he couldn't handle lower tier, and now you want to set him up against Whis lol, did you just create this thread to wake up @thedarpaladin from his seasonal Majin Buu sleep xd.
@easterlin74: it’s everyone on this website in a nutshell each time when dragon ball gets a new hax,statement or hax they literally start lowballing and underestimating them hell super Shenron is the prime example of this.
@caocao: all gods of destruction's are fodder to Angels except for Beerus his "Hakai" so there you got your feats keep lowballing lol.
And to be above the Gods of Destruction, let he beat Darsh, because.....?
Again, there is no Answere against his Hax. You need more then raw "Power" to beat Darsh. There is the Question which Hax Whis has? He has a bit Time-Rewind-Powers, can resurrect People, and a bit of his Magic. That is all we know. There is nothing what has shown to kill Darsh. We don´t know the full Potential of the Angels, so we can only speculate if he has the Abilities or not.
I don´t see lowballing. I see one charakter with many feats against one charakter who hasn´t much. I see two charakters who are 3-D, so none of them is higherdimensional or unbound by Time and Space. Yes, Whis should be more powerfull then Darsh, but that is in no point relevant.
@caocao: lame come back post #29 is the argument. and you have notjing to disprove Whis being Superior to Darsh. you can't disregard the fact Whis gets scaled from others as simply not his feats. When everything points to Whis being superior to Gods of destruction's in every way lol.
Angels > God´s of Destruction. Correct, but that isn´t an Argument to beat Darsh. The Angels are faster, stronger, and in other points above the God´s of Destruction. Doesen´t change the fact they can destroy Darsh his eternal Atoms, or get hit by a Curse? No.
and you have notjing to disprove Whis being Superior to Darsh.
You should read what i edited before:
"Yes, Whis should be more powerfull then Darsh, but that is in no point relevant." Power, Speed, etc. means nothing against someone who can regenerate on 3 Planes of Existance and it doesen´t even relevant against Hax. What should Whis do? Punched Darsh trough the area?
you can't disregard the fact Whis gets scaled from others as simply not his feats. When everything points to Whis being superior to Gods of destruction's in every way lol.
Right, Whis is via Powerscaling above The Gods of Destruction and above Darsh. But sadly that isn´t enough to kill Darsh, until the Angels are still 3-D Charakters and bound by the same Space-Time concept as Darsh.
So i still waiting since 3 posts for some relevant reason, why Whis should beat Darsh? Darsh still has his Bloodstone. Stalemate or Darsh via Hax. They are the only two possibilities, except you have one point that i forgot. DC isn´t enough.
Also you should be careful with testify like "Fanboy" or "Wanker". It´s not my fault that someone make this match and by the way most vote in favor of Darsh. I respect you oppinion, but don´t call me Fanboy if you don´t bring some relevant points.
Dragonball needs to be banned from Battle forums PERIOD. Sorry to all DB fans who actually know how to properly debate against other Anime, but the amount of wanking and flame wars has extended past DB vs Comics into DB vs Anything.
Darsh should stomp due to hax. Whis has no answer or counter for any of his abilities at all. Darsh is, in quite simple words, way too versatile for Whis to handle.
(Angels > God´s of Destruction. Correct, but that isn´t an Argument to beat Darsh. The Angels are faster, stronger, and in other points above the God´s of Destruction. Doesen´t change the fact they can destroy Darsh his eternal Atoms, or get hit by a Curse? No.)
Aye mate. Can you enlighten me more about darshus curse.
("Yes, Whis should be more powerfull then Darsh, but that is in no point relevant." Power, Speed, etc. means nothing against someone who can regenerate on 3 Planes of Existance)
To be fair,hakai erases physically and spiritually. Precisely an existence erasure. He/she wouldn't have existed. A common logic that applies to existence erasure btw.
( and it doesen´t even relevant against Hax. What should Whis do? Punched Darsh trough the area?)
