Who can beat Lord Beerus?

Not fast at all, but very durable.

@speedster101:

Take notes from DBZ fans who don't give it a bad rap like imperfect cell

Aww, you sure do know how to make an eight foot tall cicada monster blush.

Beerus is not beating either Thanos or Odin. I do agree that Beerus is MFTL (blitzed through 9 planets under a second) and is physically stronger than most non-abstract characters. However he's still too slow for Flash, Zoom and Surfer

@princearagorn1: Have you seen Revival of F? Beerus blows are absurdly strong. If 1000s of punches per second each capable of blowing up like 100 planents with physical force alone isnt capable of damaging Thanos i will be surprised. But yes he is a Galaxy buster as stated in newest movie by Whis

@micah: To avoid spoilers it is stated by Whis, but as for shown ask me that in MSG so i dont ruin it for anyone.

@overwarrior: Okay. Will do.

@micah:

"Come on now are we to assume every statement is a lie?"

No. Statements need some basis to stand on. You're trying to argue bills is a galaxy buster when the best feat the series has is less than a hundred billionth of that level. If goku says 'the blast can blow up a star!' That's a valid statement. Because that's within range of power they have shown.

"That's not the point. Point is what reason would the "Gods" in DBZ have to lie about their capabilities."

1. The issue is with use of word 'Gods' to validate anything at all.

2. What reason does the vulture have when he claims 'I can do anything?' Or when hulk claims he's the strongest one there is?

3. Whatever that reason is, it's irrelevant. What matters is its vastly out of league of their performance. Basically like blowing a candle and claiming one can blow out the sun as well.

"So if Whis states Beerus is capable of destroying the Universe at max then why wouldn't we believe him?"

1...because of every showing the series ever had.

2. Whis said solar system actually. It was king kai who said galaxy will be destroyed. Coming from a guy weaker than nappa.. that's a shaky source.

"Yes but the point is you used Sentry as an example. A character with multiple angles to consider when using statements when it comes to him."

There's no reason to use double standards against sentry. Abd if you have issue with sentry, odin is said to be omnipotent as well.

"When was he tired? If anything he had a bracing workout for the first time in decades lol."

The end, he says he's exhausted and destroys a small rock.

"Also you've heard of Ki control and potency. A casual unrestrained shot from Nappa was capable of wiping a city off the map, yet a bloodlusted concentrated strike barely exploded 20 feet. And that's just one example."

Yes, and allowing scaling potency off previous feats, their fight was nowhere near a billionth of galaxy level.

"But really this is beside the point, Beerus was heavily suppressed through the whole fight and was slowly ramping up his output so that Goku could actually fight him."

Over 50 percent is in no shape or form 'heavily suppressed'.

"Your still missing the point. Your acting as though statements in DBZ aren't credible at all."

This is about any statement in general. Statements are credible when backed by showings in the same range.

"Let me tell you something brother (lol) Cell is a solar system buster...............and you wanna know why? It's because the claim has been backed up by numerous secondary CANON guidebooks and author statements as well."

...yes, I know. The statement is made solid by bills recently topping the said feat by destroying two stars.

"If a writer chooses to expand his characters power in the form of statements then that's his excuse for him not having Beerus destroy a random galaxy so people can argue about it online. I'm waiting for confirmation from@overwarrior so I have the full details, but if the statement was legit then Beerus at max is a galaxy buster."

That's a excuse you're making, actually. Akira showed bills can destroy two stars, so that's what we go off.

"Further adding to my case is the fact that DBZ characters can read the Ki output of each other to see how strong a blast is. So most of the time if they say the planet is getting busted then that's what's going to happen."

Yes, and no issue with them planet busting or star busting. However, they're completely oblivious of galaxy level, since that level is beyond the wildest dreams of anything they have done to date.

@overwarrior:

"Have you seen Revival of F? Beerus blows are absurdly strong."

Yes. Mind telling me what he did in either of the movies that makes his blows so strong?

"If 1000s of punches per second each capable of blowing up like 100 planents with physical force alone isnt capable of damaging Thanos i will be surprised."

1. That's not an issue, considering bills is not strong enough to do any of it in the first place

2. Considering he has shrugged of everything surfer can dish out, yes, he'll outlast bills.

"But yes he is a Galaxy buster as stated in newest movie by Whis"

Ah, that solves the whole issue. Hulk is the strongest one there is, so bills is weaker than him. As thanos beat hulk, bills has no chance at all.

@d3athstroke: Heh. I have no idea. I just found the image on google, and I liked it.

@imperfect_cell: Hahaha...

@princearagorn1: Even though you don't think Beerus can destroy galaxies, you think Thanos will be able to tank star-level+ blasts all day long?

