably)
• Non Jedi/Sith like UnuThul, Lord Nyax, Gethzerion, etc.
• Entities like the Bedlam Spirits, the Father, Son, and Daughter, Abeloth, the Force Priestesses, Waru, etc.

@necromancer76: how are gethzerion,revan,nihilus,tenebrous,mace or either the majority of the lost tribe of the sith members with the possible exception of taalon or vol winning against vader?

Yoda

Mace Windu

Darth Zannah, if her spell affects him

Darth Sidious

@el_mago:

-Gethzerion and the other members of the Lost all contended with GM Luke who would delete Vader

-Revan has the best precognition in the verse, is arguably the most durable Jedi/Sith in the verse, astronomically surpasses Vader in most force areas including TP, and has far too many abilities at his disposal to even allow Vader to engage him in a lightsaber duel

-Mace because of his performance against Sidious and his parity to Yoda. Plus, Vapaad would work on Vader

-Tenebrous arguably due to Banite scaling, how close he is to Plagueis in sabers and force power, and force lightning to fry Vader

-Nihilus arguably if he can unleash force drain on Vader before he reaches him, although if I had to pick I would choose Vader over Nihilus

vader is inmune to drain,but yes i would also choose him over nihilus.

@el_mago:

-A post ROTJ Luke who was still a match for Vader, even taking account emotional circumstances of the fight. Additionally, she's put on a similar tier as pre-DE Sidious twice, both by him fearing her and by her superiority to Talzin. She also has force feats on the same tier as Vitiate, except she doesn't require prep to perform them

-Except he doesn't? All he has is a sabers advantage, which doesn't matter if he can't touch Revan. Scaling alone doesn't save Vader when Revan's force feats explicitly outstrip his

-Sheev threw the fight at the end. He was trying the entire time he and Windu were fighting prior to Anakin's arrival. And I don't see how Windu having difficulty with Legends Grievous is a bad feat

-Close enough to be a match for Vader since Plagueis is significantly above him. Tenebrous having a speed advantage and lightning puts Vader at risk. Like I said tho, I could see Vader being just barely above Tenebrous

-I agree

@el_mago:

-I highly doubt any of those statements take into account the existence of Gethzerion. If those statements did account for her, then it appears we're at an impasse regarding scaling. So it would come down to feats for the most part. Naturally, she has no dueling abilities but she can create Vitiate-level force storms with relative ease, something that Vader can't really replicate.

-Which one? They've both debated Vader vs Revan countless times and both maintain their original stances. I'm inclined to lean towards the one with greater feats.

-Vader being the best Jedi killer of his era is no great feat, considering the fact that his competition is his own Inquisitors. Dooku is a fair point to bring up, but Dooku and Vader are already in the same dueling tier, which would ultimately place Grievous there as well.

-Can we? What gives Vader the edge over Tenebrous in a combat scenario?

Palpatine, Yoda, the Mortis gods, possibly the Bendu, and maybe all jedi Rey

John Cena

Undertaker

The Fiend

Bret Hart

Super Giant Ninja

Glacier

Pentagon Jr

Rey Fenix.

@alextheboss:

and maybe all jedi Rey

Maybe?

@eredin12: She is stronger than him, but if she tries to engage in a saber battle she may still lose due to her lack of skill.

@alextheboss: That is fair