What kind of hax do you think darsh could maneuver to put down whis fast enough?
(Right, Whis is via Powerscaling above The Gods of Destruction and above Darsh. But sadly that isn´t enough to kill Darsh, until the Angels are still 3-D Charakters and bound by the same Space-Time concept as Darsh.)
This actually in a way, means nothing. Average human saints from ss has fought and bypassed Olympian gods and changed their destinies. Darshus concept revolves around a single space time continuum if I'm not wrong. Fine,he has some astral existence that transcends 3 astral planes but lets not forget it revolves around a single construct. While i see where you're coming from,whis is also an angel that has access to every timeline within the entirely of the dbs verse.
(So i still waiting since 3 posts for some relevant reason, why Whis should beat Darsh? Darsh still has his Bloodstone. Stalemate or Darsh via Hax.)
Cool,what does the blood stone do? I'm currently reading bastard again to get some few things. I'm actually at the BoS.
(They are the only two possibilities, except you have one point that i forgot. DC isn´t enough. )
You're actually right. Though,whis is well multi universal via scaling though. Its not like ds has an answer to every abstract DC in fiction. A case could be made about whis not operating on an high end DC level that could take out darsh though. That said,a one or two answer can still be made.
(Angels > God´s of Destruction. Correct, but that isn´t an Argument to beat Darsh. The Angels are faster, stronger, and in other points above the God´s of Destruction. Doesen´t change the fact they can destroy Darsh his eternal Atoms, or get hit by a Curse? No.)
Aye mate. Can you enlighten me more about darshus curse.
("Yes, Whis should be more powerfull then Darsh, but that is in no point relevant." Power, Speed, etc. means nothing against someone who can regenerate on 3 Planes of Existance)
To be fair,hakai erases physically and spiritually. Precisely an existence erasure. He/she wouldn't have existed. A common logic that applies to existence erasure btw.
( and it doesen´t even relevant against Hax. What should Whis do? Punched Darsh trough the area?)
What kind of hax do you think darsh could maneuver to put down whis fast enough?
(Right, Whis is via Powerscaling above The Gods of Destruction and above Darsh. But sadly that isn´t enough to kill Darsh, until the Angels are still 3-D Charakters and bound by the same Space-Time concept as Darsh.)
This actually in a way, means nothing. Average human saints from ss has fought and bypassed Olympian gods and changed their destinies. Darshus concept revolves around a single space time continuum if I'm not wrong. Fine,he has some astral existence that transcends 3 astral planes but lets not forget it revolves around a single construct. While i see where you're coming from,whis is also an angel that has access to every timeline within the entirely of the dbs verse.
(So i still waiting since 3 posts for some relevant reason, why Whis should beat Darsh? Darsh still has his Bloodstone. Stalemate or Darsh via Hax.)
Cool,what does the blood stone do? I'm currently reading bastard again to get some few things. I'm actually at the BoS.
(They are the only two possibilities, except you have one point that i forgot. DC isn´t enough. )
You're actually right. Though,whis is well multi universal via scaling though. Its not like ds has an answer to every abstract DC in fiction. A case could be made about whis not operating on an high end DC level that could take out darsh though. That said,a one or two answer can still be made.
Wow man touching story on your opinion on Whis but here we discuss feats and Darsh stomps.
@caocao: one day you will comprehend more ki >>> hax. that is what dragonball has been about since the very beginning.
Ok, i accept the logic, but Hax they can bypassed by physical power isn´t realy that sort of Hax that i know. Hax shouldn´t have Limits, except in the dimensional scale. I respect Whis his Power and maybe he has the Abilities or Hax to kill Darsh. But at the point don´t see how. Dragonball is more a full potential fighter verse and non of the Bastard!! Verse can fight on the same Level. But we can´t ignore the Hax of the Verses, only they a "weak" compared to Dragonball. That is way to easy in my oppinion. Hax shouldn´t be underestimated, only one charakter hasn´t the same Destruction Potential like the others.
