White Phoenix( Marvel) vs Hecate( DC)

Best feats of both included.

Morals off

Win by death, KO, incap.

interesting fight

@naknoemo00: Who do you think would win?

White Phoenix has better feats

@geekryan: Can you state some of those feats?

Hecate

Sure!

So first off, the White Phoenix version is the most powerful, meaning that all of Base/Green Phoenix and Dark Phoenix feats apply to White Phoenix.

Source for the following feats: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/jean-grey/4005-3552/forums/jean-grey-appreciation-thread-2227420/

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Leaning towards Phoenix

Yeah I agree, I like Wpotc, she's a beast, but Hecate is above that.

Hecate

Phoenix Wright

what beings are that?

bump.

I thought Presence is the top dog in DC.

Rama Kushna or Rama Krishna? This is interesting as Rama and Krishna are two different avatars of Vishnu in original Hindu mythology.

Also isn't the being in the scan above called Pralaya? And who did Presence merge with to take her down?

@sladeracer: Damn, there are so many outerversal beings in DC now. The scaling is getting pretty confusing. And yes, Rama and Krishna are both chanted together as Rama-Krishna in Hindu prayers as they are both avatars of Vishnu and thus ultimately the same Supreme Preserver of Creation.

@sladeracer: hm interesting.

so Pralaya is above the Presence who is below the Sin Eater.

isn't that old news though?

I thought DC has some new cosmology.

So, just curious. Where would you place TOAA in the new DC cosmology?

I guess it depends on a match up. So who is the top dog in DC then?

But isn't Perpetua above Manhattan? And didn't the Darkest Knight beat them both?

Hecate stomps, having a fire bird aura may give you some fanatic overhyped fans but it doesnt make you had the power over everything.

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@thedevil98: nah hes above them,

The quintessence gathered a fraction of Dr.M energy, gave it to diana, and she almost killed perpetua.

The presence and the source can produce the same energy of Dr.M, so why the quintessence goes to an alien of DC for power instead of the gods they worship??

yet izaya thinks the fraction of dr.m energy is more potent than the entirety of the source.

wally also had a fraction of dr.m energy. From the mobius chair. a fraction that made tdk more powerful than perpetua.

Also when tdk absorb batmanhattan, perpetua immidiately dropped everthing she was doing and resorted to making deals with tdk.

batmanhattan is bruce wayne, he tried to replicate the experiment but he did not have the same outcome. Ozymandias and others tried to replicate it, the same experiment and got bubastis, who is similar to batmanhattan. The thing about dr.m is that he became something called the quantum observer, basically god. and U can't replicate god with experiemnts,

Didn't Perpetua showcase her superiority to Batmanhattan in this? Regardless, Hecate or Perpetua absolutely shreds White Phoenix of the Crown, with Perpetua also wrecking the Living Tribunal or even the preretcon Beyonder. Prerecton Beyonder loses to Perpetua after a good fight, the Living Tribunal gets absolutely wrecked by her, and White Phoenix of the Crown being compared to her is just pathetic by comparison.

And, of course as the other user down below mentioned, Hecate also curbstomps White Phoenix of the Crown. Hecate against the Living Tribunal would be interesting, tho even that seems to be favoring Hecate.

Oh wow, so would you put Dr. Manhattan also above the Living Tribunal?

@raimundopedrosa: lol Dr M above LT?? Lol no thats silly

That was exactly what I thought: Perpetua definitely above the Living Tribunal, and easily the same for Hecate, but Dr. Manhattan sounds like a huge stretch...

Hmm... interesting. I'll be follow you. Follow back, please?

Sladeracer headcanon runs this site dry.

Hecate beat Lucife!!!!!!!!! Pls pls belief me everboody!

Hecate at the dawn of creation, might have a shot. But Hecate during the current timeline, is nowhere near her original power. Everyone arguing that she’s some all encompassing multiversal entity, completely missed the point of the story.

The entire Witchmark arc, revolved around Hecate trying to “take back“ magic.

• If she were still the embodiment of the Sphere of the Gods, then other gods would not be capable of challenging her, they’d already be part of her.
• If she were still the embodiment of all magic, she wouldn’t need to attack and take over leylines or places of power, they’d already belong to her.
• If she were still the source of all spellcraft, she wouldn’t need to change the rules of magic to gain a resistance to it, she’d already decide when spells work and when they don’t.

@raimundopedrosa: His aspect above MXY? Um no its not MXY would lol stomp.

Phoenix atm