Which MCU Avenger Could React To This?

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casual lightning timer feat

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No proof that that blast was actual lightning speed.

But it's still pretty fast. And the impressive part about Darla is that she ran a full round instead of just dodging it.

Looks like the speed of things Thor has reacted to, at least.

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No Avenger is reacting to it.

@gateofbabylon: The things Thor reacted to may look visually just as fast but that doesn't mean they are as things are often slowed down / sped up to make them clear to see. And why wouldn't that Lightning Blast be as fast as Lightning?

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Thor and Thanos could dodge or block it , possibly Cap could react and block it with his shield? Possibly Iron Man he’s dodged artillery and beams often?

QS obviously.

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Like GOB said, we don't know that it's actual lightning.

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Why would this be lightning speed?

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Why would this be lightning speed?

Why wouldnt this be lightning speed? Its a blast of lightning, unless its contradicted by something later on i dont see why its not lightning speed

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If that was lighting speed Billy would have gone to space when he was flying faster than it but it didn't happen.

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@mattyboi: Because "lightning" is very common in fiction, but it's not natural lightning speed. Unless you think street levellers can time natural lightning.

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@mattyboi: Because "lightning" is very common in fiction, but it's not natural lightning speed. Unless you think street levellers can time natural lightning.

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@subline: Is there something you feel the need to say?

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@mattyboi: Because "lightning" is very common in fiction, but it's not natural lightning speed. Unless you think street levellers can time natural lightning.

Can you prove its not normal lightning.

Unless you think street levellers can time natural lightning.

I dont think street levelers are punching people through buildings... and that has nothing to do with speed, speedsters exist for a reason.

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@mattyboi:

I was not referring to Shazam and his fam as street levellers. I was referring to the fact that in many fictional universes, so called "lightning" can consistently be timed by people not above the supersonic range.

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Not real lightning unless you count whatever the hell Zeus was doing as lightning too. His was just a different color.

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@mattyboi:

I was not referring to Shazam and his fam as street levellers. I was referring to the fact that in many fictional universes, so called "lightning" can consistently be timed by people not above the supersonic range.

Its only not real lightning or can be considered an outlier if its proven wrong by something afterwards, if not its safe to say its actual lightning till proven wrong.

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Most Avengers can.

Aim dodge his arm moving up to fire, even Hawkeye can do that.

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Spider man solo by spider sense.

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Lol, Anthp is such a meme.

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Thor already has feats like this

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@mattyboi said:
@anthp2000 said:

@mattyboi:

I was not referring to Shazam and his fam as street levellers. I was referring to the fact that in many fictional universes, so called "lightning" can consistently be timed by people not above the supersonic range.

Its only not real lightning or can be considered an outlier if its proven wrong by something afterwards, if not its safe to say its actual lightning till proven wrong.

Well it doesn't go as fast as real lightning. Thor's lightning is more real than this.

OT:

Thor's dodged faster energy attacks then whatever the hell that was supposed to be. Chitauri blasts, Sceptre blast, etc.

And if MoS Kryptonians are supersonic, then Thor's reactions are, too. Sonic booms of Malekith's are evident - reject both or reject none.

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@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@anthp2000 said:

@mattyboi:

I was not referring to Shazam and his fam as street levellers. I was referring to the fact that in many fictional universes, so called "lightning" can consistently be timed by people not above the supersonic range.

Its only not real lightning or can be considered an outlier if its proven wrong by something afterwards, if not its safe to say its actual lightning till proven wrong.

Well it doesn't go as fast as real lightning. Thor's lightning is more real than this.

Can you prove its not as fast as real lightning?

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@mattyboi said:
@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@anthp2000 said:

@mattyboi:

I was not referring to Shazam and his fam as street levellers. I was referring to the fact that in many fictional universes, so called "lightning" can consistently be timed by people not above the supersonic range.

Its only not real lightning or can be considered an outlier if its proven wrong by something afterwards, if not its safe to say its actual lightning till proven wrong.

Well it doesn't go as fast as real lightning. Thor's lightning is more real than this.

Can you prove its not as fast as real lightning?

Well, the return stroke of a lightning bolt is at max half as fast as a speeding photon. At minimum a tenth. So yea, I think I can.

Qualitatively, the thing goes from sky to ground before we can react. Sivana's bolt doesn't compare.

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@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@anthp2000 said:

@mattyboi:

I was not referring to Shazam and his fam as street levellers. I was referring to the fact that in many fictional universes, so called "lightning" can consistently be timed by people not above the supersonic range.

Its only not real lightning or can be considered an outlier if its proven wrong by something afterwards, if not its safe to say its actual lightning till proven wrong.

