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Rules:

Vampire characters (including the Originals, newborns, and fodders) only

Unarmed only

Win by Knockouts or any means

Fight takes place at the fight club

In character

Comment what you think any characters that the Harlem hero can handle?

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#2 Edited by EmpressOfDread (12298 posts) - - Show Bio

Physically not many.

any means

Since its win by any means, they most likely compel him for the win and most vampires win by that tactic.

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#4 Posted by assemblesquad (2530 posts) - - Show Bio

Physically not many.

any means

Since its win by any means, they most likely compel him for the win and most vampires win by that tactic.

What if it's a physical fight without prep and tactics?

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#5 Posted by Aristeaus (739 posts) - - Show Bio

Being bulletproof only gives him piercing durability and some blunt force durability. Any vampire in the series is capable of throwing a man sized target across the room. That sort of force is enough to seriously injure, and even kill Luke eventually.

Bushmaster was able to do this with much less force generated.

This is not even counting the insane speed advantage all vampires have against him.

The only hope he would have is against a newborn, untrained vampire.

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#6 Posted by EmpressOfDread (12298 posts) - - Show Bio

@empressofdread said:

Physically not many.

any means

Since its win by any means, they most likely compel him for the win and most vampires win by that tactic.

What if it's a physical fight without prep and tactics?

Well, you made it win by any means, so there's the argument which is 100% valid.

I don't think they can beat him physically. They can blitz him but he can tank all their hits.

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#7 Posted by EmpressOfDread (12298 posts) - - Show Bio

Being bulletproof only gives him piercing durability and some blunt force durability. Any vampire in the series is capable of throwing a man sized target across the room. That sort of force is enough to seriously injure, and even kill Luke eventually.

Bushmaster was able to do this with much less force generated.

This is not even counting the insane speed advantage all vampires have against him.

The only hope he would have is against a newborn, untrained vampire.

Luke cage can tank all their hits unless they strike harder than MCU Iron First.

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Not only that, casual non-chi based hits from MCU Iron Fist KO people in one shot.

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#8 Posted by Hypnos0929 (6319 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say any decent witch since most can cause internal pains easily.

Of the vampire race, only an original family member, Marcel or Lucian. Marcel and Lucian both have their bites and the family can't die.

No werewolves I know of can beat him, though I've only seen the originals so there could be more

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#9 Edited by Aristeaus (739 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke cage can tank all their hits unless they strike harder than MCU Iron First.

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Not only that, casual non-chi based hits from MCU Iron Fist KO people in one shot.

Are you trying to say that Bushmaster hits harder then Iron Fist with Chi? Cause... luls.

Any vampire is able to hit way harder then Bushmaster, and they are far far FAR faster.

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#10 Posted by assemblesquad (2530 posts) - - Show Bio

@hypnos0929: Can their bites pierce through Luke's skin?

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#11 Posted by EmpressOfDread (12298 posts) - - Show Bio

@empressofdread said:

Luke cage can tank all their hits unless they strike harder than MCU Iron First.

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Not only that, casual non-chi based hits from MCU Iron Fist KO people in one shot.

Are you trying to say that Bushmaster hits harder then Iron Fist with Chi? Cause... luls.

Any vampire is able to hit way harder then Bushmaster, and they are far far FAR faster.

What?? He tanked it 2 times. In the same series.

So unless you have feats for vampires striking then we have something to talk about.

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#12 Posted by Emperorb777 (10883 posts) - - Show Bio

Well Luke can take any of the Vampires that aren't ancient or Original tier.

None of the wolves stand a chance.

Sirens and Silas stomp

Devil stomps

Competant witches stomp

Elana stomps

Hunters get stomped

Can't think of anyone else.

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#13 Posted by Hypnos0929 (6319 posts) - - Show Bio

@assemblesquad: tough to say, Marcel and Lucian were essentially unstoppable in fights. Marcel said he could kill Elijah, Rebekah, Cole, Klaus and Freya all at the same time and no one questioned it. Canonically Lucian should be the superior of the two beings due to his status as the first ever turned vampire.

Vampires don't really bite anything other than vampires so I'm not sure. I mean we often see them rip each other's hearts out and worse, Klaus once punched a woman's head clean off.

Though if all else fails his eyes could torn out.

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@Aristeaus said:

Are you trying to say that Bushmaster hits harder then Iron Fist with Chi? Cause... luls.

Any vampire is able to hit way harder then Bushmaster, and they are far far FAR faster.

