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#1  Edited By randumo24

White Phoenix of the Crown vs Eternity, who wins? 
 

 
 
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WPOTC
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#3  Edited By Stormultt

WPOTC is quite above him
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#4  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000

spite much
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#5  Edited By randumo24
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"spite much "

What are you talking about, Eternity is quite high on the scale of power. Since most people thought he would beat DP, this is against another form of hers.
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Eternity ftw
Sum of all things in the universe.

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#7  Edited By randumo24
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
"Eternity ftwSum of all things in the universe. "

eternity sum of all things in the universe, WPOTC holding a universe.
 
 
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#8  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
@randumo24 said:
"@StrongestOneThereIs said:
"Eternity ftwSum of all things in the universe. "

eternity sum of all things in the universe, WPOTC holding a universe.
 
 
"
i stand by 

 
 
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#9  Edited By randumo24

obviously Hulk fanboy doesn't think so
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@randumo24 said:
" obviously Hulk fanboy doesn't think so "
Obviously! : )
 
and let me correct myself
He is the sum total of all things in all universes. 
She is a part of whatever universe she was created in.
Therefore, she is a part of him.
Only his creator is above him.
And that would be One Above All. 
 
Creating a universe is nothing.
Franklin Richards did that.
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#11  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @randumo24 said:
" obviously Hulk fanboy doesn't think so "
Obviously! : )  and let me correct myself He is the sum total of all things in all universes.  She is a part of whatever universe she was created in. Therefore, she is a part of him. Only his creator is above him. And that would be One Above All.   Creating a universe is nothing. Franklin Richards did that."
umm, LT is above eternity and multi-eternity is the one who is all the universes, this eternity is just 616
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#12  Edited By capall
@StrongestOneThereIs: 
wpotc is above eternity 
multi-eternity is above wpotc
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@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @randumo24 said:
" obviously Hulk fanboy doesn't think so "
Obviously! : )  and let me correct myself He is the sum total of all things in all universes.  She is a part of whatever universe she was created in. Therefore, she is a part of him. Only his creator is above him. And that would be One Above All.   Creating a universe is nothing. Franklin Richards did that."
umm, LT is above eternity and multi-eternity is the one who is all the universes, this eternity is just 616 "
LT is above him because he is speaks for TOAA in voice and in power.
If he ever lost his position, he wouldn't be.
Eternity is Eternity. and is able to be  in all places at all times (as stated in the Marvel encyclopedia)
If that's not multi, I don't know what is.
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#14  Edited By randumo24
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @randumo24 said:
" obviously Hulk fanboy doesn't think so "
Obviously! : )  and let me correct myself He is the sum total of all things in all universes.  She is a part of whatever universe she was created in. Therefore, she is a part of him. Only his creator is above him. And that would be One Above All.   Creating a universe is nothing. Franklin Richards did that."

Phoenix is the sum of all life in the universe present and future. Phoenix exists in every universe and existed before the current universe was even here.
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@randumo24 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @randumo24 said:
" obviously Hulk fanboy doesn't think so "
Obviously! : )  and let me correct myself He is the sum total of all things in all universes.  She is a part of whatever universe she was created in. Therefore, she is a part of him. Only his creator is above him. And that would be One Above All.   Creating a universe is nothing. Franklin Richards did that."
Phoenix is the sum of all life in the universe present and future. Phoenix exists in every universe and existed before the current universe was even here. "
So was Eternity. 
A new universe is just another aspect of himself.
He is Eternity. As in Eternal. No end. 
Phoenix very existence is based on rebirth.
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#16  Edited By Son Of Storm
@randumo24 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
"Eternity ftwSum of all things in the universe. "

eternity sum of all things in the universe, WPOTC holding a universe.
 
 
"

Where is that from?


