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#1 Edited by Gilateen (3468 posts) - - Show Bio

•Healthy Whitebeard

•In Character

•Ulquiorra starts in Base

•Location: Marineford

•Starting distance: 30ft

•Win By Death or K.O

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#2 Posted by FaradaySloth (8490 posts) - - Show Bio

Healthy WB is featless IIRC.

If it's base vs base then Edward should win.

Any form above base for Ulquiorra obviously stomps.

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#3 Posted by shirso (3856 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this a joke ? WB stomps with a casual quake.

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#4 Posted by Yray (462 posts) - - Show Bio

I was thinking this was going to be difficult for White beard since his sickness limits his agility and greatly reduces his stats but a healthy wb would finger flick ulquiorra to oblivion

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#5 Posted by UltraShaggy (505 posts) - - Show Bio

Wich version of Ulqiorra ?

Healthy Whitebeard coud win against normal form ulqi , but loose against R1 -R2 ,Hogyoku version .

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#7 Posted by Skrskr (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

Healthy white beard should stomp

Even old raeleigh was able to react to kizarus light speed transport technique, in the manga kizaru was already moving photons and raeleigh cuts the beam and kizaru is forced to reform where he was standing previously.

At bare minimum this is a relativistic reaction feat probably through the use of haki or just knowledge on kizarus techniques but still above ulqs paygrade by a significant margin.

Old white beard either wins with a quake or gets destroyed from the air.

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#8 Edited by ValorKnight (12220 posts) - - Show Bio

Ulquiorra stomps effortlessly in either of his release forms.

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#10 Posted by RikuYamaha (1480 posts) - - Show Bio

whitebeard should take this. the only thing ulq has that whitebeard doesn't is flight and long range projectiles.

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#11 Posted by Tetsukage (1969 posts) - - Show Bio

Ulquiorra wins, WB is featless on this level.

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#12 Posted by zxc6 (528 posts) - - Show Bio

Whitebeard casually one shot

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#13 Edited by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

Whitebeard casually sends a quake in Ulqs direction ending him not to mention speedblitz via scaling from a casual Kaidou blitzing a bloodlusted Gear 4 Luffy from a seated position.

If Kaidou who is semi featless and has done nothing but been casual can take him and VL Ichigo on

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/kaidou-vs-vasto-lorde-ichigo-and-ulquiorra-1985012/

then this is a mismatch

Ulq can't do anything here he'll be lucky if he can beat Doflamingo

Inb4 moon level Lanza

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#14 Posted by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

Ulquiorra stomps effortlessly in either of his release forms.

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#15 Posted by naknoemo00 (163 posts) - - Show Bio

Whitebears takes this mid diff.

Whitebeard vs VL Ichigo is a better fight.

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#16 Edited by FaradaySloth (8490 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao Kaido would get stomped by the Duo.

“WB has quakes”

Cool story bro, Lanza gg.

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#17 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4260 posts) - - Show Bio

Ulq would tank the first quake then transform and one shot with Cero Oscars.

lmao at anyone in OP beating R2 Ulq and VL Ichigo.

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#18 Posted by ValorKnight (12220 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Whitebeard is slow and was literally killed by guns. If you think he wins this, then you might be mentally impaired.

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#19 Posted by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Whitebeard is slow and was literally killed by guns. If you think he wins this, then you might be mentally impaired.

Read Op again....

He's healthy here and has no Sword wound before the battle

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#20 Posted by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Being Healthy doesn't negate age, not that it matters since we're completely oblivious to what Healthy whitebeard was capable of.

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#21 Posted by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

What even is this, further proof that the average mental age on CV is below 10?

A slow old man is going to beat someone who is faster and can fly.

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#22 Edited by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil said:

@skysanji: Being Healthy doesn't negate age, not that it matters since we're completely oblivious to what Healthy whitebeard was capable of.

Kaidou and Rayleigh are both old and one can keep up with Kizaru and gets him to retreat the other casually blitzes and oneshots a Bloodlusted GEAR 4 Luffy from a seated position, Whitebeard being Healthy here should scale to them at bare minimum....

This is a mismatch.

@limitlesssigil said:

What even is this, further proof that the average mental age on CV is below 10?

A slow old man is going to beat someone who is faster and can fly.

Ironic when you can't read the OP rules

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#23 Posted by ValorKnight (12220 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji:

He's healthy here and has no Sword wound before the battle

That doesn't change anything considering the fact that he doesn't have any feats to suggest he'd be faster or more durable than he was at Marineford.

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#24 Posted by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:

@limitlesssigil said:

@skysanji: Being Healthy doesn't negate age, not that it matters since we're completely oblivious to what Healthy whitebeard was capable of.

Kaidou and Rayleigh are both old and one can keep up with Kizaru and gets him to retreat the other casually blitzes and oneshots Bloodlusted GEAR 4 Luffy from a seated position, Whitebeard being Healthy here should scale to them at bare minimum....