What?? He tanked it 2 times. In the same series.

So unless you have feats for vampires striking then we have something to talk about.

Keep ignoring the fact that he got smashed by Bushmaster. Two Chi Feats from two heroes who arent trying to really hurt eachother, vs Bushmaster whose strikes are way weaker and getting stomped out.

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#15 Posted by diydeath (2372 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke woukd stop at Stephen and whatevwr his brothers name was, they alone have enough strength and speed to eventually cause internal injuries.

Anyone above mid tier vampires is physicals would decimate Luke.

Humans are all screwed and witches are all screwed (with H2H only). Werewolves probably wouldn't do well unless they were a hybrid.

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#16 Posted by X_insignia1 (1865 posts) - - Show Bio

A double juiced Bushmaster knocked down a resin lined door that could withstand a nuclear blast. We've seen vamps easily restrained by chains and steel cages. Luke could most likely break out of those. Are we forgetting that he tanked an RPG and 18 wheeler explosion without a scratch? In addition, he casually knocks out folks by tapping them on their heads. I'd say he easily has the strength advantage.

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#17 Posted by Rustlingjimmy (1053 posts) - - Show Bio

A double juiced Bushmaster knocked down a resin lined door that could withstand a nuclear blast. We've seen vamps easily restrained by chains and steel cages. Luke could most likely break out of those. Are we forgetting that he tanked an RPG and 18 wheeler explosion without a scratch? In addition, he casually knocks out folks by tapping them on their heads. I'd say he easily has the strength advantage.

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#18 Posted by diydeath (2372 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_insignia1: Those chains were always coated in a herb or they were injected with a herb which doesn't kill vampires but significantly weakens them.

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#20 Posted by EmpressOfDread (12298 posts) - - Show Bio

@empressofdread said:
@Aristeaus said:

Are you trying to say that Bushmaster hits harder then Iron Fist with Chi? Cause... luls.

Any vampire is able to hit way harder then Bushmaster, and they are far far FAR faster.

What?? He tanked it 2 times. In the same series.

So unless you have feats for vampires striking then we have something to talk about.

Keep ignoring the fact that he got smashed by Bushmaster. Two Chi Feats from two heroes who arent trying to really hurt eachother, vs Bushmaster whose strikes are way weaker and getting stomped out.

Keep ignoring the fact that he tanked hits from MCU Iron Fist, 2 times, Rand is an angry guy, he wasn't holding back.

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#21 Posted by ourmanuel (9378 posts) - - Show Bio

He could stomp most werewolves and vampires.

the problem would be the old vampires like the originals and the trinity members. There’s also the heretics and sirens too.

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#26 Posted by MyLittleFascist (31109 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus said:
@empressofdread said:

Luke cage can tank all their hits unless they strike harder than MCU Iron First.

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Not only that, casual non-chi based hits from MCU Iron Fist KO people in one shot.

Are you trying to say that Bushmaster hits harder then Iron Fist with Chi? Cause... luls.

Any vampire is able to hit way harder then Bushmaster, and they are far far FAR faster.

What?? He tanked it 2 times. In the same series.

So unless you have feats for vampires striking then we have something to talk about.

Honestly, Bushmaster harming Luke Cage has always felt more outlierish than Luke Cage tanking IF's hits. I mean... I know Bushmaster is supposed to be a Luke Cage villain and is supposed to be able to harm him, but Bushy's feats outside of direct combat with Cage are, by and large, incredibly underwhelming.

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#27 Posted by Kal-Elol (330 posts) - - Show Bio

He can take any human (including hunters) and probably all the wolves, but the vamps and the witches have too many ways to win.

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#28 Posted by Rockette (5274 posts) - - Show Bio

@kal-elol said:

He can take any human (including hunters) and probably all the wolves, but the vamps and the witches have too many ways to win.

Sounds about right. ^^

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#29 Edited by assemblesquad (2530 posts) - - Show Bio

@kal-elol: Will he stand a chance against newborn vamps? and it does not include witches in this thread.

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#30 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (3753 posts) - - Show Bio

He could stomp most werewolves and vampires.

the problem would be the old vampires like the originals and the trinity members. There’s also the heretics and sirens too.

His showings against Electra someone who‘s barely superhuman were horrible i’d say any decent Vampire would put him down. The Mikaelsons would be spite.