LOOKS NEAT XD

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#17  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @randumo24 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @randumo24 said:
" obviously Hulk fanboy doesn't think so "
Obviously! : )  and let me correct myself He is the sum total of all things in all universes.  She is a part of whatever universe she was created in. Therefore, she is a part of him. Only his creator is above him. And that would be One Above All.   Creating a universe is nothing. Franklin Richards did that."
Phoenix is the sum of all life in the universe present and future. Phoenix exists in every universe and existed before the current universe was even here. "
So was Eternity.  A new universe is just another aspect of himself. He is Eternity. As in Eternal. No end.  Phoenix very existence is based on rebirth."
no no listen, multi eternity is in all the omniverse in marvel, the eternity in 616 is a part of that thus not as strong as multi-eternity, also LT will always be more powerful then eternity due to him being the speacher for TOAA but he has his own power
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@DC_Marvel_1000: I disagree. LT only has the power because he is backed by TOAA.
Show me a pic of this so-called multi-eternity.
If he he exist. It seems that any eternity would be just an extension of himself.
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#19  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
@StrongestOneThereIs said:    
"@DC_Marvel_1000: I disagree. LT only has the power because he is backed by TOAA. Show me a pic of this so-called multi-eternity. If he he exist. It seems that any eternity would be just an extension of himself. "

 
 
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#20  Edited By randumo24

Of course multi eternity exists, I wouldn't have mentioned it in this & the DP battles if he didn't.
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I take that as being the explanation of a multi-verse.
If eternity is the some of the universe and their are multiple universes.
Then there would be multiple Eternities. All part of the whole.  That would explain why he can be in all places at once.
So I stand by what I said. 
One would have access to the power of all.
Eternity wins : 0

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#22  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
"I take that as being the explanation of a multi-verse. If eternity is the some of the universe and their are multiple universes. Then there would be multiple Eternities. All part of the whole.  That would explain why he can be in all places at once.So I stand by what I said.  One would have access to the power of all. Eternity wins : 0 "
*sighs* i just showed you multi-eternity and yet you still don't belive it.............-_- come on now
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#23  Edited By Ziro

White Phoenix of The Crown.
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@DC_Marvel_1000: i didn't say I didn't believe it.
I said it went along with what I believe him to be.
If you disagree. That's fine. Just tell me why and we can continue the disagreement. 
Cause I find the concept of these entities interesting
and worth discussing our interpretation of what they are.
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#25  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
"@DC_Marvel_1000: i didn't say I didn't believe it. I said it went along with what I believe him to be. If you disagree. That's fine. Just tell me why and we can continue the disagreement.  Cause I find the concept of these entities interesting and worth discussing our interpretation of what they are. "

let me break it down 
eternity=sum of one universe 
multi-eternity=sum of the multiverse 
thus the 616 eternity is weaker then WPOTC but multi is stronger
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@DC_Marvel_1000: Now explain to me why one wouldn't be just an extension of the multiple facet being that I believe him to be?
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#27  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: Now explain to me why one wouldn't be just an extension of the multiple facet being that I believe him to be? "
since one is only just part of ME, one can not be as strong as them together, that does not work
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#28  Edited By Son Of Storm

" @randumo24 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
"Eternity ftwSum of all things in the universe. "

eternity sum of all things in the universe, WPOTC holding a universe.
 
 
"

Where is that from?



"
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@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: Now explain to me why one wouldn't be just an extension of the multiple facet being that I believe him to be? "
since one is only just part of ME, one can not be as strong as them together, that does not work "
if they are all part of the same being
they would share in the same power whatever that unlimited source is
therefore, one could have access to unlimited power
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#30  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: Now explain to me why one wouldn't be just an extension of the multiple facet being that I believe him to be? "
since one is only just part of ME, one can not be as strong as them together, that does not work "
if they are all part of the same being they would share in the same power whatever that unlimited source istherefore, one could have access to unlimited power"

no it can't since only them as a whole can have that power
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@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: Now explain to me why one wouldn't be just an extension of the multiple facet being that I believe him to be? "
since one is only just part of ME, one can not be as strong as them together, that does not work "
if they are all part of the same being they would share in the same power whatever that unlimited source istherefore, one could have access to unlimited power"
no it can't since only them as a whole can have that power "
and you don't believe them to be the collective consciousness on one being that
exist in all the multi-universes?
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#32  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: Now explain to me why one wouldn't be just an extension of the multiple facet being that I believe him to be? "
since one is only just part of ME, one can not be as strong as them together, that does not work "
if they are all part of the same being they would share in the same power whatever that unlimited source istherefore, one could have access to unlimited power"
no it can't since only them as a whole can have that power "
and you don't believe them to be the collective consciousness on one being that exist in all the multi-universes?"

