Which shonen characters can defeat iihiko shishime(Medaka Box)?

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Iihiko’s abilities:

Omni-Weapon Proficiency: Iihiko's proof of worth. He can use almost any object in the enviroment as a weapon, and use it to an incredibly effective degree. He was able to pick up Zenkichi's glasses, and use it with such skill that he was able to match Medaka in close combat. He can use the air itself as a weapon, or grab a still living person on the battle field and use them with almost perfect skill. He managed to take a rubber band, and bisect Ajimu in a single shot. His ability to wield almost anything as a weapon is tied in with his other ability, Irreversible Destruction, as all of them take on the same properties, with almost all of them seemingly bypass durability. How he chooses his weapons is not clear and seemingly arbitrary to an on looker, but he can apparently distinguish the most effective weapon for the given situation, and find which tool is most compatible with his powers.

Subjective Immunity: That which Iihiko does not recognize, does not effect him. While Iihiko is incredibly durable, that is not what makes him so hard to kill. It is the combination of the defensive aspect of Irreversible Destruction and this ability that makes him borderline invincible. Making Iihiko recognize attacks is incredibly difficult. When kicked in the face, he perceived it as nothing more than a mosquito bite. Even if an attack is powerful enough to damage him, it does not mean it will effect him. He was stabbed full of swords, but perceived it as no more than acupuncture, so he took no meaningful damage despite the sword sticking into him. He was struck with massive bolts of electricity, but he perceived it as nothing more "Low Grade Electra-Shock Therapy," so it dealt no damage and only managed to relax him. He does not seem to recognize Abnormalities or Minuses at all, and as such he is not effected by them. It is unclear if it is a product of this ability or Irreversible Destruction, but he can also seemingly ignore defensive abilities that he does not recognize as well. If one can manage to make Iihiko recognize an attack, then he must defend. However, an enemy may be better off if he did not recognize their techniques to begin with, as the alternative can be far worse.

Irreversible Destruction: Any damage Iihiko deals to the world does not heal; Shiranui states he was a man born to destroy the world. Whether natural or skill based, Iihiko's actions cannot be recovered from. That includes even unconventional ways of healing such as Kumagawa’s All Fiction. However, the true horror of this ability manifests itself in the defensive application; the stronger an attack used against him, the further the attack itself will be "broken", and never return to normal. An arm used to punch him will be permanently broken, and superpowers will often become unusable. He will also no longer recognize any ability or technique previously used against him as an attack, so even if the power is somehow still functional after being used on him, it will not effect him anyway. However, if Iihiko is defeated, then the damage will become reparable.

Supernatural Luck: All Abnormals have this to an extent, but due to his "Hero" status, Iihiko dwarfs theirs by a vast margin, despite not being an Abnormal himself. Another "Hero," Medaka, is capable of easily manifesting one in a million chances and guessed the next combination of the door which has a 1 in a trillion chance of happening, stated to be able to pull it off a million times in a row, far superior to all other abnormals who pass through the same door on a daily basis, causing all dice she rolls to stack on top of each other and helping her to win elections. Heroes can have enemy's attacks miss vital areas, be spared by the whim of enemies, and come up with winning strategies in a pinch. The world revolves around them, causing events to flow somewhat analogous to a narrative, with Iihiko's version being most similar to that of a classical Fairy Tale. However, as a Fairy Tale "Hero," Iihiko can lose this status by performing sufficiently 'unheroic' deeds.

Possession: Upon Iihiko's death, he can transfer his consciousness and abilities into the body of a fully-prepared or in-training Shiranui village backup. However, this is more of a function of Shiranui Village wanting to preserve unusual existences like Iihiko, Shiranui Village could end up wanting to preserve someone else or not wanting to preserve anyone, depending on the circumstances around Iihiko. On top of this, if there aren't any suitable backups prepared, he likely wouldn't be able to possess anyone.

Rules: cosmology/speed equal

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Yhwach

Your next line is "But he used all his power to merge a single hill"

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God Sinbad, maybe?

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#4  Edited By Bossmountain

Goku.

Dude was impressed by medeka standing up and performing a basic afterimage despite receiving serious injuries allowing her to bypass he selective immunity.

Because the guy could not help but feel impressed by it

Goku's techniques to blow his mind.

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Iihiko’s powers are like Touma’s imagine breaker in terms of negating power and Accalerator in terms that skills/attacks don’t work.

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@renegadism: what can sinbad do to counter Iihiko’s irreversible destruction?

Can he use his sacred palace to view iihiko as fiction? Plus does Sinbad have a higher degree of power nullification/fate manipulation?