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#31 Posted by Kal-Elol (330 posts) - - Show Bio

@assemblesquad: Ohhhhh, seems I skimmed over that part lol. From what I recall, most newborns were pretty weak with exception of a few high showings. Luke should be able to incap them. (I don't think he'd try to kill them "in character") Any vamp that knows how to hypnotize auto wins, though. The Originals (and Marcel & Lucian) whoop him physically and mentally.

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#32 Edited by assemblesquad (2530 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest: Can the Mikaelsons replicate Luke's durability feats and can they punch through his harden skin? Kol was knocked out from being burned.

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#33 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (3753 posts) - - Show Bio

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Yes they can replicate every feat i can recall from Luke and Elijah’s first feat was smacking off a 500+ year vampires heads off i don’t see why they would have any promblem with his durability especially since he’s been put down by peak level humans like Electra and when was Kol knocked out by being set on fire? Rebekka who’s around Kols level tanked a building level explosion in season 5.

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#34 Posted by Aristeaus (739 posts) - - Show Bio

Can the Mikaelsons replicate Luke's durability feats and can they punch through his harden skin? Kol was knocked out from being burned.

Elijah tanked a house explosion. But, their durability is not the issue. They will never get hit.

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#36 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (3753 posts) - - Show Bio

@assemblesquad:

That was the white oak stake the only way to kill an original. That’s no regular fire.

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#38 Edited by TheOneWhoPullsTheStrings (2064 posts) - - Show Bio

@assemblesquad:

The only ones I can think of are some werewolves, provided they aren't more experienced ones on the full moon - in which case, they might still overpower Luke. He gets an easy win vs human hunters.

Many of the witches are D caliber, only able to do some basic movement or other sorts of spells - like early TVD Bonnie. Luke would be more than a match to be able to win that. However, there isn't a way he goes up against even a mid-tier or upper tier witch and wins. They will spin him about and throw him across the room in magical telekinesis, or just render him asleep or a number of other spells some witches have done from time to time. Like a magically induced brain aneurysm.... Which has happened, and Luke would have no defense against.

As for vampires - maybe only a very unexperienced young vampire. They make a dumb mistake, luke takes advantage and gets the drop for the critical strike... But I can't see a competent vampire of any age from 10 years to beyond losing (an original, or a Strix 1000 year old vampire is way overkill). Almost all of them will have greater or at worst equal strength to Luke - but what's worse... Luke will be hopelessly outclassed in speed. Remember, only a 150 year old vampire in Damon - sprinted across an entire town in less than 1.5 seconds in what it took for Elana to finish her sentence over the phone with him on. They are hypersonic creatures at a lower vampire age, Luke has no chance if he doesn't have a massive durability and strength advantage - which he definitely does not, not even close. And this is without things like compulsion.

What about some of the other weird oddities?

I think the succubus sent after some of the originals in the TVD days would beat Luke. I think Silas or some of the other mind controlling oddities stomp. The Devil definitely stomps. The Sirens wreck. The heretics completely outclass him - but then again, most competent witches or vampires did anyway, and this is just a merger of those concepts.

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#39 Posted by TheOneWhoPullsTheStrings (2064 posts) - - Show Bio

He could stomp most werewolves and vampires.

How? Most vampires are hypersonic, and move at blur speeds easy, posses strength equal or greater than luke - and have high durability to, even if not as high as Luke. The mere fact of the speed differential means to me that there is definitely no Luke stomping of 'most vampires'. But I would be inclined to give you the werewolves though, except for some of the competent ones on a full moon speed and strength buffs - which I think it becomes far more questionable, and a good fight.

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@hypnos0929: Can their bites pierce through Luke's skin?

I don't think they need to. That does become a question though. Given the fact we see from luke cage and several other things like the shotgun to the head - we know that high enough blunt force trauma hurts Luke. The vampires will more than easily be able to provide enough damage that way.

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@theonewhopullsthestrings: Can he dismantle the vampire fodders?

No. I mean, unless they are all like freshly turned and/or just make a bunch of dumb errors and plot give it to luke. A group of vampire fodders are still waaaay faster, about as strong, and only slightly less durable. A group of fodders, I don't think would be fair to him at all.

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#44 Edited by TheOneWhoPullsTheStrings (2064 posts) - - Show Bio

@assemblesquad:

Elijah probably won't do that much damage with that to Luke, no. Much of that was glass and shrapnel - and Luke Cage is bulletproof. The only reason I think the vampires in question were in major danger was because the windows shattered and they were exposed to the sun.