Aye mate. Can you enlighten me more about darshus curse.
Of course, sir. Darsh possesses one powerfull curse that works like a Damagedivider. Bloodstone is Darsh his Curse-Spell and he used it in his DKL Mode against a full Power Augoeides Uriel in a fight. The Spell create a cursed space which all damage dealt to him will be reflected to his opponent with the same intensity. For example. If Darsh get attacked with Hakai, then the Hakai User takes the same Damage. He don´t get hit by the Abilitie, he get hit by the same Damage.
To be fair,hakai erases physically and spiritually. Precisely an existence erasure. He/she wouldn't have existed. A common logic that applies to existence erasure btw.
That is correct, but i remember Darsh get already erased by the side effects of Judas Pain. Body and Soul was destroyed and Darsh still cames back. That is the reason, why i don´t think Hakai works against Darsh, because the 3 Planes are to specific. Also i wonder if Whis can use the Destruction Power, because they have so far as i know other Laws, like the Kaioshin has to create and the GoD to destroy. I think that is a GoD Power and Candidate to be came the next GoD like Toppo.
What kind of hax do you think darsh could maneuver to put down whis fast enough?
Whis is is in my oppinion much faster then Darsh, but with Bloodstone it doesen´t matter how fast you are if the Space is infected by the Curse. Attacks like Giran Ira, Judas Priest and Black Sabbath should be dangerous too for Whis but i don´t think they are fast enough and Whis isn´t stupid enough to try tank this Spells.
This actually in a way, means nothing. Average human saints from ss has fought and bypassed Olympian gods and changed their destinies. Darshus concept revolves around a single space time continuum if I'm not wrong. Fine,he has some astral existence that transcends 3 astral planes but lets not forget it revolves around a single construct. While i see where you're coming from,whis is also an angel that has access to every timeline within the entirely of the dbs verse.
You´re right, i don´t say Darsh is a higherdimensional Charakter. The dimensional Planes are bound by one Space-Time-Continuum, so someone like Zeno should erased him without trouble. By the way, most of the Saints (Even Hades) isn´t higherdimensional. The only higherdimensional Beings in SS are Zeus, Cronos and some other Gods.
I don´t know that Whis can access to every timeline, so he can theoretical kill Darsh in the Past?
Cool,what does the blood stone do? I'm currently reading bastard again to get some few things. I'm actually at the BoS.
It was chapter 131. Darsh activatet his Bloodstone, and they attacks eachother again. Uriel takes the same Damage that Darsh takes.
I like the Art Style.
You're actually right. Though,whis is well multi universal via scaling though. Its not like ds has an answer to every abstract DC in fiction. A case could be made about whis not operating on an high end DC level that could take out darsh though. That said,a one or two answer can still be made.
I totaly agreed, but the abstract DC should be named, or should be comprehensibly. The only point i don´t going with Whis is still, that we don´t have enough informations. Whis is as i said before more powerfull then Darsh, but we can´t ignore his Eternal Atoms and his Hax at some Point. Darsh isn´t a Charakter with Hax that can be killed with a Punch or an Ki Attack. He is a Low Godly-Regenerator and can only killed if you destroyed every single Atom on 3 planes of existance on the same Time. If Darsh don´t hit with his Spells and Whis don´t attack him if Bloodstone is activatet, then i don´t see a Winner.
(Of course, sir. Darsh possesses one powerfull curse that works like a Damagedivider. Bloodstone is Darsh his Curse-Spell and he used it in his DKL Mode against a full Power Augoeides Uriel in a fight. The Spell create a cursed space which all damage dealt to him will be reflected to his opponent with the same intensity. For example. If Darsh get attacked with Hakai, then the Hakai User takes the same Damage. He don´t get hit by the Abilitie, he get hit by the same Damage.)