Who one shot Gear 4 Luffy other than Kaido? Rayleigh? That's filler.

@limitlesssigil said:

What even is this, further proof that the average mental age on CV is below 10?

A slow old man is going to beat someone who is faster and can fly.

Ironic when you can't read the OP rules

I read all of the rules, what are you talking about?

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#25 Posted by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji:

He's healthy here and has no Sword wound before the battle

That doesn't change anything considering the fact that he doesn't have any feats to suggest he'd be faster or more durable than he was at Marineford.

Are you kidding right now you have to be He was the strongest man in the world and we saw Rayleigh fight Kizaru to a stand still and even had him retreat he while should be stronger than Rayleigh with Lowball

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#26 Posted by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:

@valorknight said:

@skysanji:

He's healthy here and has no Sword wound before the battle

That doesn't change anything considering the fact that he doesn't have any feats to suggest he'd be faster or more durable than he was at Marineford.

Are you kidding right now you have to be He was the strongest man in the world and we saw Rayleigh fight Kizaru to a stand still and even had him retreat he while should be stronger than Rayleigh with Lowball

For all we know he could have earned that Title when he was much younger and still held onto it without remaining the strongest, you have no proof that says otherwise.

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#27 Posted by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:

@limitlesssigil said:

@skysanji: Being Healthy doesn't negate age, not that it matters since we're completely oblivious to what Healthy whitebeard was capable of.

Kaidou and Rayleigh are both old and one can keep up with Kizaru and gets him to retreat the other casually blitzes and oneshots Bloodlusted GEAR 4 Luffy from a seated position, Whitebeard being Healthy here should scale to them at bare minimum....

Who one shot Gear 4 Luffy other than Kaido? Rayleigh? That's filler.

Never did I say Rayleigh oneshotted Luffy.... Also what? Is Fighting and making Kizaru retreat not better than casually Oneshotting a Gear 4 Luffy?

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What even is this, further proof that the average mental age on CV is below 10?

A slow old man is going to beat someone who is faster and can fly.

Ironic when you can't read the OP rules

I read all of the rules, what are you talking about?

Your saying Whitebeard is slow so your obviously using his Marineford feats which makes no sense since he's healthy here

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#28 Posted by ValorKnight (12220 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji:

Are you kidding right now you have to be

Because I disagreed with you?

He was the strongest man in the world

Okay? Strength is useless if you're too slow to dodge and too feeble to take a hit.

and we saw Rayleigh fight Kizaru to a stand still and even had him retreat

Whitebeard isn't Rayleigh.

he while should be stronger than Rayleigh with Lowball

He's definitely stronger, but you have literally no way to prove that he was as fast as Rayleigh was, especially when his actual feats disagree with that.

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#29 Posted by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:

@limitlesssigil said:

@skysanji said:

@limitlesssigil said:

@skysanji: Being Healthy doesn't negate age, not that it matters since we're completely oblivious to what Healthy whitebeard was capable of.

Kaidou and Rayleigh are both old and one can keep up with Kizaru and gets him to retreat the other casually blitzes and oneshots Bloodlusted GEAR 4 Luffy from a seated position, Whitebeard being Healthy here should scale to them at bare minimum....

Who one shot Gear 4 Luffy other than Kaido? Rayleigh? That's filler.

Never did I say Rayleigh oneshotted Luffy.... Also what? Is Fighting and making Kizaru retreat not better than casually Oneshotting a Gear 4 Luffy?

You said "Other casually blitzes and Oneshots bloodlusted Gear 4 Luffy" So either Rayleigh or Kizaru is who you're referring to, and neither did this.

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What even is this, further proof that the average mental age on CV is below 10?

A slow old man is going to beat someone who is faster and can fly.

Ironic when you can't read the OP rules

I read all of the rules, what are you talking about?

Your saying Whitebeard is slow so your obviously using his Marineford feats which makes no sense since he's healthy here

Proof his speed increases when he's healthy? Maybe if this was Prime Whitebeard and Healthy then you could make an argument but not here.

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#30 Posted by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

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Are you kidding right now you have to be

Because I disagreed with you?

No because you are deliberately lowballing at this point.

He was the strongest man in the world

Okay? Strength is useless if you're too slow to dodge and too feeble to take a hit.

Strongest man in the world doesn't just mean physical strength.....we are talking about overall power and we know we are talking about overall power because he got this after Roger died so it has nothing to do with his devil fruit.

and we saw Rayleigh fight Kizaru to a stand still and even had him retreat

Whitebeard isn't Rayleigh.

Is a healthy Whitebeard slower than Rayleigh and Kizaru now?Even though he was labeled the strongest man in the world after Roger passed.

he while should be stronger than Rayleigh with Lowball

He's definitely stronger, but you have literally no way to prove that he was as fast as Rayleigh was, especially when his actual feats disagree with that.