Conventional attacks don’t work on iihiko since he doesn’t recognize them. Iihiko can negate immortalities/regenerations/durability, plus he can “break” attacks if he saw them twice.

In the manga, only styles, like Zenkichi’s contradictory conjunction can defeat iihiko.

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#7  Edited By RENEGADISM

@dakakami:

I think God Sinbad's power largely comes from the depth of Magi cosmology and his existence as a higher-dimensional being. If you don't equalize cosmology, for the most part I think that he would just be able to ignore Iihiko's powers and resistances in their entirety. In this situation, I'd imagine he just existence wipes him.

You could argue this about any character that just operates on an infinite multiversal+ scale. They're just so much grander on a cosmic level in comparison to the entire Medaka Box verse that they will naturally ignore powers and immunities themselves. Yogiri Takatou and Akuto Sai are some examples of that.

If you do equalize cosmology, it becomes a little bit more complicated for Sinbad. I'd imagine he just removes his powers via reality warping or some similar workaround like that; I say this because he would have to impress Iihiko in order for his abilities to get through his subjective immunity. He would want to use what he has at his disposal to come up with a loophole or an unconventional solution.

Iihiko forces characters on or around his level to be clever, which I have to give him credit for.

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#9  Edited By RENEGADISM

@dakakami:

I don't know Medaka Box very well, but I do think it's notable that he kicked Ajimu's ass. People say often that there's a whole lot of NLF in Medaka Box and therefore they dismiss the idea that a lot of the characters in it can fight against people like the popular isekai protags or whatever, or dragon ball high tiers/composites. It's hard for me to place where he stands.

As a suggestion, you may want to add "cosmology equalized / neutral for all characters" so that people don't come in and say that their recommended character just stomps him due to being infinite multiversal / 11-D etc etc.

I think Iihiko deserves at least that, because the nature of his immunity requires his opponents to do more than just have heavy firepower.

(On a related note to answer your earlier questions, yes, Sinbad can just view Iihiko as fiction if he wants, and his power nullification and fate/plot manip is potent enough that he can ignore his immunity. That's what I mean. It's an answer to your question, but it's a boring answer.)

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Magiverse: Solomon, Sinbad, David, Ugo

Medakaverse: Medaka Kurokami, Ashinshin(if she wasn't equalized to the narrative)

Tenchi-Muhyo: Kami-Tenchi

Any character from Umineko(if u consider it a shonen)

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Iihiko subjective immunity and irreversible destruction seem like a power null and rimuru and naofumi both have resistance to the highest level of power null so I think they can win against iihiko

(I used rimuru and naofumi because both are also considered shonen)

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No one can beat Iihiko Shishime. He's too strong, too fast, too much everything for any single character to handle on their own. Even though if you are Sinbad, Lucifer Morningstar, Featherine, TOAA, or even Azathoth. They simply can't do anything to iihiko. Omnipotence doesn't mean anything to iihiko since he transcends that.

Omnipotence means he’s all-powerful, having all the power that it is capable for any being to have. Infinite power. So, what would it then mean to transcend that? It would mean to make himself weaker. Since he’s powerful enough to do anything, I suppose he could do that but it would be a one-off deal. In other words, if God chose to make himself as weak as a flea then he wouldn’t be able to come back from this because to do so (become God again) would mean that the loss of power was merely illusory to begin with.

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No one in fiction can defeat iihiko shishime

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Iihiko can destroy all of ficiton and real life. He is beyond the author .

SCP is fanficiton

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Yogiri and rimuru stomp

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Kenzo.

Goku.

Anybody from the HST.

Nagsia.

Kagami.

Riku.

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Goku, Naruto, Ichigo, etc.

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No one in ficiton can defeat our savior, Iihiko Shishime

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Naruto and Ichigo could easily do it.

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Every character from Fairy Tail.

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By Shounen everyone who is above basic causality manipulation and/or limited soul manipulation. Medaka Box has no answer against it. Even against Time manipulation, they have trouble.

Too many characters can defeat Iihiko from the Shounen genre.

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Iihiko kills everyone in fiction and he is above real life

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Lol at Naruto, Goku, and Ichigo affecting Iihiko.

Iihiko can harm transcendent beings, non-existent beings, non-corporal beings, concepts beings on a boundless level.

No hax in fiction can reach Iihiko

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#35  Edited By Morningstar999

Goku oneshots the fodder

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Ten Ten oneshots this fodder

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Lol gets begged by kiba

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No one.

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Guess who's back, back again...

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So much for some fodder scared of a moon falling..

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Lmao..... wtf is this?

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