Seems like a high end hax. Though,its not actually completely perfect since he receives that said damage himself. Its not like he's exempted from the effects of the attacks tossed at him. Thanks for the enlightenment though.
(That is correct, but i remember Darsh get already erased by the side effects of Judas Pain. Body and Soul was destroyed and Darsh still cames back. That is the reason, why i don´t think Hakai works against Darsh, because the 3 Planes are to specific.)
Actually,hakai doesn't just attack/destroy the physical and spiritual concept of a being,it was stated to have the potency to operate on an existence erasure level. What am saying is it doesn't just attack the body and soul.
(Also i wonder if Whis can use the Destruction Power, because they have so far as i know other Laws, like the Kaioshin has to create and the GoD to destroy. I think that is a GoD Power and Candidate to be came the next GoD like Toppo.)
He's beerus teacher though. I consider hakai as ultra instinct which he has been teaching to beerus. Its not like beerus was born to be in possession of the god of destruction abilities. Whis is his teacher for a reason.
(Whis is is in my oppinion much faster then Darsh, but with Bloodstone it doesen´t matter how fast you are if the Space are infected by the Curse.)
Fair enough.
( Attacks like Giran Ira, Judas Priest and Black Sabbath should be dangerous too for Whis but i don´t think they are fast enough and Whis isn´t stupid enough to try tank this Spells.)
Yeah,i think so too.
(You´re right, i don´t say Darsh is a higherdimensional Charakter. The dimensional Planes are bound by one Space-Time-Continuum, so someone like Zeno should erased him without trouble. By the way, most of the Saints (Even Hades) isn´t higherdimensional.)
Glad we could establish this.
(The only higherdimensional Beings in SS are Zeus, Cronos and some other Gods.)
Yeah. Like i said,the average human saints could go toe to toe with the Olympian gods. Said Olympians who bored the concept of creation/existence if humanity like okeanos for example.
(I don´t know that Whis can access to every timeline, so he can theoretical kill Darsh in the Past?)
After the future timeline was destroyed. An alternate timeline was made which he suggested trunks and mai should return to. Krillin had doubts about that because he felt they would have to battle zamatsu once again. Whis stated he shouldn't worry because he would go to that said timeline and meet its alternate beerus,to basically relay the scheme that was to occur with zamatsu once again. This is different from his average time manip ability.
(It was chapter 131. Darsh activatet his Bloodstone, and Uriel attacks him.)
That's some op hax.
(I like the Art Style.)
That's what i like about bastard. The intensity at its showing.
(I totaly agreed, but the abstract DC should be named, or should be comprehensibly. The only point i don´t going with Whis is still, that we don´t have enough informations. Whis is as i said before more powerfull then Darsh, but we can´t ignore his Eternal Atoms and his Hax at some Point. Darsh isn´t a Charakter with Hax that can be killed with a Punch or an Ki Attack. He is a Low Godly-Regenerator and can only killed if you destroyed every single Atom on 3 planes of existance on the same Time. If Darsh don´t hit with his Spells and Whis don´t attack him if Bloodstone is activatet, then i don´t see a Winner.)
Seems like a high end hax. Though,its not actually completely perfect since he receives that said damage himself. Its not like he's exempted from the effects of the attacks tossed at him. Thanks for the enlightenment though.
Well it is how Bloodstone works. Darsh is the medium in the cursed space. All Damage he takes, takes the User.
It works well, because Darsh his Regeneration Level is low-godly. For Example:
Beerus Hakai´s Darsh, he takes the same Damage. If Darsh dies, he dies to. It isn´t the Hakai what Beerus takes, it is the Damage.
Other Example: Piccolo vaporized Darsh, then Piccolo get vaporized too and Darsh cames back, because you have destroy him on every Plane of Existance.
That´s the tricky system behind Darsh. You destroy or erased Body and Soul from Darsh, you Body and Soul get erased too.
By Whis, we don´t even know if he has a Regeneration-Power.