You see that's the problem your using his actual feats meaning you are using a sick Whitebeard here since that's all we saw, he's Healthy here.

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#31 Posted by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Here's the issue with OP top tier debates, they have 0 feats so the only way to use them is by ridiculous scaling and fan wank.

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#32 Edited by ValorKnight (12220 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji:

No because you are deliberately lowballing at this point.

I can't be lowballing, as he literally got shot and died. I'm not extrapolating anything, as that's exactly what happened.

Strongest man in the world doesn't just mean physical strength.....we are talking about overall power and we know we are talking about overall power because he got this after Roger died so it has nothing to do with his devil fruit.

Prove that it meant overall power. Give me a scan with a character saying that. If you can't, then it obviously isn't talking about overall strength considering the feats we were given.

and we saw Rayleigh fight Kizaru to a stand still and even had him retreat

Again, Rayleigh isn't Whitebeard; they don't scale at all whatsoever.

Is a healthy Whitebeard slower than Rayleigh and Kizaru now?

Do you have feats to prove otherwise? No? Alright then.

Even though he was labeled the strongest man in the world after Roger passed.

Strongest, not fastest or most durable.

You see that's the problem your using his actual feats meaning you are using a sick Whitebeard here since that's all we saw, he's Healthy here.

You can't prove that he was faster or more durable while healthy. It's as simple as that. If you can show me actual feats, I'll drop my argument right now.

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#33 Posted by shirso (3856 posts) - - Show Bio

@valorknight: He literally teleported behind Akainu when serious and was overpowering Akainu in cqc. That should be enough. And feats for Ulquiorra to suggest tanking a quake punch to the face?

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#34 Posted by shirso (3856 posts) - - Show Bio

Also in general people should stop using OP top tiers in battle till they get more feats.

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#35 Posted by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

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@valorknight: He literally teleported behind Akainu when serious

You mean after Akainu killed ace? Wasn't teleport or insane speed, Akainu just didn't notice him, hell even fodder marines were fast enough to warn Akainu.

and was overpowering Akainu in cqc. That should be enough. And feats for Ulquiorra to suggest tanking a quake punch to the face?

Flying away from it? Ulquiorra doesn't need to have a CQC fight.

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#36 Posted by ValorKnight (12220 posts) - - Show Bio

@shirso:

He literally teleported behind Akainu when serious and was overpowering Akainu in cqc.

  1. He didn't teleport behind him.
  2. Keeping up with Akainu isn't impressive.

And feats for Ulquiorra to suggest tanking a quake punch to the face?

Whitebeard would be too busy getting one-shot to be able to hit him.

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#37 Posted by ValorKnight (12220 posts) - - Show Bio

@shirso said:

Also in general people should stop using OP top tiers in battle till they get more feats.

Whitebeard is dead, what new feats is he going to get?

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#38 Edited by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

@valorknight said:

@shirso said:

Also in general people should stop using OP top tiers in battle till they get more feats.

Whitebeard is dead, what new feats is he going to get?

They could give us flashbacks to when Whitebeard was young or old and healthy maybe.

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#39 Posted by ValorKnight (12220 posts) - - Show Bio

@valorknight said:

@shirso said:

Also in general people should stop using OP top tiers in battle till they get more feats.

Whitebeard is dead, what new feats is he going to get?

They could give us flashbacks to when Whitebeard was young or old and healthy maybe.

That is true. I retract my previous statement.

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#40 Posted by shirso (3856 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil:

You mean after Akainu killed ace? Wasn't teleport or insane speed, Akainu just didn't notice him, hell even fodder marines were fast enough to warn Akainu.

He was keeping up with and even overpowering Akainu in cqc. And he should logically scale to the likes of Kaido as well. It's scaling sure, but not much else to do when he has appeared for just 1 arc and a few dozen chapters.

Flying away from it? Ulquiorra doesn't need to have a CQC fight.

Does he start fights by flying away right away? Bu standard rules they start 10-20 m apart I think, and WB's quake punches have insane AoE as well.

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#41 Posted by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

@shirso said:

@limitlesssigil:

You mean after Akainu killed ace? Wasn't teleport or insane speed, Akainu just didn't notice him, hell even fodder marines were fast enough to warn Akainu.

He was keeping up with and even overpowering Akainu in cqc. And he should logically scale to the likes of Kaido as well. It's scaling sure, but not much else to do when he has appeared for just 1 arc and a few dozen chapters.

Flying away from it? Ulquiorra doesn't need to have a CQC fight.

Does he start fights by flying away right away? Bu standard rules they start 10-20 m apart I think, and WB's quake punches have insane AoE as well.

How fast do his Quakes travel? Mach 1 at best since its shock waves essentially? How do you envision that hitting Ulquiorra when they're 10-20m apart?