again the eternity of one universe is only as strong as that universe shows him to be, i mean thanos with IG was able to take down the eternity of 616 but does this mean he is as strong as the multi-eternity who is the whole multiverse? no
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@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: Now explain to me why one wouldn't be just an extension of the multiple facet being that I believe him to be? "
since one is only just part of ME, one can not be as strong as them together, that does not work "
if they are all part of the same being they would share in the same power whatever that unlimited source istherefore, one could have access to unlimited power"
no it can't since only them as a whole can have that power "
and you don't believe them to be the collective consciousness on one being that exist in all the multi-universes?"
again the eternity of one universe is only as strong as that universe shows him to be, i mean thanos with IG was able to take down the eternity of 616 but does this mean he is as strong as the multi-eternity who is the whole multiverse? no "
Yes, I believe it does mean just that.
That's why it took the judgement of TOAA (who is over all universes) to stop him.
Thanos had power over all save one. If he White Phoenix was there, she would have fallen as well.
 
I will say this.
Eternity's being seem to change from one level to another
If you accept one thing that happen in a comic as the example of what a character is or can do
then why one and not others?
Once the demon Nightmare captured Eternity.

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#34  Edited By randumo24

If you summed up all the power from each universe then you'd have to do it for phoenix as well.
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#35  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: Now explain to me why one wouldn't be just an extension of the multiple facet being that I believe him to be? "
since one is only just part of ME, one can not be as strong as them together, that does not work "
if they are all part of the same being they would share in the same power whatever that unlimited source istherefore, one could have access to unlimited power"
no it can't since only them as a whole can have that power "
and you don't believe them to be the collective consciousness on one being that exist in all the multi-universes?"
again the eternity of one universe is only as strong as that universe shows him to be, i mean thanos with IG was able to take down the eternity of 616 but does this mean he is as strong as the multi-eternity who is the whole multiverse? no "
Yes, I believe it does mean just that. That's why it took the judgement of TOAA (who is over all universes) to stop him. Thanos had power over all save one. If he White Phoenix was there, she would have fallen as well. I will say this. Eternity's being seem to change from one level to another If you accept one thing that happen in a comic as the example of what a character is or can do then why one and not others? Once the demon Nightmare captured Eternity. "

ok let me break it down like this then 
universe<<<<<<<<<mutliverse 
eternity of 616=universe>>>>>>>>ME=multiverse
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@DC_Marvel_1000: I break it down like this:
universe 616 is part of the mutil-verse
616 Eternity is part of the multi-verse Eternity
both are parts of one whole
 
@randumo24 said:
" If you summed up all the power from each universe then you'd have to do it for phoenix as well. "

does she exist in all universes?
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#37  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: I break it down like this:
universe 616 is part of the mutil-verse
616 Eternity is part of the multi-verse Eternity
both are parts of one whole
 
@randumo24 said:
" If you summed up all the power from each universe then you'd have to do it for phoenix as well. "
does she exist in all universes?"
ehhhhh but they are not as strong as with they are a whole, i mean is one of the IG gems just as strong as them together? no
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#38  Edited By capall
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: Now explain to me why one wouldn't be just an extension of the multiple facet being that I believe him to be? "
since one is only just part of ME, one can not be as strong as them together, that does not work "
if they are all part of the same being they would share in the same power whatever that unlimited source istherefore, one could have access to unlimited power"
no it can't since only them as a whole can have that power "
and you don't believe them to be the collective consciousness on one being that exist in all the multi-universes?"
again the eternity of one universe is only as strong as that universe shows him to be, i mean thanos with IG was able to take down the eternity of 616 but does this mean he is as strong as the multi-eternity who is the whole multiverse? no "
Yes, I believe it does mean just that. That's why it took the judgement of TOAA (who is over all universes) to stop him. Thanos had power over all save one. If he White Phoenix was there, she would have fallen as well. I will say this. Eternity's being seem to change from one level to another If you accept one thing that happen in a comic as the example of what a character is or can do then why one and not others? Once the demon Nightmare captured Eternity. "
ok let me break it down like this then universe<<<<<<<<<mutliverse eternity of 616=universe>>>>>>>>ME=multiverse "