@imperfect_cell: Dunno, it depends how quickly he resorts to molecule manipulation and telepathy. Beerus probably wins with difficulty.

Watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOS63Ng2PXc i can see why people think dbz characters are overrated. Unless we mean no bfr. Thanos could just destroy every planet they fight on and be done with it.

I'm happy with how this thread is civil and i didn't have to limit the characters to manga/anime.

The userbase has evolved indeed :)

Kirby would beat Billis 10/10

@imperfect_cell: Thanos will rek Beerus with ease. Dont let your fanboyness get in the way of facts. If he gets Heart of the Universe it will be a curbstomp. He dominated Galactus with that.

I dont want anyone replying to me for this. DO NOT REPLY PLEASE.

Superman

Thanos

Jean Grey with Phoenix Force (not even with full power so she is not completely omnipotent)

Scarlett Witch not sure bout it but possibly.

@helixflameyt: hi

How powerful is Thanos with out the IG

Unless he uses hax I'm not sure he can handle Beerus in h2h. It would take a causal galaxy buster to take Beerus down. Superman Thor or wonder woman level characters would get thier asses

kicked.

@gokuss4z: Where are you getting this galaxy busting from?. Also yes he has hax.

Beerus doesn't have galaxy level durability lol. I am a DBZ fan but wanking is really silly

@i_am_lightning: spider-man

@jesusthesefanboys: I'm not saying Beerus is a causal galaxy buster I'm saying it would probably take someone with that kinda power to beat him easily besides hax. But for whats it's worth Akira said that Beerus could destroy the kioshin realm.

@spider-manwins:have to agree with you, Spider-God>>>all

And people, please read the OP.

@jesusthesefanboys: Apparently it was stated in the new movie by Whis that if Beerus used 100% of his power in one shot he could destroy a galaxy. So the act of destroying a galaxy for him would not be casual.

@i_am_lightning: oh sorry i didn't see the omnipotent thing, so id say odin

@micah: Doubtful considering in battle of gods, whis says when he gets angry a solar system disappears. Dunno ill wait to watch it myself, but im not going on speculation. Also the fact they make a big deal about a planet exploding,while characters cannot breath in space is pretty weird.

Beerus can probs beat thanos with difficulty.

A galaxy is incomparably bigger than a star. Unless Beerus has destroyed a galaxy on panel like Odin, we shouldn't use them as feats. I do agree however that Beerus is MFTL. Galaxy busting, nope

I don't agree with that. The star feat has nothing to do with what Whis has stated Beerus is capable of at his max potential. If his teacher tells Goku and Vegeta he's capable of that at his max output and even explains what will happen afterwards as a result then it's valid evidence. Plus what happens later in the movie further backs up the claim even more.

We can't use statements as feats bruh. Especially since nothing has been shown close to galaxy busting in DBZ (canon source). Star busting is believable since Beerus can blitz through several planets with physical strength alone.

Statements are hype, not evidence. Give it time, DBZ will get galaxy busting feat soon enough...

@micah: Show me an on-panel scan where a DBZ character destroys a galaxy (no filler episode or movies). I don't remember a single galaxy busting feat in DBZ. Statements are not feats. I don't disbelieve what Akira says, but galaxy busting statements can't be used in battles. And please don't mention power levels and powerscaling, those stuff don't make any sense after Namek Saga

Without using DBZ characters thanos for sure he can react to the runner he can react to beerus and he has better physical strength sheilds that can resist galactcus himself and energy projection that can harm galactcus he could take beerus in a nice fight.

@micah: Scaling off super perfect cell, who had to charge to max to bust a solar system is kinda weird. When our own galaxy is estimated to have at least 100 billion stars.

@jesusthesefanboys: I'm only using him as an example that just because we don't see certain things happening doesn't mean that said things become unreliable and all of a sudden can't be used as valid proof. We never see Cell destroying a solar system and by 619's logic that would not make him a solar system buster since he doesn't have a "feat" of destroying the solar system.

@jesusthesefanboys:

Dunno, it depends how quickly he resorts to molecule manipulation and telepathy.

Molecule manipulation is prohibited by the OP, & I've already mentioned a feat where Beerus was unaffected by telepathy.

Beerus probably wins with difficulty.

Agreed.

Thanos could just destroy every planet they fight on and be done with it.

Why would that stop Beerus? Beerus was fine in space, & he's already busted planets & subsequently tanked their destruction:

@helixflameyt:

You know, I wouldn't have replied if you didn't call me a fanboy for no reason.

Thanos will rek Beerus with ease.

In a physical fight, Thanos just isn't beating the deity.

Dont let your fanboyness get in the way of facts.

