Whis vs Dark Schneider

Even though Whis hasn’t “displayed” the ability to use hakai, he should be able to preform it. The barrier surrounding the audience in the ToP set up by Grand Priest was able to tank a universe creating explosion by Toppo in the world of void.

Dbs top tiers are more powerful than we know we are sadly restricted to on panel feats. So possibly Bastard.

Hakai doesn´t work against Darsh, unless Beerus or Whis has someone erased from a higher existence that exist beyond space and time (Astral plane), plus it was stated (By Beerus) and shown (Against Zamasu) that Hakai doesn´t work when he reached the immortality. The only argument for Whis is his speed, but based on abilities, he has no way to put Darsh down. Darsh has at least Bloodstone to make Whis kill himself.

Lmfao beerus destroyed a gag ghost.

Zamasu immorality was granted by fucken super shenron... That guy is probably as powerful as Zeno.

Hakai legit deletes your body, spirit and soul.

Even Beerus one shot him, Hakais him, seals him into a toilet LOL

Eh? Of course Darsh can kill Beerus and Whis, since both doesn´t have any answer against his BS curse. Let´s say Beerus or Whis are using Hakai against Darsh, both are getting destroyed on a physical and spiritual level, while Darsh regenerate from the Astralplane. The Astralplane exist beyond the space-time continuum structure, it is like Beerus destroyed the universe and Darsh still regenerate, since his astral existence isn´t bound by the universe.

Zamasu his immortality and regeneration is below Darsh his astral existence, since it is bound by space and time.

Beerus destroys the human soul without powers dr Mashirito had to turn into a cyborg and at the end of Dr.Slump he became almost completely a robot due to losing parts of his body after suffering damage, Mashirito is killed at the end of the manga.

Dr Mashirito is not a gag character!

cyborg Mashirito

You don't even need Hakai.

Whis doe not have to destroy anything outside the physical plane :) and Whis would even survive that, cuz he's immortal :) :) :)

But Goku would probably die :(

Most here legit never read bastard haha.

Still waiting for any arguments, how Whis can kill Darsh his astral-plane.

Wow.

I legit feel bad for DS.

Whis has so many ways to destroy him: Hakai, sealing, nuke his universe (Gokus ki was threatening to destroy the other world, which is the same as DS verse), or if I'm remember correctly, it's enough to destroy 1 plane of the verse, because they require each other.

If I remember correctly, the ghosts of Goten or buuhan were made of the same stuff found in ghosts/spirits, so a KI user can destroy them or even hurt (?) them. So maybe whis could do some crazy stuff with KI manipulation... Lol.

Whis five shots.

DS shield is good VS guys who can one shot him, but thats it.

Judas priest won't do shit, it's just a blast and Whis can dodge that with ez... Even easier with MUI.

He can tank absolute zero with ez.

Poor DS :((

Is this still open? Hakai doesn´t work against immortals, and not against higher dimensional concepts. Even Zeno can´t erase Darsh his astral plane from existence, since it exist beyond time and space. The only advantage that Whis has, are his stats, but Darsh oneshots with Bloodstone… oh sorry, it is more like Whis oneshots himself, when he try to kill Darsh. Other then him and most DB characters, Darsh has a really competent regeneration + immortality. Imagine, how Whis is trying to kill Darsh via atomize him, at the end Whis atomize himself, while Darsh regenerate complete.

Darsh neg diffs that fodder, unless Whis has shown more feats and abilities, that may more useful against him.

@varricpatermann said:

Is this still open? Hakai doesn´t work against immortals, and not against higher dimensional concepts. Even Zeno can´t erase Darsh his astral plane from existence, since it exist beyond time and space.

What the hell are you talking about Zeno could definitely erase him for good his power literally erases everything universes including the physical plane, astral plane, and spiritual plane he wiped out the multiverse with a wave of his hands

Pls stop bumping this Missmatch.

I already heard from my redditt and quora boys, that DS is super overrated here.

If we use Bastard!! Logic, Goku alone already reached the th dimension.

In the next few months/years we will learn more about KI manipulation and I'm sure that even guys like Gohan could trash DS.

I think even Krillin could stomp him by the end of this year, cuz he already destroyed Astral enemies with the mix of his mind and KI.

Dark schneider wins this fight indirectly already done several times. DS cannot be killed by these aliens full of limitations and weaknesses.

Goku(DBS) gets beaten all the time Moro in H2H humiliated this shit ...

There is no logic behind this wank/ headcanon, nobody wants to read more about invented feats, powers and powerscalle

Dragon ball is not overpower just accept!

Dark schneider wins

The astral/spirit in DB and the astral plane in Bastard!! is complete different. While the spirit world is part of the universe in DB and bound by time and space, the astral plane in Bastard!! is a higher concept, outside of time and space.

Body, Spirit and Soul in Bastard!! are in complete different dimensions, and to kill Darsh you have to erase him on all 3 different planes complete from existence. If you fail, he regenerate complete.

We know the fact that Hakai can´t kill Immortals (Stated by Beerus) and proven by Goku his try to kill Zamasu with Hakai, who regenerate after the successful attack.

Unfortunately, Hakai is the only ability that can do something to a relevant degree to kill Darsh on two planes of existence. Still not enough to affect the third plane. Even Zeno can´t erase Darsh from a technical point of view, by feats.

@drunkhc: look at this dumb troll once again. All you do is post scans every post . freaking crybaby

Darshe outhaxxes Whis in Majin form (Whis also has no way to kill him on all three planes of existence) and straight up overpowers and no-diffs him as DKL.

Whis would still put up a MUCH better fight than the vast majority of DB characters though.