lol
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#39  Edited By randumo24
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: I break it down like this:
universe 616 is part of the mutil-verse
616 Eternity is part of the multi-verse Eternity
both are parts of one whole
 
@randumo24 said:
" If you summed up all the power from each universe then you'd have to do it for phoenix as well. "
does she exist in all universes?"
ehhhhh but they are not as strong as with they are a whole, i mean is one of the IG gems just as strong as them together? no "

yea even multi eternity wouldn't stand a chance against all the phoenix avatars 
 

 
 
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@randumo24: Then it seems that it comes down to who you believe is more powerful.
Creating a universe is not a good show since Franklin Richards did it. 
 
What else do you have as to what she can do?
I only have the comic that you took the pic from.
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#41  Edited By randumo24
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @randumo24: Then it seems that it comes down to who you believe is more powerful. Creating a universe is not a good show since Franklin Richards did it.   What else do you have as to what she can do? I only have the comic that you took the pic from."

repairing a universe is a more powerful demonstration of power than just creating one IMO
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@DC_Marvel_1000: 
Eternity has unlimited power
I assume the source is from how he exist
and I believe that existence to be multi-facet
Marvel hasn't really gone into explanation of what he is (it varies all the time)
 
As far as the gems. They are not parts of one gem.
But separate gems that when put together are more powerful than they are alone. 
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@randumo24: why would it be?
if you know how to create a universe, why would you not know how to repair one?
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I don't know anything about a multi-eternity.  As far as I know it was just a term used to describe the several eternities that exist.

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#45  Edited By Tevnoba
@randumo24 said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: I break it down like this:
universe 616 is part of the mutil-verse
616 Eternity is part of the multi-verse Eternity
both are parts of one whole
 
@randumo24 said:
" If you summed up all the power from each universe then you'd have to do it for phoenix as well. "
does she exist in all universes?"
ehhhhh but they are not as strong as with they are a whole, i mean is one of the IG gems just as strong as them together? no "

yea even multi eternity wouldn't stand a chance against all the phoenix avatars 
 

"
Yes he would.
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#46  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
@Tevnoba said:
" @randumo24 said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: I break it down like this:
universe 616 is part of the mutil-verse
616 Eternity is part of the multi-verse Eternity
both are parts of one whole
 
@randumo24 said:
" If you summed up all the power from each universe then you'd have to do it for phoenix as well. "
does she exist in all universes?"
ehhhhh but they are not as strong as with they are a whole, i mean is one of the IG gems just as strong as them together? no "

yea even multi eternity wouldn't stand a chance against all the phoenix avatars 
 

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Yes he would. "
qft
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#47  Edited By geraldthesloth
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000: Now explain to me why one wouldn't be just an extension of the multiple facet being that I believe him to be? "
since one is only just part of ME, one can not be as strong as them together, that does not work "
if they are all part of the same being they would share in the same power whatever that unlimited source istherefore, one could have access to unlimited power "
The Eternity you see in 616 is just an avatar of the Multi-Eternity, he's able to draw upon its power but not all of it.
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#48  Edited By WindCloud

Eternity ftw.

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#49  Edited By czarny_samael666

Multi Eternity > Phweonix Force > WPOTC > Eternity > Any Pheonix who can't destroy a Universe.
I belive that anyone who can destroy universe is more powerfull than Eternity,because Eternity is universe itself.

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@Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
Phoenix Force > Multi Eternity >  WPOTC > Eternity  > any Phoenix who can't destroy a universe.
I am not sure about that. I won't argue with You, becasue there is no evidence that one of them is stronger than opponent, that is only our opinion.