Pointless insults are pointless insults.

If he gets Heart of the Universe it will be a curbstomp. He dominated Galactus with that.

Lol, no sh!t. If Thanos gets any of his overpowered plot devices he'll beat any DBZ character as of now. But that's just not fair, & I've been talking about a fight with the restrictions set by the OP.

I dont want anyone replying to me for this. DO NOT REPLY PLEASE.

Again, I wouldn't have if you didn't insult me.

Superman

What has Superman (Pre-Flashpoint or New-52) done that's on par with Beerus? Beerus obliterated seven planets, Superman had to go all out to destroy a moon, & he still knocked himself out. Beerus one-shotted two stars while groggy as well:

Gallery

Superman gets wrecked by the deity. I'm sorry all you Superman fans can't accept that there's DBZ characters greater than Superman. Honestly, Superman wouldn't even beat Pre-ROF Freeza.

Thanos

Prove it then!

Jean Grey with Phoenix Force (not even with full power so she is not completely omnipotent)

That really depends on a lot of things. Beerus could beat Phoenix, but I don't see him getting past Dark Phoenix or anything past that.

Scarlett Witch not sure bout it but possibly.

Everybody gonna keep ignoring the instance in which Beerus wasn't even fazed by literal god's telepathy?

@imperfect_cell: I have no reason to believe beerus will be fine in space. My comment wasn't on the issue of whether he can tank a planet exploding, it was on the issue of whether he can breath in space. Also what literal God's telepathy?.

@jesusthesefanboys:

I have no reason to believe beerus will be fine in space. My comment wasn't on the issue of whether he can tank a planet exploding, it was on the issue of whether he can breath in space.

Did you even watch Battle of Gods? The end fight takes place in space:

Not to mention Beerus & Whis travel across a galaxy for 27 minutes, so yes, Beerus can survive space.

Also what literal God's telepathy?.

Demon God Demigra. He was the main villain in Xenoverse, which crosses overs to several different canons, one being the one in which Beerus exists.

@imperfect_cell: Did you watch the end of resserection of f. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOS63Ng2PXc. As soon as the planet exploded, they assumed vegeta was dead because he couldn't breath in space, also trunks. A pretty fucking quick assumption. I'm assuming everyone needs the shield since they cant breath in space.

They didn't travel in space, they traveled by warping. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Warp. Its an ability of whis.

Also demigra wasn't a literal God he was a demon. God is just a title in fictional universes.

Since when where video games cannon anyway?

@jesusthesefanboys:

Did you watch the end of resserection of f. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOS63Ng2PXc. As soon as the planet exploded, they assumed vegeta was dead because he couldn't breath in space, also trunks.

Notice how they're not Beerus?

A pretty fucking quick assumption.

?

I'm assuming everyone needs the shield since they cant breath in space.

Beerus has already been fine in space. That shield was put up to protect the dessert & the rest of the Z-FIghters.

hey didn't travel in space, they traveled by warping. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Warp. Its an ability of whis.

Doesn't really matter.

Also demigra wasn't a literal God he was a demon.

He was the God of Demons, lol.

God is just a title in fictional universes.

I'm aware.

Since when where video games cannon anyway?

Since Dragon Ball Online & Xenoverse. Those two games cross over into the main canon.

@imperfect_cell: Beerus hasn't been fine in space, he can probably hold his breath like Goku. Being the god of demons isn't remotely quantifiable.

@jesusthesefanboys:

Beerus hasn't been fine in space, he can probably hold his breath like Goku.

Nobody breathes in space, lol. There's nothing to breathe. Of course Beerus was holding his breath, just like Superman, Thanos, etc, etc do.

Being the god of demons isn't remotely quantifiable.

I never said or implied it was.

Well he was capable of creating wormholes in space time to wipe out alternate timelines as shown in the game. He was also superior to the God of Time who was a powerful deity with control over time and as such watches the flow of time over the cosmos. She is also capable of manipulating space as well given her ability seal Démigra in a separate dimension like the Crack of Time. She is also implied to be capable of erasing alternate timelines created as a result of changes in history and could have done so to the alterations in history caused by Future Trunks' (as well as Cell's) use of the Time Machine, but chose not to as she was aware Trunks' reasons were noble and ultimately changed history for the better. So needless to say he's pretty strong given that she knew she wouldn't be able to defeat Demigra a second time.

@imperfect_cell: Pretty sure Thanos doesn't need to worry about air. Nvm anyway. Beerus can probably beat Thanos in a good fight. But loses to odin, dark schneider, saint seiya characters.

@jesusthesefanboys: I can agree with you on that.

Thor?

No.

When was Beerus ever stated to be a galaxy buster?

Scans plz