Well it doesn't go as fast as real lightning. Thor's lightning is more real than this.

Can you prove its not as fast as real lightning?

Well, the return stroke of a lightning bolt is at max half as fast as a speeding photon. At minimum a tenth. So yea, I think I can.

Qualitatively, the thing goes from sky to ground before we can react. Sivana's bolt doesn't compare.

Because it was slowed down so the audience could see it?

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Ant man or wrasp solo.

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@mattyboi said:
@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@anthp2000 said:

@mattyboi:

I was not referring to Shazam and his fam as street levellers. I was referring to the fact that in many fictional universes, so called "lightning" can consistently be timed by people not above the supersonic range.

Its only not real lightning or can be considered an outlier if its proven wrong by something afterwards, if not its safe to say its actual lightning till proven wrong.

Well it doesn't go as fast as real lightning. Thor's lightning is more real than this.

Can you prove its not as fast as real lightning?

Well, the return stroke of a lightning bolt is at max half as fast as a speeding photon. At minimum a tenth. So yea, I think I can.

Qualitatively, the thing goes from sky to ground before we can react. Sivana's bolt doesn't compare.

Because it was slowed down so the audience could see it?

I mean the distance it traveled. That's not 100 feet. It's not 1000 feet. It's not 10000 feet. A lightning bolt would surpass all those feets.

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@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@anthp2000 said:

@mattyboi:

I was not referring to Shazam and his fam as street levellers. I was referring to the fact that in many fictional universes, so called "lightning" can consistently be timed by people not above the supersonic range.

Its only not real lightning or can be considered an outlier if its proven wrong by something afterwards, if not its safe to say its actual lightning till proven wrong.

Well it doesn't go as fast as real lightning. Thor's lightning is more real than this.

Can you prove its not as fast as real lightning?

Well, the return stroke of a lightning bolt is at max half as fast as a speeding photon. At minimum a tenth. So yea, I think I can.

Qualitatively, the thing goes from sky to ground before we can react. Sivana's bolt doesn't compare.

Because it was slowed down so the audience could see it?

I mean the distance it traveled. That's not 100 feet. It's not 1000 feet. It's not 10000 feet. A lightning bolt would surpass all those feets.

It literally hit something, which is why it stopped traveling, similar to when a lightning bolt stops when it hits the ground.

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@mattyboi said:
@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@anthp2000 said:

@mattyboi:

I was not referring to Shazam and his fam as street levellers. I was referring to the fact that in many fictional universes, so called "lightning" can consistently be timed by people not above the supersonic range.

Its only not real lightning or can be considered an outlier if its proven wrong by something afterwards, if not its safe to say its actual lightning till proven wrong.

Well it doesn't go as fast as real lightning. Thor's lightning is more real than this.

Can you prove its not as fast as real lightning?

Well, the return stroke of a lightning bolt is at max half as fast as a speeding photon. At minimum a tenth. So yea, I think I can.

Qualitatively, the thing goes from sky to ground before we can react. Sivana's bolt doesn't compare.

Because it was slowed down so the audience could see it?

I mean the distance it traveled. That's not 100 feet. It's not 1000 feet. It's not 10000 feet. A lightning bolt would surpass all those feets.

It literally hit something, which is why it stopped traveling, similar to when a lightning bolt stops when it hits the ground.

Within a single second. How far do you think it would travel in two seconds, or three, or ten? Real lightning is so fast that it doesn't really matter how much reasonable leeway I should give Sivana's feat, but considering that we are saying it is FTLning, I shouldn't give it leeway at all.

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@mattyboi:

I see where your coming from, but do you think Thor can react to it?

Shouldnt the standard you apply to DCEU lightning apply to MCU lasers?

Like the lasers are just slowed down for the audience to see, but their actually light speed?

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Now this isnt something I believe, I tend to ignore the special effect...lightning, laser, plasma ect. and just measure distance traveled vs time.

But if we are going to apply your standard I think we should do it across the board.

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@mattyboi:

I see where your coming from, but do you think Thor can react to it?

Shouldnt the standard you apply to DCEU lightning apply to MCU lasers?

Like the lasers are just slowed down for the audience to see, but their actually light speed?

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Now this isnt something I believe, I tend to ignore the special effect...lightning, laser, plasma ect. and just measure distance traveled vs time.

But if we are going to apply your standard I think we should do it across the board.

Question: When did anyone in the mcu react to lasers, i dont remember tbh

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I don't believe in the idea of using visual speed as justification for discrediting the speed of lightning from a lightning user. Not a single character blasts lightning at actual lightning speeds based on that. I find it best to see if it gets an anti feat, or the character who dodged it gets one. So far all we have is that the movie goes out of their way to show Darla (the one known for her speed) dodging lightning.

