Who do you think can defeat Vader in a fair fight? Let's say that the fight takes place in the arena on Geonosis, no obstacles, no way that one person can gain an environmental advantage. Just straight Force powers and sabers. Can you name 10 characters who would defeat Vader in a fair fight for the majority? Excluding Sidious, GM Luke, and Valkorian.
@jeditraining101: Jax Pavan...JAX PAVAN. The same Jax Pavan who was casually ragdolled by Vader, the same Jax who knew the only way to "win" a fight against Vader was to suicide and kill them both, the same Jax who Force blasted a DISTRACTED Darth Vader and only managed to stagger the Sith a little. I love me some Jax Pavan but man he gets destroyed by Vader in a fair fight
Tenebrous, Plagueis, Caedus, Revan, Krayt, Yoda, Sheev, Luke, Shimrra, UnuThul, Valkorion, and all of the trans-dimensional, OP entities, or living planets.
@necromancer76: how are gethzerion,revan,nihilus,tenebrous,mace or either the majority of the lost tribe of the sith members with the possible exception of taalon or vol winning against vader?
-Gethzerion and the other members of the Lost all contended with GM Luke who would delete Vader
-Revan has the best precognition in the verse, is arguably the most durable Jedi/Sith in the verse, astronomically surpasses Vader in most force areas including TP, and has far too many abilities at his disposal to even allow Vader to engage him in a lightsaber duel
-Mace because of his performance against Sidious and his parity to Yoda. Plus, Vapaad would work on Vader
-Tenebrous arguably due to Banite scaling, how close he is to Plagueis in sabers and force power, and force lightning to fry Vader
-Nihilus arguably if he can unleash force drain on Vader before he reaches him, although if I had to pick I would choose Vader over Nihilus
-Gethzerion and the other members of the Lost all contended with GM Luke who would delete Vader
gethzerion matched a rotj luke not the prime one, the lost tribe of the sith on the other hand must of his feats are taken too out of context without mentioning that during that timeframe luke jobbs too much.
-Revan has the best precognition in the verse, is arguably the most durable Jedi/Sith in the verse, astronomically surpasses Vader in most force areas including TP, and has far too many abilities at his disposal to even allow Vader to engage him in a lightsaber duel
vader have also that on a greater scale including not only scaling but also some feats and have better lightsaber abilities
-Mace because of his performance against Sidious and his parity to Yoda. Plus, Vapaad would work on Vader
besides that feat the novel clearly depicts sidious to throw out the fight i dont see how windu can take vader especially considering someone like grievous was able to stalemate him and we got the kar vastor scaling in his favour
-A post ROTJ Luke who was still a match for Vader, even taking account emotional circumstances of the fight. Additionally, she's put on a similar tier as pre-DE Sidious twice, both by him fearing her and by her superiority to Talzin. She also has force feats on the same tier as Vitiate, except she doesn't require prep to perform them
-Except he doesn't? All he has is a sabers advantage, which doesn't matter if he can't touch Revan. Scaling alone doesn't save Vader when Revan's force feats explicitly outstrip his
-Sheev threw the fight at the end. He was trying the entire time he and Windu were fighting prior to Anakin's arrival. And I don't see how Windu having difficulty with Legends Grievous is a bad feat
-Close enough to be a match for Vader since Plagueis is significantly above him. Tenebrous having a speed advantage and lightning puts Vader at risk. Like I said tho, I could see Vader being just barely above Tenebrous
-A post ROTJ Luke who was still a match for Vader, even taking account emotional circumstances of the fight. Additionally, she's put on a similar tier as pre-DE Sidious twice, both by him fearing her and by her superiority to Talzin. She also has force feats on the same tier as Vitiate, except she doesn't require prep to perform them
vader have quotes of him being above geth even before reaching his prime:
In his distinctive black armor, Vader is an imposing figure. In the entire galaxy, he is second in power only to the Emperor himself.
-- Insider 65
By the time the Emperor assigns him to assist Grand Moff Tarkin in the construction of the Death Star battle station, Vader is the deadliest warrior of his generation, shielded by imposing armor, steeled by countless combats, and empowered by the dark side of the Force.” - Star Wars Roleplaying Game: Revised Core Rulebook.
For the first time he could remember, the dark side had no answer. And a great surge of unfamiliar emotion suddenly washed over him. Darth Vader, the Dark Lord of the Sith's apprentice, one of the two most powerful beings in the galaxy, was afraid.” - Death Star.
“Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith, has instilled terror throughout the galaxy since the beginning of the Empire. His devotion to the Emperor and mastery of the dark side gives him more power than any single individual in the galaxy except for the Emperor himself.” - Shadows of the Empire: Prince Xizor vs Darth Vader Action Figure.
-Except he doesn't? All he has is a sabers advantage, which doesn't matter if he can't touch Revan. Scaling alone doesn't save Vader when Revan's force feats explicitly outstrip his
watched the debate of azronger and ant to further empathized vader is superiority
-Sheev threw the fight at the end. He was trying the entire time he and Windu were fighting prior to Anakin's arrival. And I don't see how Windu having difficulty with Legends Grievous is a bad feat
its not a bad feat however the fact that someone like grievous was able to match him and nearly depicting a small advantage against the jedi master collaborates even more a gap between the characters if we take this feat along with the scaling of vader being the most dangerous and powerful jedi killer of his era and the kar vastor/dooku scaling vader have much better opportunities to win
-Close enough to be a match for Vader since Plagueis is significantly above him. Tenebrous having a speed advantage and lightning puts Vader at risk. Like I said tho, I could see Vader being just barely above Tenebrous
well we can agree of vader being above tenebrous and nihilus then.
-I highly doubt any of those statements take into account the existence of Gethzerion. If those statements did account for her, then it appears we're at an impasse regarding scaling. So it would come down to feats for the most part. Naturally, she has no dueling abilities but she can create Vitiate-level force storms with relative ease, something that Vader can't really replicate.
-Which one? They've both debated Vader vs Revan countless times and both maintain their original stances. I'm inclined to lean towards the one with greater feats.
-Vader being the best Jedi killer of his era is no great feat, considering the fact that his competition is his own Inquisitors. Dooku is a fair point to bring up, but Dooku and Vader are already in the same dueling tier, which would ultimately place Grievous there as well.
-Can we? What gives Vader the edge over Tenebrous in a combat scenario?
-I highly doubt any of those statements take into account the existence of Gethzerion. If those statements did account for her, then it appears we're at an impasse regarding scaling. So it would come down to feats for the most part. Naturally, she has no dueling abilities but she can create Vitiate-level force storms with relative ease, something that Vader can't really replicate.
yes they did take into consideration the character mainly becuase all of them are lfl licensing sources without mentioning that the majority of them come from 2000-2012,vader knows how to make force storms too however he dont use it becuase of the limitations the suit have.
-Which one? They've both debated Vader vs Revan countless times and both maintain their original stances. I'm inclined to lean towards the one with greater feats.
the cav one
-Vader being the best Jedi killer of his era is no great feat, considering the fact that his competition is his own Inquisitors. Dooku is a fair point to bring up, but Dooku and Vader are already in the same dueling tier, which would ultimately place Grievous there as well.
yes it is a great feat becuase it especify he is the most powerful of all jedi hunters this will put him above the likes of grievous,tulak hord,darth bandon,the inquisitors,sion and many more to mention secondly and more importantly vader is way beyond dooku in lightsaber abilities this is further proven by the fact he defeated the count when he was anakin if someone like him can do it vader can replicate it too.
-Can we? What gives Vader the edge over Tenebrous in a combat scenario? tactical skill and mastery of all lightsaber forms.
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