Bloodstone + eternal atoms

Whis gets curb stomped DB characters usually don't do well against hax characters but Whis may be hiding powerful abilities but as for now he simply loses.

not sure how darsh winning. whis blitzes and seals him away via either the technique which he cites is superior to mafuba, or into his sealed staff dimension, or just universe busts to bypass eternal atoms.

Whis seals the majority of DS ability leaving only his eternal atom ability since Whis can't really access the astral plane. Than BFR to end the match. Bloodstone won't really do anything since the angels can't be destroyed by anything less than zeno level existent erasure. Although, Whis can't kill DS due to his EA, DS has no way to win this match.

Whis, easily.

Whis oneshots, then BFR him or seals him... Darsh is fodder to him and only his immortality via EA keeps him alive. Bloodstone won't work on an Angel by default. Also, the Astral Plane should reside in the universe, Whis can just destroy it as a whole.

BFR him

I'm guessing this is DKL DS. DKL is connected to all dimensions

seals him

With what? I haven't watched Dragonball in a while

Darsh is fodder to him and only his immortality via EA keeps him alive.

Eh DS could use Time stop and then use Testament that is absolute zero ice and freezes you at the sub-atomic level

Bloodstone won't work on an Angel

Got proof? Bloodstone ignores durability and reflects all damage done to DS back at his opponent with the same intensity.

If Whis needs to, he can bust the universe alongside the Astral Plan and it's gg.

Has Whis bust a 4D dimension?

DS eternal atoms, dispel bound gg. There's no way Whis can destroy DS but the opposite is not true.

@dkl-atoms: He doesn't need to. Dash only resides there. DBS characters have been shown to bust far more universes than Dash even has access to. The Astral Plane essentially functions the same way as Heaven in DB.

Hakai destroys Spirit, Soul, and Body in DB verse. Why does Bastard logic apply in this fight, and DB doesn't?

@grandtoaa: I'm a bit behind on DBS manga but when did Whis use Hakai?

Because they are both a complete different system and are not comparable in terms of function. Heaven in DB is far away from the astral world in Bastard based on dimensionality working and connection to the material world.

However, like i said in one other topic, i see Whis having a better/more realistic chance then the non-angel fraction from DBS. Time stop against Whis shouldn´t work, he also isn´t affected by space-time and probably can´t die. I mean, sure Darsh can hit him with other hax, but Whis is too fast. Too much fast, that he can statue DS. I don´t know what Whis his full potential is, but i think he wins this battle against Darsh. Someone like Whis also should have the potency to affect space-time, since he can at least manipulate it to a certain degree. I can agree with Whis as a winner. It is even questionable if Bloodstone can work against Whis, because existence outside beyond the universe should grand some kind of acausality, which can possible give a reason for immunity against spatial hax/curses like Bloodstone.

No, it isn't. It only is by your downplay of DB.

@eredin12: Yeah I change my mind Whis wins

Hell, SSG Goku beats Dash.

@eredin12: lol at universal+ darsh. he isn't baseline universal let alone universal+, and low multi galaxy at most.

@eredin12: that is not the case at all and is a headcanon/fanfic, or maybe people do not know that context is without reading the manga. it supposedly place big bang level energy to escape alcatraz yes, but darsh never did it like that.

but yes, darsh was trapped alcatraz space which has god’s light and take the power of the Big Bang to breach. however, while abigail and lucifer thought DS was in alacatraz, satan had honnected Hell to alcatraz's space to get ds and drag him to hell. not to mention, the dimensional barrier =/= god's sealed dimension anyways.

the black abyss at is the center of the galaxy which is essentially a black hole and the gate to hell but it does not require Big Bang level energy to breach hell.

multi galaxy level for darsh is solely speculative too, no concrete feats at all put darsh at that level, and his best objective is judas pain being stated to have a power to destroy a galaxy.

anyways far weaker characters than the likes of whis still blink darsh.

They are. That hasn´t change before and hasn´t change yet. Still, i give Whis the W here

EDIT: I still don´t get why are people downplaying the Bastard cosmology.

That´s because they don´t waste their time outside of their DB bubble. But yes, Whis stomps.

We're not. The DB cosmology is what is being downplayed.

Darsh can't do anything to Whis no matter what he does

Pls stop wanking Darsh this absurdly it's 2021. He got left in the dust 6 years ago with BoG.

Whis solos the verse.

The physical/spiritual/astral worlds in bastard are clearly separated from one another. With that being said, aren't both spiritual and astral planes in the same dimension (since only the body is 3d while the soul and astral forms transcend space and time, which is surprisingly considered 3d in-verse)? Whis does have 4d ap though, so this doesn't really matter much. Yes, Whis stomps for many reasons. Since when/how is the DB cosmology being downplayed?

Because they like to act like you can just walk to the After Life. Like it's bound by the same rules as the living world.

@ssjbatdan: but you CAN just walk into the after life...

No, you can't.

It isn´t downplayed. People just don´t understand that they can´t equalize the spirit worlds in Bastard with heaven from DB for obvious reasons(There are even more and higher worlds then the astralworld itself, but Darsh never archive it)

The astral plane in Bastard is:

- Abstract/non material plane

- A place beyond space-time

- A higher dimension

A soul has a different frequency and is more a part of both dimensions. While human beings have a body and soul, angels and demons have a soul and a spirit. A "physical" body cames just into existence, the moment those angels, or demons entering the material realm. Dark Schneider used a lot of spells to trap the soul from Demons within the 3-D world, while the astral plane does not exist in the 3-D world.

However, that alone isn´t enough against an angel, who should be acasual to the laws of the space-time continuum. There is no ability from Darsh that should work against an angel like Whis afaik.

@caocao: But the astral plane is 4d right?

@ssjbatdan Whis wins. It's just that eternal atoms is a regen technique on 2 different planes of existence ( 3d/4d, as the astral plane is 4d, the body is 3d and the soul belongs to both.)