By this logic, DCEU Kryptonians aren't supersonic because we can see them fight.

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@mattyboi said:
@death4bunnies said:

@mattyboi:

I see where your coming from, but do you think Thor can react to it?

Shouldnt the standard you apply to DCEU lightning apply to MCU lasers?

Like the lasers are just slowed down for the audience to see, but their actually light speed?

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Now this isnt something I believe, I tend to ignore the special effect...lightning, laser, plasma ect. and just measure distance traveled vs time.

But if we are going to apply your standard I think we should do it across the board.

Question: When did anyone in the mcu react to lasers, i dont remember tbh

Didn't Thor do to Vision? Might have been deleted.

Thor reacted to Destroyer's lasers.

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@rajjar said:
@mattyboi said:
@death4bunnies said:

@mattyboi:

I see where your coming from, but do you think Thor can react to it?

Shouldnt the standard you apply to DCEU lightning apply to MCU lasers?

Like the lasers are just slowed down for the audience to see, but their actually light speed?

----------

Now this isnt something I believe, I tend to ignore the special effect...lightning, laser, plasma ect. and just measure distance traveled vs time.

But if we are going to apply your standard I think we should do it across the board.

Question: When did anyone in the mcu react to lasers, i dont remember tbh

Didn't Thor do to Vision? Might have been deleted.

Thor reacted to Destroyer's lasers.

IIRC those were fire blasts

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@mattyboi said:
@death4bunnies said:

@mattyboi:

I see where your coming from, but do you think Thor can react to it?

Shouldnt the standard you apply to DCEU lightning apply to MCU lasers?

Like the lasers are just slowed down for the audience to see, but their actually light speed?

----------

Now this isnt something I believe, I tend to ignore the special effect...lightning, laser, plasma ect. and just measure distance traveled vs time.

But if we are going to apply your standard I think we should do it across the board.

Question: When did anyone in the mcu react to lasers, i dont remember tbh

Like here.

Thor jumps does a flip and redirects this hydra blast back into the shooter.

I wouldn't call this laser light speed.

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@boc said:

I don't believe in the idea of using visual speed as justification for discrediting the speed of lightning from a lightning user. Not a single character blasts lightning at actual lightning speeds based on that. I find it best to see if it gets an anti feat, or the character who dodged it gets one. So far all we have is that the movie goes out of their way to show Darla (the one known for her speed) dodging lightning.

By this logic, DCEU Kryptonians aren't supersonic because we can see them fight.

But if Thor dodged Aether tendrils that made a sonic boom like Faora in combat, does Thor get a reaction feat and Faora a combat speed feat that's above Mach 1?

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@mattyboi said:
@death4bunnies said:

@mattyboi:

I see where your coming from, but do you think Thor can react to it?

Shouldnt the standard you apply to DCEU lightning apply to MCU lasers?

Like the lasers are just slowed down for the audience to see, but their actually light speed?

----------

Now this isnt something I believe, I tend to ignore the special effect...lightning, laser, plasma ect. and just measure distance traveled vs time.

But if we are going to apply your standard I think we should do it across the board.

Question: When did anyone in the mcu react to lasers, i dont remember tbh

Like here.

Thor jumps does a flip and redirects this hydra blast back into the shooter.

I wouldn't call this laser light speed.

Those blasts were moving at the speed of bullets...

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I see where your coming from, but do you think Thor can react to it?

Shouldnt the standard you apply to DCEU lightning apply to MCU lasers?

Like the lasers are just slowed down for the audience to see, but their actually light speed?

----------

Now this isnt something I believe, I tend to ignore the special effect...lightning, laser, plasma ect. and just measure distance traveled vs time.

But if we are going to apply your standard I think we should do it across the board.

As I said above, I find anti-feats more accurate than visual speed. MCU lasers have been dodged by Hawkeye and have been seen to be equally spaced by Black Widow's bullets, which would be my basis for discrediting them being lightspeed.

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@rajjar said:
@boc said:

I don't believe in the idea of using visual speed as justification for discrediting the speed of lightning from a lightning user. Not a single character blasts lightning at actual lightning speeds based on that. I find it best to see if it gets an anti feat, or the character who dodged it gets one. So far all we have is that the movie goes out of their way to show Darla (the one known for her speed) dodging lightning.

By this logic, DCEU Kryptonians aren't supersonic because we can see them fight.

But if Thor dodged Aether tendrils that made a sonic boom like Faora in combat, does Thor get a reaction feat and Faora a combat speed feat that's above Mach 1?

I'm confused at the question. If Thor dodged something that's mach 1 or higher, of course we attribute him with that level of reaction.