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#42 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16973 posts) - - Show Bio

Whitebeard should win. If he tags Ulquiorra it’s over.

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#43 Posted by shirso (3856 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: No Seismic waves are much faster. They can reach speeds of 8km/s (high hypersonic) in real life and WB's quakes in particular were being felt in far off islands across the Grand Line.

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#44 Posted by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

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@limitlesssigil: No Seismic waves are much faster. They can reach speeds of 8km/s (high hypersonic) in real life and WB's quakes in particular were being felt in far off islands across the Grand Line.

Questionable since Seismic waves travel along solid object like Rock or Water, we've seen Whitebeards travel through air which is why I assumed they were Shock waves.

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#45 Posted by shirso (3856 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: Even in loose media they have a speed of 1km/s at least. But WB's quakes were being felt at distant islands across the Grand Line so they were clearly much faster.

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#46 Posted by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

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@limitlesssigil: Even in loose media they have a speed of 1km/s at least. But WB's quakes were being felt at distant islands across the Grand Line so they were clearly much faster.

So via feats, the only way WB is hitting Ulquiorra with a Quake is if it's pointblank CQC? I can't really see that happening, if you saw someone that looked like Whitebeard would you want to brawl with him?

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#47 Posted by shirso (3856 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: ?? His quakes have country wide range bare minimum and they should travel at least hypersonic speeds. Even if you say Ulquiorra tries to fly away and go for energy blasts right at the start (which I don't think is ic for him) a quake punch from 20 metres would definitely disorient him greatly for WB to tag him.

And you are acting as if WB is a statue compared to Ulquiorra. He isn't, he directly scales to Admirals, Kaido and even to some extent to Kizaru.

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#48 Posted by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

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@limitlesssigil: ?? His quakes have country wide range bare

No, they have that size of effect, not range. There is a difference.

minimum and they should travel at least hypersonic speeds. Even if you say Ulquiorra tries to fly away and go for energy blasts right at the start (which I don't think is ic for him) a quake punch from 20 metres would definitely disorient him greatly for WB to tag him.

Ulquiorra is much faster than the 1-8km/s you assumed earlier, I don't see how it's unreasonable that Ulquiorra can dodge those given their starting distance of 10-20m?

And you are acting as if WB is a statue compared to Ulquiorra. He isn't, he directly scales to Admirals, Kaido and even to some extent to Kizaru.

He doesn't scale to any of them in speed especially Kizaru.

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#49 Edited by shirso (3856 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil:

No, they have that size of effect, not range. There is a difference.

?? They were causing tsunamis and shaking islands far away from MF. How does Ulquiorra escape that kind of AoE? I mean the guy tilted tectonic plates just by grabbing the air.

Ulquiorra is much faster than the 1-8km/s you assumed earlier, I don't see how it's unreasonable that Ulquiorra can dodge those given their starting distance of 10-20m?

Is it in character for Ulquiorra to just fly as far away as he can and spam Lanzas, right in the beginning of a fight? Also WB's quakes are likely much faster than irl seeing as how their effects are felt a lot more quickly over large distances. And hypersonic+ flight speed feats for Ulquiorra?

He doesn't scale to any of them in speed especially Kizaru.

He intercepted Kizaru while he was in the middle of executing Yata no. He kept up with and was actually overpowering Akainu in cqc. He should scale to Kaido as well seeing as he was hyped to be the "World's Strongest Man".

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#50 Edited by LimitlessSigil (3932 posts) - - Show Bio

@shirso said:

@limitlesssigil:

No, they have that size of effect, not range. There is a difference.

?? They were causing tsunamis and shaking islands far away from MF. How does Ulquiorra escape that kind of AoE? I mean the guy tilted tectonic plates just by grabbing the air.

Ulquiorra is much faster than the 1-8km/s you assumed earlier, I don't see how it's unreasonable that Ulquiorra can dodge those given their starting distance of 10-20m?

Is it in character for Ulquiorra to just fly as far away as he can and spam Lanzas, right in the beginning of a fight? Also WB's quakes are likely much faster than irl seeing as how their effects are felt a lot more quickly over large distances. And hypersonic+ flight speed feats for Ulquiorra?

You have no proof to suggest they're faster, Ulquiorra doesn't need to fly away to avoid the quakes, even so his flight speed is clearly faster than hypersonic+ he was blitzing a Masked Bankai Ichigo whilst flying.

He doesn't scale to any of them in speed especially Kizaru.

He intercepted Kizaru while he was in the middle of executing Yata no.

Scan of this please.

He kept up with and was actually overpowering Akainu in cqc. He should scale to Kaido as well seeing as he was hyped to be the "World's Strongest Man".

We have no understanding of that title whatsoever, he could have achieved it decades ago and merely held onto the title without remaining the strongest. Akainu has what speed feats?