Actually,hakai doesn't just attack/destroy the physical and spiritual concept of a being,it was stated to have the potency to operate on an existence erasure level. What am saying is it doesn't just attack the body and soul.
Yeah, i remember. Well, in Dragonball we only knows the both Parts Body and Soul. In Bastard it takes 3 different Places with total different ways how it works. Darsh has an Existence Erasure Power too, named Judas Priest. But i don´t think it can erase someone what has more then 3 different planes of Existence. Darsh has by the way a high Ressistance against Existence Erasure, because the Side-Effect of Judas Pain works instant. He lost more and more from his Existence in the fight against Uriel. Later he resurrect, even Judas Pain destroy all Planes of him. By statements from the Manga he is immortal, but that are only statements from two charakters. He becames somenew Powers with his new Form like Creation and Copy Abilities from other Mangas (But here, we have only the Sharingan as Example)
He's beerus teacher though. I consider hakai as ultra instinct which he has been teaching to beerus. Its not like beerus was born to be in possession of the god of destruction abilities. Whis is his teacher for a reason.
I know, but if i remember right it was Whis who said that is the "Destruction Power". Correct me if i am wrong.
The Position as an Angel is hard to decide. They don´t destroy, they don´t create. They act upon the Wishes of God or in this Situation "Zeno". So maybe he can use Hakai if he wish, but we don´t have the guarantee. We don´t have even much background information how Whis trained Beerus, or Toppo becames the Power of Destruction.
Yeah. Like i said,the average human saints could go toe to toe with the Olympian gods. Said Olympians who bored the concept of creation/existence if humanity like okeanos for example.
Yeah, but Saint Seiya has some different type of logic by this way. The average human saints could go toe to toe, because they going with the greek mythology, where are humans became Gods, or are protectet by Gods.
After the future timeline was destroyed. An alternate timeline was made which he suggested trunks and mai should return to. Krillin had doubts about that because he felt they would have to battle zamatsu once again. Whis stated he shouldn't worry because he would go to that said timeline and meet its alternate beerus,to basically relay the scheme that was to occur with zamatsu once again. This is different from his average time manip ability.
Hmm... sounds legit. I don´t only know how that should be kill Darsh. If he can go back to the past, then he oneshots Darsh.
That's some op hax.
He has many type of hax, but most of them aren´t fast enough, so they shouldn´t be relevant.
That is the problem with Dark Schneider. Even if someone is faster then him, it isn´t still enough because at this point he has some Protection with Dispel Bound and for the critical Hits the Eternal Atoms. So, first you have destroy all Shields at the same time and then you have only one second to erase Darsh. If the Hax not fast enough, he regenerate because Dispel Bound protect many typs of Powers, like Reality Warp, Instant Kills, etc. You can say Eternal Atoms and Dispel Bound works perfect together, so it is very difficult to beat Darsh, even if you stronger, faster and has more Durability.
I hope the Bastard!!-Manga becames new chapters, because his Adam of Darkness Form don´t have many feats.
That's what i like about bastard. The intensity at its showing.
Well, it that is more relevant for me then the Story :D
Also bfr is allowed for victory, could whis dimension dump darsh like he did to goku and vegeta casually?
Hmm... i wonder if Darsh can escape, because Darsh leap with Giran Ira through dimensions. By the way, Giran Ira can BFR Attacks from the enemy.
Btw. the same he did with the Exodus-Light Wing-Jawbreaker Combo, but here breaks trough the Dimensions.
Also whis states he knows a very very powerful sealing technique far stronger than the mafuba.
Good question. I think it is dependent from the Type of Sealing. Sealing in another Dimension should be difficult, because Giran Ira. Sealing techniques like Mafuba should be more effective, but needed to much time. A sealing technique that separates the Body, Soul and Mind in different Dimensions (I mean such kind of Sealing-Technique exist in Saint Seiya) should be works 100%.
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